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Mysterious Cyprus Plane Crash Similar to General Zia Crash
2005-08-16
Googling to find any similar events to the Cyprus plane crash, I found precisely one, the crash that killed General Zia of Pakistan. In 1988 General Zia's plane flew out of a clear blue sky straight into the ground.

Vanity Fair ran an in depth article the next year and here is the interesting bit.

Having ruled out all the mechanical malfunctions that could cause a C-130 to fall from the sky in that manner, the American team left it to the Board to conclude "the only other possible cause of the accident is the occurrence of a criminal act or sabotage leading to the loss of control of the aircraft".

This conclusion was reinforced when an analysis of chemicals found in plane's wreckage, done by the laboratory of Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco in Washington, found foreign traces of pentaerythritol tertranitrate (PNET), a secondary high explosive commonly used by saboteurs as a detonator, as well as antimony and sulfur, which in the compound antimony sulfide is used in fuses to set off the device. Using these same chemicals, Pakistan ordinance experts reconstructed a low-level explosive detonator which could have been used to burst a flask the size of a soda can which, the Board suggested, probably contained an odorless poison gas that incapacitated the pilots.

But this was as far as the Board of Inquiry could go. It had not had autopsies done on the remains of the crew members to determine if they were poisoned. It acknowledged in its report that it lacked the expertise to investigate criminal acts. What was needed was criminal investigators and interrogators. It thus recommended that the task of finding the perpetrators by turned over to the competent agency, which meant, as one of the investigators explained to me, Pakistan's intelligence service--the ISI.

I also spoke to an American chemical warfare expert about poison gases that could have been used. He explained that Chemical agents capable of knocking a flight crew, while extremely difficult to obtain, are not beyond the reach of any intelligence service, or underground group with connections to one. He also pointed out that a gas capable on insidiously poisoning a whole flight crew (and leaving the pilot's fingers locked on the radio switch) had been used in neighboring Afghanistan. According to the State Department's special report 78 on "Chemical Warfare in Southeast Asia and Afghanistan," which he sent me, corpses of rebel Muejadeen guerrillas were found still holding their rifles in firing positions after being gassed. This showed that they had been the victims of "an extremely rapid acting lethal chemical that is not detectable by normal senses and that causes no outward physiological responses before death." This gas manufactured by the Soviet would have done the trick. But so would American manufactured "VX" nerve gas, according to a scientist at the U.S. Army chemical warfare center in Aberdeen, Maryland. "VX" is odorless, easily transportable in liquid form, and a soda-sized can full would be enough, when vaporized by a small explosion, and inhaled, to causes paralyzes and loss of speech within 30 seconds. According to him, the residue it would leave behind would be phosphorous. And, as it turned out, the chemical analyzes of debris from the cockpit showed heavy traces of phosphorous.
Posted by:phil_b

#11  BTW, the media is reporting it will take 2 weeks to do the toxicology tests. That's complete BS. Testing for poisons (non-biological) should only take a few hours at most. The authorities will know by now, if they were poisoned and by what.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-08-16 20:26  

#10  I'm getting burned out with all the speculation. I think I will wait on National Geographic's "Moments from Disaster" episode to come out. If anybody can solve this disaster, its the "Big Bang" theorists at NG.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2005-08-16 16:08  

#9  The Payne Stewart crash was sudden decompression. This was definitely not sudden decompression (despite the media speculation). Its either carbon monoxide in the AC or deliberate poisoning. I'll wager the authorities know already and the fact they haven't announced says its poisoning.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-08-16 15:56  

#8  Update: Pilot 'alive when plane crashed'
Posted by: Rafael   2005-08-16 14:39  

#7  Latest coroner reports say that most passengers were still alive (read heart and lungs working) when the plane hit ground.

That would exclude frozen bodies. You can't have it both ways.

The SMS about the "freezing" were fake.
Posted by: True German Ally   2005-08-16 13:28  

#6  Didn't the latest crash indicate that some passengers were frozen and that the pilot and copilot were slumped over? Maybe I'm off here but it sounds similar.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2005-08-16 13:03  

#5  That would be the 1999 crash of a Learjet carrying golfer Payne Stewart. In the Stewart crash, investigators concluded that crew members were incapacitated because they didn't obtain oxygen when the cabin lost pressure.
Posted by: Steve   2005-08-16 11:18  

#4  There was some famous golfer's jet a few years ago that ran out of air and didn't respond and the windows were iced over and they either shot it down or debated it. This sounds like the same thing.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2005-08-16 11:01  

#3  oops. sorry. Don't know what happened there! link

Posted by: 2b   2005-08-16 08:33  

#2  here's a new tidbit:
Coroner: 6 Alive When Greek Plane Crashed
NewsMax.com Wires
Tuesday, Aug. 16, 2005
ATHENS, Greece - At least six of the 121 people aboard a Cypriot plane were alive when the aircraft crashed while on autopilot, a coroner said Monday, as authorities raided the airline's offices and struggled to explain the actions of the pilot and crew.

The results of the first six autopsies shed some light on the final minutes of Helios Airlines Flight ZU522, which crashed Sunday into a hillside in suburban Athens, killing all 115 passengers and six crew members. But they failed to answer all the questions.
Posted by: 2b   2005-08-16 08:32  

#1  very interesting.
Posted by: 2b   2005-08-16 08:08  

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