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Italy to expel 700 terrorist suspects
2005-08-16
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Key points:
• Italy has arrested 141 suspected Islamic militants, with more to follow
• 32,000 questioned after introduction of new anti-terrorist laws last month
• Still unknown what action against terrorism Britain is to take

Key quote
"We remain worried. It would be absolutely foolish for me or anybody else to say that we have eliminated the risk. We have not. There is no particular intelligence that we are addressing, but we are working on the basis that the people who organised these attacks could proceed with other attacks as well." - CHARLES CLARKE, (UK) HOME SECRETARY


Story in full: ITALIAN security forces have arrested more than 100 suspected Islamic militants and plan to expel hundreds more in Europe's most sweeping counter-terrorism operation, officials revealed yesterday. The decisive Italian action immediately turned a renewed spotlight on Britain's security operation in the wake of the London attacks, which has been criticised for lacking focus and direction. While Italy has speedily enacted new anti-terror laws, the British government is still consulting on new rules. In the meantime, a number of ad hoc government measures - including charging extremist preachers with treason and "rebranding" British Muslims - have been floated then embarrassingly buried.

As Italian security chiefs released their assessment that the country faces a serious threat of terrorist attacks, the British government said it "remained worried" about more attacks following two bomb attacks in London last month. In all, 141 people have been arrested, most of them in a series of raids in the 48 hours between 12 August and 13 August. In total, Italian police, intelligence and customs agents have questioned more than 32,000 people during the swoop.

The focus of attention was internet cafes, call centres, money transfer bureaus and halal butchers as well as other focal points of Italy's Muslim community.

Two people were held for being in possession of false documents under tough new anti-terrorist laws brought in last month. Others were held for a number of minor offences. The Ministry of the Interior said none of those arrested had actually been charged with terrorist activity. The Italian parliament earlier this month passed legislation that has drawn criticism from civil liberties groups. The new laws make it easier to detain people for suspected terrorism and give police greater power to control internet sites and tap telephone calls. Announcing details of the nationwide sweep, Giuseppe Pisanu, the Italian interior minister, said the country faces an "elevated terrorist threat" in following the attacks on London and Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt last month. Mr Pisanu also described how security had been increased around more than 13,000 so-called "sensitive targets" mainly airports, train stations, ports but also including museums, art galleries, embassies and places where large crowds gather.

Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, yesterday said the investigation into the London attacks - dubbed "the biggest murder inquiry in British history" by police - is a vital part of preventing more attacks. "We remain worried," said Mr Clarke after meeting senior police officers at Scotland Yard. "It would be absolutely foolish for me or anybody else to say that we have eliminated the risk. We have not. There is no particular intelligence that we are addressing, but we are working on the basis that the people who organised these attacks could proceed with other attacks as well." Despite that threat, Mr Clarke admitted he could not say when ten Islamic preachers accused of promoting extremist values would be expelled from Britain as all are appealing against the move.
Sigh.
Even the case of the one alleged radical to be barred from Britain, Omar Bakri, has been marred by government indecision. Just days before the government move to prevent him from re-entering Britain, John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister, appeared to rule out such a move.
Posted by:Seafarious

#9  RC

The myth of the moderate Muslim has yet to be substantiated. I personally don't believe in it; I think the vast majority of Muslims quietly rejoice in the terror. We have nothing to lose by making them realize that mass expulsion is a real and dire danger. If they prove to be afraid of it, then we get a large number of informers who will blow the whistle on the jihadis at the drop of a hat. If they don't, and we do deport them, they're gone and the terror threat from Muzzy fanatics becomes exponentially less dangerous.
It's a win-win situation for the West. Look at where these people came from. What they know and respect is force. They mistake kindness for weakness. We in the West need to make certain they understand they are here only on sufferance and that their permission to stay is absolutely and definitively contingent on the peaceful behavior of ALL their coreligionists. They would understand this--that's how it's done in Muzzy countries, as you well know. These folks play by Hama Rules; deportation is a kiss on the cheek compared to that.
Posted by: mac   2005-08-16 22:02  

#8  Seafarious, if you use Firefox, there's a BugMeNot extension you can install that will automatically "handle" registrations with just a right-click and a BugMeNot click. Extremely handy.
Posted by: Darrell   2005-08-16 13:39  

#7  Better yet let them swim
Posted by: Thavick Clese8558   2005-08-16 13:32  

#6  Seafarious:

Try www.bugmenot.com to overcome compulsory registration porcesses.

Ummm, is there any chance these guys will be deported via Greek airliners that occasionally lose cabin pressure?
Posted by: The Angry Fliegerabwehrkanonen   2005-08-16 07:50  

#5  When are we going to realize that a simple, credible threat of mass Muzzy expulsion would have those at risk of being thrown out running like scalded dogs toward any LEO they could find the nanosecond they heard ANY rumor about Muzzy violence.

There is no evidence of that.

I'm beginning to think it would have the opposite effect, in fact.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-08-16 07:43  

#4  Remember after 9/11 when all adult Muslim males from certain countries were required to register? There was a series of articles about how entire families that were in the U.S. illegally fled to Canada or back home. As I recall, they were camped out at Canadian border crossings for days, waiting to go across. NPR did long reports about how unfair it was that these good, but illegal, citizens were being forced to abandon everything. And other reports about how many of those who did go to register discovered themselves to be illegal, and were arrested by the INS upon handing in their paperwork, to languish in INS prisons for months and years, unknown to the outside world or their families.

It occurs to me to wonder how many potential attacks and Al Qaeda cells were disrupted by this. And, how many others decided to move from active to tacit support, or even non-support.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-08-16 07:42  

#3  When are we going to realize that a simple, credible threat of mass Muzzy expulsion would have those at risk of being thrown out running like scalded dogs toward any LEO they could find the nanosecond they heard ANY rumor about Muzzy violence. We THINK their old homes are hellholes. They KNOW it--and the vast majority damn sure don't want to go back there under any circumstances, much less a forced deportation stripped of assets. Run 'em in just one country; the rest will get the message in a BIG hurry.
Posted by: mac   2005-08-16 05:39  

#2  I hate to say it, working in London and all, but it's going to take a lot more than 50 deaths on the tube before British politicians & society at large wake up to threat from within and decide to do away with the frills of a civilised society - such as the Human Rights Act / immigration law. God, even the Italians are ahead of us in the game. 'Sigh' indeed.
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-08-16 05:31  

#1  Figure this out folk. We are going to have to fight this on our and and against the will of the majority of our own people most likely.

We can't wait or depend on others before we do what needs to be done. Our political leadership is failing us. When the supporters and fellow travelers of the Islamo-Fascists use our own law couts and media against us we fight with a disadvantage. One we need to abandon.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom   2005-08-16 00:49  

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