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Cloned Puppy
2005-08-04


HT Drudge

South Korean researchers are reporting today that they have cloned what scientists deem the most difficult animal, the dog.

The group worked for nearly three years, seven days a week, 365 days a year and used 1,095 eggs from 122 dogs before finally succeeding with the birth of a cloned male Afghan hound. The surrogate mother was a yellow Labrador retriever.

Dogs have such an unusual reproductive biology, far more so than humans, scientists say, that the methods that allowed cloning of sheep, mice, cows, goats, pigs, rabbits, cats, a mule, a horse and three rats, and creation of cloned human embryos for stem cells, simply do not work with them.

Woo Suk Hwang, the principal author of the dog cloning paper, being published in the journal Nature, wrote that the puppy, an identical twin of the adult Afghan but born years later, was delivered by Caesarean section on April 24. The pregnancy lasted a normal 60 days and the newborn pup weighed 1 pound 3.4 ounces and was named Snuppy.

Not Snoopy. The scientists named him for Seoul National University puppy.

Cloning researchers were awed at the achievement, but not everyone shared their admiration.

Nigel Cameron, a bioethicist at Chicago-Kent College of Law and director of its Institute on Biotechnology and the Human Future, noted some people see dogs as members of the family. "There's sort of a dry run here for the human cloning debate," he said. "What we do with dogs we may well end up doing with our kids."

Dr. Cameron said he objected to cloning dogs, but not farm animals or laboratory rodents. He said he did, however, oppose all human cloning, including cloning human embryos for stem cells.

The reason that other researchers are so impressed, said Mark E. Westhusin, a cloning researcher at Texas A&M University, is that with dogs, "their reproductive biology makes them a nightmare." Cats, in what might seem a turnabout, are biologically much less finicky.

Dr. Westhusin cloned the first cat, in 2002, on his second try. But, he said, after trying for a few years to clone a dog, "I quit."

His work with cats and dogs was sponsored by a private company, Genetic Savings & Clone of Sausalito, Calif. Its chief executive, Lou Hawthorne, said the company had spent seven years and more than $19 million in its attempts to clone a dog. It just opened a lab in Madison, Wis., with 50 employees. But, so far, no dogs have been cloned.

Other researchers say dog cloning is so hard, they will not try it. George E. Seidel Jr. of Colorado State said Genetic Savings & Clone approached him and "I refused." As for the South Koreans, who succeeded in what is the Mount Everest of cloning, it was "simply a heroic effort, a brute force heroic effort," Dr. Seidel said.

Snuppy is the second coup this year for the Seoul researchers. In May, Dr. Hwang's lab announced that it had created cloned human embryos and extracted stem cells from them. The dog project is separate, and its goal, Dr. Hwang explained in an e-mail message, is to use dogs to study the causes and treatment of human diseases.

Dogs have long been used to study human diseases. Rabies, in fact, was first discovered in dogs, insulin was discovered in dogs, and the first open heart surgery was in dogs. Eventually, the team hopes to make dog embryonic stem cells and test them in the animals as treatments.

Dogs presented a number of challenges to the researchers. Ovulation is once or twice a year, but not predictable, and no one has found a way to induce ovulation by giving dogs hormones.

Eventually, the South Koreans discovered, through trial and error, a signature spike in the hormone progesterone that signaled ovulation.

With other animals, scientists collect mature eggs from ovaries, but the eggs dogs ovulate are immature. They mature in the oviduct and so far it has proved impossible to extract eggs from a dog's ovary and mature them in the laboratory.

So the researchers had to pinpoint when to pluck a mature egg from the oviduct, and needed surgery to retrieve it, instead of the kind of needle suctioning used in other animals.

The next step in cloning of any other animal is to replace the egg's genes with those of an adult and let the cloned embryo grow in the lab for several days.

But no one has been able to grow dog embryos in the lab. So the South Koreans quickly started the cloning. They removed the genetic material from the eggs and replaced it with skin cells from the ears of Afghan hounds. When the altered eggs were starting to develop into embryos, the researchers anesthetized a female dog, slipped the eggs into the animal's oviduct, and hoped the eggs would grow into early embryos, drift into the uterus, and survive. They found they had less than four hours after starting the process to get the eggs into the female dogs.

Ordinarily, researchers give hormones to female animals that are to serve as surrogate mothers, preparing them to become pregnant with a cloned embryo. Not so with dogs. No one knows how to prepare a dog for pregnancy, so the researchers used the same dogs for egg donors and for surrogate mothers, 123 dogs in all.

In the end, three pregnancies resulted. One ended in a miscarriage, one was carried to term but the puppy died a few weeks later of respiratory failure, and one resulted in Snuppy.

Until dog cloning becomes a lot more efficient, few people will be able to afford to clone their pets. Mr. Hawthorne estimated that it would cost more than $1 million to repeat what the South Koreans have done.

The market among dog owners might not be much, in any case. Apart from ethical issues, Dr. Cameron said, dogs are like family members. "My dog is now deceased," he said. "But I wouldn't want to clone Charlie. It would be disrespectful to Charlie and to Charlie II."

Tina Vogel, an Afghan breeder in Norwalk, Ohio, agreed that cloning a dog "would be like cloning a person." And she is opposed to that. "If it was meant to be, God would have done it," she said.

She said Afghans have a reputation as the dumbest dogs around, but that is just because they are "very aloof," more like a cat than a dog. "They are sweet and affectionate. If you have one you can never go back."

Song to Follow
Posted by:BigEd

#25  Because dogs are perfection itself ust as they are ... at least mine are. ;-)
Posted by: show dog breeder   2005-08-04 17:56  

#24  3dc-

Scientists are working on your requests...

Posted by: BigEd   2005-08-04 16:08  

#23  Cloning is no good without genetic engineering to make it interesting. Why doens't this dog glow in the dark when he is mad?

Why doesn't this dog have photosynthetic skin so we can do away with feeding him and cleaning up after him? Then the mouth can be adapted for better catching of frisbies without drool.

If they are going to clone him... be bold and imaginative...

Posted by: 3dc   2005-08-04 15:22  

#22  I'm not so much interested in the issues as I am in that littel Puppy. It's the damn image (don't laugh) of Cookie Dawg. An Afghan hound that hung out for years with me.... Dawg could bounce on his hind legs for 2 minutes at a time. Stone cold crazy tho and way too fast for the south.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-08-04 14:12  

#21  Sic 'em, Fang.

Schutzhund spoke here
Posted by: abu Guarddog   2005-08-04 12:50  

#20  Cloned dog? Tastes just like regular dog!

-- Researcher
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-08-04 12:34  

#19  And that's why cloning dogs and cloning humans are similar issues, as opposed to cloning (say) sheep.
Posted by: show dog breeder   2005-08-04 11:47  

#18  Okay (sigh).

Just keep this in mind: the dogs and wolves have a more complex and sophisticated set of social behaviors and social verbal and body language signals than any other species except humans and some gorillas.

More complex, subtle and sophisticated than that of most other primates, in fact.

It's why they and we have partnered for at least 15,000 years and probably longer.
Posted by: show dog breeder   2005-08-04 11:46  

#17  Ok, if no one else dares, I'll do it.

"Puppies, the other white meat"
Posted by: Steve   2005-08-04 10:58  

#16  So, what happens to society when some people can afford to have a clone of themselves made so they can have a ready supply of body parts that won't be rejected?

See also, "Clonus: The Parts Horror" and its current remake, "The Island".
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-08-04 09:51  

#15  tu...you beat me to the punch. Thinkin' the exact same thing.
Posted by: BA   2005-08-04 09:50  

#14  Tu3031: Larry Niven wrote a story about a guy who goes to a planet populated by carnivores, gets his blood taken, and later finds out that his clones were being sold as dinner for the carnivore aliens. Once again, life imitates science fiction.

So, what happens to society when some people can afford to have a clone of themselves made so they can have a ready supply of body parts that won't be rejected? The Two Americas of the future: The clone-holders and everybody else. Scary.
Posted by: Jonathan   2005-08-04 09:46  

#13  Ima thinka muckyfordu hava sombtin too say vrey sun.
Posted by: DragonFly   2005-08-04 09:33  

#12  Koreans cloning dogs?
Nah, too easy...
Posted by: tu3031   2005-08-04 09:28  

#11  Who let the clones out?
(Woof, woof, woof-woof!)
Posted by: Mike   2005-08-04 09:19  

#10  Damn this comment thread shows expertise comes in many flavors in RB... bravo, show dog breeder!

Btw, I fully support reproductive human cloning available to all: this may well be the only way I'll ever produce offsprings (not easy finding wimmen with my physique and personnality, not to mention my social achievements), plus I may well be tempted to get a copy of myself without all the design flaws. Wow, a successful me, what a swell idea!

Oh, and keep the lack of baby-making in developped countries, especially Europe, in mind too. What about factories of clones (cue "Star wars" theme)?
Posted by: anonymous5089   2005-08-04 09:00  

#9  people will steal DNA from celebrities and sell it on e-bay

F. Paul Wilson, "Dydeetown World". Hard-boiled detective stories in an SF setting. The dame in trouble is a clone of Jean Harlow.

Appropriately, the UN building had been turned into a house of ill-repute.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-08-04 08:58  

#8  RC, I think she really is focused on the dog cloning thing too. This has been discussed for several years on the show dog breeders lists ... Vogel is a well-known and very successful Afghan breeder.
Posted by: show dog breeder   2005-08-04 08:25  

#7  My comment #5 was in response to RC #3 about twins, in case that wasn't obvious.

Afghan hounds have several fairly 'primitive' sets of alleles (values at various gene sites on the the chromosomes). Probably why they were chosen for this experiment. Other 'primitive' breeds such as Basenjis also have a tiny gene pool outside of jungle tribe dogs, with a concentration of some recessive alleles which can cause health problems.

Serious and responsible breeders know about this stuff - we pay hundreds of dollars for genetic testing before breeding and donate a lot of money for research to produce new tests. The recessives exist in nature, but there animals who inherit the allele from both parents may well not get a chance to reproduce and pass it along, so there's a natural leveling off of the amount of the allele in the gene pool. Breeders seek not to concentrate it further.

Humans have been allowing more and more people with the same sorts of problems to reproduce.

Cloning might just tip the balance if we're not careful.
Posted by: show dog breeder   2005-08-04 08:23  

#6  Um, breeder, the quoted bit specifically mentioned people.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-08-04 08:20  

#5  Not in dogs, RC. Each fetus is a separate egg and has its own amniotic sac inside the womb.

Dog reproduction is unusual among mammals in a number of ways, from the relationship of hormonal cycles to ovulation all the way through fetal development, delivery and post-whelping maturation (puppies are born well before full development of major organs such as the eyes).
Posted by: show dog breeder   2005-08-04 08:17  

#4  This (successful cloning) is probably the biggest event in our lifetime. For all the excitement, the potential ethical problems are downright frightening. Dictators will want to clone their faithful drones, people will steal DNA from celebrities and sell it on e-bay. We better set standards now, because looks like cloning is here to stay and it's not going away.
Posted by: 2b   2005-08-04 08:14  

#3  Tina Vogel, an Afghan breeder in Norwalk, Ohio, agreed that cloning a dog "would be like cloning a person." And she is opposed to that. "If it was meant to be, God would have done it," she said.

Ever hear of twins?
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-08-04 07:26  

#2  Above sung to "Send In The Clowns"
Stephen Sondheim
Posted by: Ogeretla 2005   2005-08-04 01:49  

#1  I EMailed BigEd to post this...
I was ready


What? Are they nuts?
Are we a pair?
Me nice Labrador Girl,
An Afghan my heir.
Send in the clones.

Isn't it bliss?
Will they approve?
One who keeps chewing up stuff,
One who cleans up.
Where is the clone?
You are the clone.

Just when I'd started
Thinking that,
I would chase balls
They took me to that dingy old lab,
They put something strange in me
Then you came to me my pup,
I did not mate,
No one was there.

Don't you love farce?
I think this is.
I thought that you'd look like me -
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clones?
There ought to be clones.
I guess you’re my clone.

What a surprise.
Who could forsee
I'd come have one like you
Not a bit alike me?
Why only now when I see
That you're a part of me
What a surprise.
Who would believe.

Isn't it nuts?
Isn't it odd?
Having a puppy right now
Snuppy its clear?
And where are the clones?
Quick, send in the clones.
Just like you my dear.
Posted by: Ogeretla 2005   2005-08-04 01:48  

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