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| Family of suspect fear torture (Barf Alert) |
| 2005-07-30 |
| THE family of Zambian-held London bombings suspect Haroon Aswat said overnight they feared he may be extradited to face torture in the United States, and criticised Britain's handling of the situation. The British national is suspected of links to the July 7 London terror bombings and is also wanted by US authorities over alleged attempts to set up a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon. "We are extremely concerned, distressed and disappointed by the attitude of the British government and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in not providing consular access to Haroon," the man's family said in a statement. British officials have refused to comment on reports that Aswat is the suspected mastermind behind the July 7 blasts that killed 56 people, including four suicide bombers, in three blasts on the London subway and one on a bus. Aswat, 31, who hails from West Yorkshire in northern England, was detained on July 20 and is being held in the Zambian capital Lusaka, police confirmed Saturday. Britain was understood to be seeking access to Aswat. His parents, originally from India but who now live in Batley in West Yorkshire, the county home to three of July 7 suicide bombers, blasted the failure of British authorities to contact him. "It is very worrying that after more than 10 days the British government is still unable to verify that the British citizen detained is actually Haroon," they said. "Our son, albeit estranged for many years, is surely entitled to the presumption of innocence, as any other British citizen. The family noted press reports that unnamed British officials are in discussions with the US government over extradition of Aswat. "Yet our government and the FCO is dilly dallying and does not have the decency to confirm Haroon's detention." "We wonder whether the government's attitude would have been any different if it was a white, non-Muslim citizen detained in a foreign country?" they said. |
| Posted by:tipper |
| #15 Sooo, how 'bout them Seminoles losing a quarterback to Lymes Disease? |
| Posted by: badanov 2005-07-30 22:59 |
| #14 As for you being a woman (who hides behind neutered initials), you're not a warmongering, Right Wing neocon lady like me. That's why I'm attacked. No, Jennie, you are being attacked because you attack others and impugn their motives if they dare disagree with you. As far as my identity, some here at RB know exactly who I am. As far as my own stance on the matters under discussion, you clearly haven't a clue re: 'warmongering'. And on the neocon front? I was a houseguest of Herman Kahn in the 70s, a classmate of mine was the daughter of Midge Dector, I was taught by close friends and colleagues of Leo Strauss. Some of us had ringside seats for the birth of the neocon movement, Jennie. It would be prudent for you not to make allegations about people when you don't have the facts. |
| Posted by: rkb 2005-07-30 20:55 |
| #13 THE family of Zambian-held London bombings suspect Haroon Aswat said overnight they feared he may be extradited to face torture in the United States Cry me a f*****g river... Jennie... I am on your side. If this group of evil coagulated Homo sapiens DNA will spill beans of future endeavors, if some emphasis is placed on his personage, I have no problem either... Bring him to Gitmo - All the left wing senators and ACLU sycopants say we are using Gulagian tactics there. OK let's use them... Tell me where to find a rack, iron maiden, or better yet a bucket of lard to spread in his holding cell... |
| Posted by: BigEd 2005-07-30 20:35 |
| #12 Well, Jennie, I'm opposed to torture (not sleep deprevation or stuff that fraternity would do, but real torture) not because of the poor widdle terrorists, but for our own sake. I could order troops to assault a position, but I don't think I could order them to actually torture a prisoner. (No, I don't use My real name here, but there's a link to My personal home page that even gives a picture and a map to My house.) |
| Posted by: Jackal 2005-07-30 20:27 |
| #11 Good for you that Fred made you a mod. I was merely suggesting that you and tootrue could get together someplace else not that you leave the forum. As for you being a woman (who hides behind neutered initials), you're not a warmongering, Right Wing neocon lady like me. That's why I'm attacked. |
| Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro 2005-07-30 20:09 |
| #10 Well, Jennie .... Fred made me a moderator at Rantburg some time ago. So I guess I'll be around for a while. And I am also a woman, for whatever that's worth. |
| Posted by: rkb 2005-07-30 19:50 |
| #9 Speaking of playing "cards," I'm going to play one: I'm sick to death of everyone picking on me and my views (which are pretty much like that of men here on RB) as if they were singular just because I'm a woman. I know we don't engage in torture, but if they had to use it in interrogations at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib to get information they thought would save lives or stop future attacks, I don't have a problem with it. And Islam isn't a "race," it's a religious/political system. "too true," you sound suspiciously like "rkb." Same person? If not, you should get together for coffee, preferably not here. |
| Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro 2005-07-30 19:46 |
| #8 But, too true, the drive to cross international boundaries in order to actively target and kill large numbers of civilians by means of stealth is something unique to Islam. All Muslims are not terrorists, nor are all terrorists Muslim but damn near all large scale acts of international terrorism are perpetrated in the name of Islam. Note the key term "Islam". That is a religion and not a race hence any argument about "playing the race card" are specious. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2005-07-30 19:25 |
| #7 Yup, they're playing the race card. But so are you, Jennie. But then the supply, if not also the demand, of white, non-Muslims suspected in terrorist attacks seems to be pretty non-existent. For now, anyway. The IRA is quiescent after 7/7 and 7/21; that could change easily enough. FARC is lying low while Chavez pretends to be Santa Claus for South Americans but that could change too. And the MS-13 cop killers haven't tortured anyone lately, that has made the papers in this country any way. Your eagerness to torture others is pathetic, Jennie. And you may or may not be accurate in saying that noone associated with the U.S. is torturing others in this war on terror. Yes, it's a war. Yes, it's dirty. Let's not revel in it, okay? Or if you must, then go do it in your own name and not in mine. |
| Posted by: too true 2005-07-30 18:16 |
| #6 "We wonder whether the government's attitude would have been any different if it was a white, non-Muslim citizen detained in a foreign country?" they said. Uh, NO, not if he'd been one of the prime suspects in a terror bombing with 52 dead. But then the supply, if not also the demand, of white, non-Muslims suspected in terrorist attacks seems to be pretty non-existent. ('Cept for old Johnny Jihad from Kalifornia.) They've got this guy on numerous CCTV images carrying out the bombings: Play the race card but it's a joker. Oh, and lady, the U.S. doesn't "do" torture. More's the pity. |
| Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro 2005-07-30 17:39 |
| #5 i´ll get all the info we need , let me talk to him alone with my sledgehammer. You´ll have to clean up the blood afterwards and he wont have any testicles but hey, we will know all he knows. |
| Posted by: Viking 2005-07-30 17:00 |
| #4 Took me longer than it should have GK. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2005-07-30 16:26 |
| #3 I was wondering what happened to my deck of race cards. Looks like the Aswat (rhymes with Asshat) family found them. |
| Posted by: GK 2005-07-30 16:02 |
| #2 Why was valuable ink and paper wasted on this "news"? |
| Posted by: Bobby 2005-07-30 15:51 |
| #1 They need a serious dose of STFU. These people (his "family") have no standing to speak of anything. This useless little prick is butt buddies with Osama and they have the balls to open their mouths. FOAD and be glad you are not locked up you worthless swine. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-30 15:47 |