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Iraqi Insurgents Killed About 30 US Soldiers on Friday
2005-07-26
From Jihad Unspun
... a bomb that was planted by the side of the main road, known as ash-Shurtah Road, blew up as a joint patrol of Americans and Iraqi puppet troops was passing by. One US soldier was killed and two more Americans wounded. ....

The US military occupation forces admitted on Friday that one American Marine died on Thursday of wounds received when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded during combat operations in the area of Hit. ....

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded by a convoy of US military trucks loaded with provisions and supplies for American troops on the highway in the Khan Darri area in western Abu Ghurayb .... The explosion set one of the truck on fire, killing one soldier and wounding a second. .....

A detachment of Iraqi Resistance fighters attacked a joint US-Iraqi puppet patrol in as-Sayyidiyah to the south of Baghdad .... Four US troops and six Iraqi puppet soldiers were killed and six Americans were wounded. ...

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded by a US fuel truck convoy in the ar-Rashidiyah area just north of Baghdad .... The blast set one of the fuel trucks on fire, killing two American soldiers. ....

Two Iraqi Resistance martyrdom fighters drove two car bombs into an American armored column in Tikrit on the main road linking Baghdad with the northern provinces .... The blasts destroyed two US armored vehicles and disabled a third, killing eight American troops and wounding three more. ...

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded by a US armored column on the main road from Baghdad to the north in the city of al-Mushahadah .... a bomb that was planted by the side of the main road ... The explosion disabled one of the armored vehicles, killing one US soldier and seriously wounding four more.

An Iraqi Resistance car bomb exploded by a US military column in al-Mahmudiyah, south of Baghdad .... when a column of six American armored vehicles and two Humvees passed by. The witnesses said that the blast set one of the American armored vehicles on fire, killing its five-man crew.

Iraqi Resistance forces carried out two consecutive attacks on a US military column at the entrance to the al-Islah az-Zira‘i neighborhood in northwestern Mosul .... an Iraqi Resistance bomb that was planted by the side of the main road at the eastern entrance to the neighborhood exploded by a passing column of six armored vehicles and four Humvees, disabling one of the armored vehicles. Then after the column had come to a halt following the bomb blast and were engaged in tending to the dead and wounded, Iraqi Resistance fighters fired eight mortar rounds into the American column, destroying one Humvee and setting an armored vehicle on fire. In all, eight US troops were killed or wounded.
Posted by:Mike Sylwester

#143  OK I'm back where were we?
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564   2005-07-26 10:31  

#142  Well you are brave .com , that is behind a computer keyboard, but not in real life I'll wager. Cruddy little fascists like you never are.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 09:12  

#141  Even if that were true Crawford, the number pales into insignificance compared to the number of Iraqis killed by the USA.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 09:10  

#140  Thank you Trailing Wife, I prefer my tea the traditional way. Why are you "trailing" by the way?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 09:08  

#139  You're the Nazi Saturn, I'm not supporting an extreme right wing Government intent on death, destruction, invading a country on false pretences or torturing people. that's you, remember?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 09:06  

#138  I think it was your lot 11A that caused the deaths of 30 million in WW11, not forgetting Vietnam of course. But extremes of all kind are bad, whether they are Communist or fascist like yourself. I prefer the centre ground.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 09:04  

#137  Yes you were good Harold.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 09:01  

#136  Brave talk .com, censorship seems quite common in all aspects of the American media now as of course it was in Nazi Germany. You don't like hearing alternate views do you? Is that why you use this silly, childish verbal abuse all the time? Do you actually have a brain?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 09:00  

#135  Of course you could just pull my plug, that's about the only way you can win.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:55  

#134  Well Lawrence I've tried discussing facts rather than fantasies with these poor deluded fools, but it seems as soon as their arguments are trashed they turn to personal abuse and they are not even very good at that.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:52  

#133  You can't find them either Crawford.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:48  

#132  Actually it's fascist like you have caused most deaths.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:45  

#131  You are so funny .com, is that the best you can do? What a sad little turd you are.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:44  

#130  Hey leave the Brit bit out of this, he doesn't represent the Brits point of view.

I rather think I do Shistos, we are not all Tony Blairs thank god.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:41  

#129  I always see rabid right wingers like .com turning to silly abuse whenever their arguments are trashed. Would you prefer it if I went away so you could just exchange your delusions?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:39  

#128  "I suggest a forum where the idiot quotient is higher. There are many out there."

There can't be another any better in that regard than this one. Americans are so stupid and dumb, that's probably why you chose your President, it's makes every feel normal.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:38  

#127  "You're so fucking stupid that you can't see the contradictions in your own arguments. So what is worse? Us starving 500,000 Iraqi kids or us killing 128,000 Iraqis through direct action. Oh shit, I'm sorry. Its always our fucking fault! Kids die in third world shithole?"

The point though imbecile is that they were not dying before the sanctions. The USA knew that they were killing kids and didn't give a damn. Now we are expected to believe they invaded Iraq for the benefit of Iraqis. What a load of crap and what despicable ugly turds you really are.
"Why do they all hate us", I have to laugh every time I hear this.

Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:36  

#126  Yes I've seen yours also Crawford it contains the usual unconfirmed propaganda coming out of the White House and sent to news agencies all over the world.Perhaps you can tell us where some of these 290 grave sites containing 300,000 are?
Well we are on this subject too, the industrial human shredders, taking babies out of incubators, besides the generally accepted WMD, links with terrorism etc are all crap too.
Good old George, repeat lies often enough and people accept them as facts and even when they realise they've been fooled, they continue with the lie rather than look foolish.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:31  

#125  Do you mean the US Companies listed below? I think you are confusing the legal trading of oil for food by France, Germany, Russia etc with the trading of arms by the USA. Of course the USA as a member of the Security Council was able to oversee all trading done by Iraq and of course it was the USA who had the military naval capacity to police it.
As far as mass graves go, there can be little doubt that the USA has killed far more Iraqis in the last 15 years than Saddam is ever allegedly done. Most of the casualties during Saddam's time occurred during the Iranian/Iraqi war for which the USA supplied both with poisonous gas.

U.S. corporations involved...

A - nuclear K - chemical B - biological R - rockets (missiles)

1) Honeywell (R,K)

2) Spektra Physics (K)

3) Semetex (R)

4) TI Coating (A,K)

5) UNISYS (A,K)

6) Sperry Corp. (R,K)

7) Tektronix (R,A)

8) Rockwell )(K)

9) Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)

10) Finnigan-MAT-US (A)

11) Hewlett Packard (A.R,K)

12) Dupont (A)

13) Eastman Kodak (R)

14) American Type Culture Collection (B)

15) Alcolac International (C)

16) Consarc (A)

17) Carl Zeis -U.Ss (K)

18) Cerberus (LTD) (A)

19) Electronic Assiciates (R)

20) International Computer Systems

21) Bechtel (K)

22) EZ Logic Data Systems,Inc. (R)

23) Canberra Industries Inc. (A)

24) Axel Electronics Inc. (A)

Additionally to these 24 companies based in the US, are nearly 50 subsidiaries of foreign enterprises whose arms co-operation with Iraq seems to have been operated from the US. In addition, Ministries for defense, energy, trade, and agriculture, as well as the foremost U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories at Lawrence Livermore. Los Alamos, and Sandia, are designated as suppliers for the Iraqi arms programs for A, B, and C-weapons as well as for rockets.

Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:23  

#124  JFM the US Army constantly uses racist terms against Iraqi civilians. Torture is being carried out in Iraq now either by US forces or by the Iraqi police/Army on US instructions. The USA doesn't care whether Iraq is democratic, it's just there to steal natural resources. Iraq is a far worse place to live in than before the illegal oil invasion.
You are totally delusional if you think otherwise.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:16  

#123  Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 4: ‘Persons protected by the Convention’. ii) Therefore, the Occupying power- which is a Coalition under the operational control of a US Army General- ‘shall establish an official Information Bureau responsible for receiving and transmitting information in respect of the protected persons who are in its power.’ Furthermore, the occupying power shall ‘require its various departments concerned with such matters to provide the aforesaid Bureau promptly with information concerning all changes pertaining to these protected persons’ including especially ‘admittances to hospitals, births and deaths.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:06  

#122  English jokes "Trailing Wife". Now which mass graves are you looking for? The 500,000 Iraqi children killed by vindictive sanctions by the USA refusing to release them? 110,000 Iraqis killed in Colin Powell's "Turkey Shoot"? Or the 123,000 killed by the oil invasion?
If you are looking for 400,000 from Saddam's time I feel you may be out of luck.

PM admits graves claim 'untrue'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html

Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday July 18, 2004
The Observer

Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 08:01  

#121  It was computer generated but quite cute don't you think? Has Rantburg always been right wing like this or have you guys simply driven rational thinkers away with all this childish, personal stuff?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:48  

#120  Correct Harold.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:45  

#119  See #45 wanker.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:32  

#118  "Rantburg-Civil well-reasoned discourse".

Hmmm. When was that dropped?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:29  

#117  Yes Dave I prefer facts to fantasies and one can hardly rely on Fox News for those can we?
Bottom line is though the US isn't doing body counts as required under the Geneva Convention so they can hardly complain about attempt by others to do so. This 128,000 is in line with the report last year around Aug that the figure was around 100,000, but that was before the genocide at Falluja.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:24  

#116  It's repeated on many websites Dave, that's simply the first one I came across.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:18  

#115  It was not an American bomb who killed the 390 children the other day, it was an Islamo-nazi bomb.

I think it's important to remember that there would be no casualties in Iraq right now if it hadn't been for the illegal invasion. But in any case your example is rather minute compared with the fire bombing of Falluja. Who exactly are the Nazis supposed to be, perhaps we should review the reports from Abu Graib to answer that one.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:13  

#114  Do I have a website Dave, if so it's news to me. can you give me the link.
Homosexual parties? It seems many rabid right winger bat for the other side, some even have sex with mules it seems.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:10  

#113  True foreign holders need to dump the dollar slowly Harold, but the value of the dollar depends on the demand for the US dollar. The US Treasury doesn't have any control on that except by increasing interest rates dramatically or by buying the US$ with foreign currency reserves, but that's only a temporary measure.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:08  

#112  Devalue the buck and who gets the burn?

Cost of imports to the USA increases and value of US exports fall, increasing your already unsustainable deficit. USA interest rates rise, unemployment increases, inflation increases.
The world's different place than it was even 10 years ago. The world doesn't need the USA, the USA needs the world but frankly right now it's unlikely to get much sympathy.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 07:03  

#111  Phil did I mention an interruption of oil supply from the ME? Why is this board just a mutual agreement society for rapid right wingers in denial of reality?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 06:59  

#110  "Illegal War? Brussels angry? Kofi in a kilter? So what. Your type is powerless."

I'm sure the Germans made similar comments in 1939 when they were kicked out of the League of Nations. But I've never found arrogance endearing or to be enduring.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 06:57  

#109  Don't count on it Harold. Certainly gradual moves are already underway by your trusted allies, such as China, Russia and Saudi, to move away from the US$ to something more reliable.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 06:55  

#108  "The reality is that the USA is protecting the world's oil supply in Iraq, even though it is way down the list of beneficiaries. Beware of what you wish for, you may get it."

Another funny view of reality, protecting it from what exactly? It didn't need protecting until the illegal invasion kicked off.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 06:45  

#107  "OK, I'm going to start on a schtick that has been bugging me for a while. The reality is the rest of the world 'free rides' on many things the USA does."

The reality is that the USA is living on borrowed time and borrowed money and has been for a very long time.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 06:43  

#106   killed over 123,000 Iraqis.Bullshit. That's complete bullshit.

Yes you are right, it's 128,000.
http://www.edstrong.blog-city.com/iraq_roundup_138000_killed_since_2003_us_military_facing_def.htm
128,000 Iraqis Killed By US Occupation Since 2003

An Iraqi humanitarian organization that follows the human rights situation in the country announced on Monday morning that the number of Iraqis killed since the US occupation of Iraq has now topped 128,000
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 06:41  

#105  Trailing Wife.
Venezuela is of course a member of OPEC, but if you can influence OPEC price, and OPEC supplies about 50% of USA's oil requirements, you also control the Mexican and Canadian prices too.
Venezuela now seems more interested in supplying China and giving cut price deals to other S. American countries than continuing supplies to the USA. It's totally impossible for Canada and Mexico to supply all of the USA's requirements.
Someday you guys are going to have to admit you are wrong, but then again that would be an admission that you are fools.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 06:39  

#104  Language Timothy!!!
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 05:59  

#103  Valentine you are missing point, presuming of course you are capable of getting it. The reason for the invasion was to control the world's second largest reserves of oil, boost production and undercut OPEC, thereby reducing oil prices. It hasn't worked of course because Iraqi oil is routinely sabotaged.
Only an total idiot would believe the US spent $200 billion due to concerns of Iraqi's wellbeing.
For those total morons amongst you, and it seems like a majority on this form, who argue it wasn't worth it, read this;
"In the past, dependence on oil has cost our economy dearly. Oil price shocks and price manipulation by the OPEC cartel from 1979 to 1991 cost the U.S. economy about $4 trillion, almost as much as we spent on national defense over the same time period and more than the interest payments on the national debt. Each major price shock of the past three decades was followed by an economic recession in the United States. With growing U.S. imports and increasing world dependence on OPEC oil, future price shocks are possible and would be costly to the U.S. economy."
(Source: U.S. Department of Energy, Spring 2002.)

Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 05:46  

#102  "You really do hate the U.S. military, don't you?"

I wonder why, could it be the fact that the USA invaded a country to steal the natural resources and in doing so have so far killed over 123,000 Iraqis.
Or perhaps could it be that the USA refused to release the vindictive sanctions which killed over 500,000 Iraqi children. Madeline Albright thought that was "worth it".
Or perhaps it could be that the USA has financed Israeli terrorism for the last 50 years.
Hard to believe anyone could hate America isn't it?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235   2005-07-26 03:38  

#101  Few can say it like you, Frank!

MS, are you paying attention?
We can see your bias a mile away.
(Jihad Unspun--pathetic!)
Perhaps you'd be more comfortable posting with your little friends over at DU and not here.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro   2005-07-26 21:28  

#100  well, to date, approximately twice the US population has been put to death in vicious manner by the Iraqi heroes....The sheer scale of his repetitous posts of Arab lies belies any innocent explanation. I'll say it : MS = traitorous scum, with a litany of undercutting support for a righteous and national-security-serving action with the intent of damaging the administration and America. F&*k his Jihad Unspun lies
Posted by: Frank G   2005-07-26 20:57  

#99  I believe that Mikey never puts substantive inline commentary into his posted articles to be telling. He lives in the gray zone, where nuances can be argued interminably.

For the record, I can count on one hand the number of times I've put inline commentary in my posts. Maybe it's the old editor in me, but I'm not all that witty and I'd rather let the reader draw their own conclusions.

That said, Mr. S.'s let's-poke-between-the-bars- of-the-cage-and-walk-away-when-something-snarls does get wearisome.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-07-26 20:49  

#98  And I'll beleive in a genuine mea culpa from that writer at the link when/if I see him produce a ganuine unvarnished history of the Baath party and its murderous, pathologically evil rule of Iraq.

As for Isaiah quotes (liek the one in his article), I and others like me use a different one:

Isaiah 6:8

And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I! Send me."

I volunteered and went.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-07-26 17:59  

#97  "I was very nearly deployed to Saudi Arabia as a medic"

LMAO - is that supposed to give the writer bona fides in your world?

Try talking to people who were actually THERE. And not some remf medic or fiel clerc. Talk to the trigger pullers. We *saw* what Saddam was doing. Especially at the end when our hands were tied by ROE and there was f**k-all we could do about Saddam's thugs running rampant just across the allowable line of engagement.

Until you've helped pull a kid out of a car, covered in his mothers blood (from Saddam's thugs bullets), plugging the wound in his thigh until a medic can get to him...

Well, lets jsut say you dont have the same level of credibility when talking about empathy for the Iraqi people. The best we could have done is not cancelled our orders to march up the Euphrates right then and there, and fixed this problem before the hooligans and thugs in the Baath party were given the keys to the palace again. Iraq now can be seen as a belated effort to finish the job we started back in 91, bringing justice and freedom to the region.


Posted by: OldSpook   2005-07-26 17:47  

#96  I believe that Mikey never puts substantive inline commentary into his posted articles to be telling. He lives in the gray zone, where nuances can be argued interminably. Much patience and tooth-pulling is required to figure out precisely what tiny nit or microscopic hair Mikey wishes to split. Interminably. Pointless comes to mind when I see a Mikey post. Pointless to read it, pointless to try to divine why it was posted, and pointless to try to determine what position, with uber-nuanced dimensions, Mikey will take on some tiny nearly irrelevant aspect of the story that caught his fancy and prompted the post. Only one continuous thread runs throughout Mikey's posts: they all share a strong element of "the US is to blame for [insert favorite dementia here]".

*flush*
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 17:44  

#95  As to sanctions try here.
Posted by: Crans Thaling7071   2005-07-26 17:27  

#94  Okay I'll go for that Pappy, maybe a little inline commentary to show contrast? A little comment to begin the thread? That's not the reason it's here. It's anger, anger at being put aside way before due, anger at the goings on in Dallas, the Martian coverup, the lack of a decent retirement plant. DAMMIT PAY ATTENTION TO ME I SHOULD HAVE BEEN A .. ummm never mind.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 16:36  

#93  two or three times a day, Pappy?
Posted by: Frank G   2005-07-26 16:36  

#92  I'll defend Mike this one time. Posting excerpts from Jihad Unspun is like posting transcripts of Tokyo Rose, Lord Haw-Haw, or Pravda excerpts at the height of the Cold War. Sometimes good for a laugh, and once glimpse into the ememy propaganda mindset.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-07-26 16:19  

#91  A factual correction: The best estimate of the deaths of Iraqi children in the decade of the sanctions is 100,000 not 500,000. A small amount of googling will reveal this. For those for whom distinctions are important, i.e. those not engaging in Agitprop, the sanctions INDIRECTLY and PARTIALLY CONTRIBUTED TO the deaths. The list of possible non-sanction causes is long. For those for whom moral distinctions are important, the deaths were UNINTENDED and UNFORESEEN consequences of what was essentially a PACIFIST alternative to war. Of course humility demands that when dealing with obscure phenomena such as this, we remember that no one really knows how many people, if any, died because of the sanctions.
Posted by: jolly roger   2005-07-26 15:10  

#90  I wish you wouldn't delete the troll vomitus so quickly; those of us in the mid-pacific timezone need a laugh too.
Posted by: Spolush Floluper6722   2005-07-26 14:59  

#89  Munkrat - read my warning in #114 above.

A) Stop kicking GE when he can't respond. And no I don't care if you find it fun - stop it.

B) Stop wasting Fred's bandwidth on this one.
Posted by: rkb   2005-07-26 10:15  

#88  Come out come out wherever you are little GE!? We do so enjoy dissecting abnormally small rodent brains like yours. We'll get to the "Root Cause" of your particular sickness, feel your pain, and cure you leaving no visible marks or scars.
Posted by: MunkarKat   2005-07-26 10:05  

#87  Lol, I'm afraid the rest of the day will be something of a letdown, now...

I haven't been to bed, yet - it's not quite 7:00 AM here - that's what I intended to do when I saw the explosion of posts. Now I guess I can grab a few hours. Nite all, lol!
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 09:47  

#86  Boy this thread was extremely invigorating, I'm Glad to see the Left succumb in a pool of it's own filth......proud to be a Shellback on the right side of the Idealogical Fence!
Posted by: Janos Hunyadi   2005-07-26 09:39  

#85  why the MS fascination with Jihad Unspun? Their lies are not a disclosure of "secrets of what the insurgents are thinking", rather it is all- antiamerican lies all the time. Post it once a week to demonstrate the stupid lies the arab populace may be hearing , anything else is Mike Sylwester - rolling in sick fantasies of dead Americans.
Posted by: Frank G   2005-07-26 09:37  

#84  Looks like I missed the party.
Posted by: DragonFly   2005-07-26 09:36  

#83  Well...

Gulf War I was never ended, only a ceasefire

17 UNSC resolutions were ignored - including one with teeth

the UN Inspectors were only allowed back in when Dubya had accumulated 70,000+ troops in the Gulf - Saddam had laughed up his sleeve for 12 yrs until that occurred

pre-emption had been made a policy option due to the lethality of weapons

WMD's weren't the only thing we wanted to be certain of

Bush Doctrine asserted that the ME might be turned away from self-destruction through democratization

---

But all of this requires one to stop and think, and GE was having none of that. Those are my first blush responses to your seeming unease with the "illegal war" bullshit.

Those that grant legality to the UN must accept that the UN sanctioned the war - Dubya took great pains, wasted a LOT of time, but checked off all of the boxes.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 09:34  

#82  I remember this sucker too.... But I'm not certain it was from, maybe it was when I was a young green lizoid.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 09:31  

#81  Aw TW don't worry, the Sinktraps is a RB rite of passage, like going from a slimy wog to a real shellback.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 09:28  

#80  I'll check with Fred to see if there's a way for me to ban a troll from further posting without deleting his existing comments.
Posted by: rkb   2005-07-26 09:28  

#79  I agree with RC - I'm sorry to see the comments sequence lost. I intended to reread the thread at leisure (it's awfully early out here, lol) and better absorb some of the excellent points made.

I found this one reminiscent of someone from long ago - and I mean at least 2 yrs ago... can't recall the nym it used, damnit, lol! Brit. Amazingly arrogrant poofta.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 09:26  

#78  Not a problem, TW. And I don't have a problem with those on the Left coming to RB and challenging the consensus opinion here -- provided they do it with facts, links and a tolerably low level of ad hominem .

I'll throw my 2 cents in here on one point GE kept hitting. The decision to invade Iraq is not one we should take lightly. I supported the move and still do but let's not be cavalier about the downsides even as we continue to insist that there were very good and pressing reasons for it.
Posted by: rkb   2005-07-26 09:22  

#77  Sorry, rkb, I didn't see that you'd dumped the rude child before I posted. Please don't block me, too -- I couldn't bear it! ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-26 09:18  

#76  So we let the leftists hide their hatred, lies, and bile?

GE's a holocaust denier, like much of the modern left. Let the light shine on them, and let them feel the heat.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-26 09:18  

#75  I'm sorry, Grearong Elmurong9235, that's a story you don't get until you've completed Professor RKB's assignment. I'm afraid you've a bit of studying to do before you're qualified to sit at my table. But others have managed, so I imagine you can, too.

Feel free to take your tea with you to the library... I'm using the everyday china today.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-26 09:16  

#74  I'm done - thanx, rkb.

And thanks for the fine posts, folks, even if GE didn't bother to read them, they were good reminders for the next tool who wanders in thinking itself The Messiah - peddling ancient MSM memes of BDS and failed ideologies. It's kinda fun, once you get your hobnail boots on, no?

:-)
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 09:16  

#73  GE's gone. Next person who insists on chiming in with more abuse towards him, after this is visible to you all, also goes.

Posted by: rkb   2005-07-26 09:14  

#72  Deal me in too, TW, if I may be so bold. No sugar, just a touch of milk.
Posted by: docob   2005-07-26 09:12  

#71  Yes, thank you TW. No cream, please. Has this thread finally died or do I need to put it out of its misery?
Posted by: rkb   2005-07-26 09:10  

#70  Can this troll. It's well past the expiration date.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats   2005-07-26 09:10  

#69  Yep, rkb, I agree this thread has no value, except to demonstrate the Left's complete detatchment from reality. I'd vote to kill it.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-07-26 09:09  

#68  You can't find them either Crawford.

Well, no. That's because I'm not in Iraq.

However, there are others there. Here's a PDF map of located sites. It's an older map, from 2004, but the numbers have only gone up.

Robert Alt visited Iraq, and when he was there visited one of the mass grave sites:

In Hillah on Friday I met with representatives of several human rights organizations operating in the area. Muhannad Al-Dolaimy, the general prosecutor and director of the Human Rights Association, explained how Saddam’s Deputy, Taha Yasin Ramadan, paid 300 Iraqi Dinars for each Shia a local sheik would bring to be tortured and killed. Far from disavowing the actions of the sheik, Saddam appeared on television with him, and thanked him for his efforts in putting down the 1991 Shia uprising. Despite some recent claims that the number of mass graves is less than expected, the groups continue to find mass graves, and have not been able to continue the exhumation process at the previous pace due to a lack of funding.

There are seven confirmed mass grave sites in the Hillah/Babyl area, from which approximately 25,000 bodies have been discovered. On Saturday, I visited the mass grave at Mahaweel, where 3,000 bodies have been unearthed.


Stop denying Saddam's holocaust.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-26 09:07  

#67  Brave? First rabid, now brave? Where are you getting your inane ideas? You're a simple twit troll, nothing more and certainly nothing special - unless we're talking about short-bus speshul... There, I'm afraid, you'd have me.

If I could get in your face physically, well then, we could talk of such things as rabid and brave - before I pulled your plug. But you're just pulling you pud here in this venue - and pulling characterizations out of your ass.

Bugger off - is that more in line with what you want me to say?

Sorry, rkb, I'm done.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 09:07  

#66  Mr Gollum

Before you return to read your facts and your truth in the Pravda or in its idelogicaklly akin Der Sturmer let me tell you an old Spanish motto: "Tell me with who you are walking and I will tell you who you are". And you walk with muderers, slavists, genociders and racists. They could be disguised as left but they still are murderers, slavists, genociders and racists.

And let me tell you another thing: when you support a Saddam or a Pol Pot, when you prolong his stay in power, when you merely touch his hand you get blood in yours. Your hands are full of blood.
Posted by: JFM   2005-07-26 09:06  

#65  I'd be delighted to pour you a cup, .com. Milk, sugar, lemon? Or are you a "Don't dilute the caffein," type? You have such charming manners when you choose, and you tell such interesting stories of your adventures! May I offer anyone else a cup, while I'm pouring? RKB, you'll want a cuppa before deleting the nonsense, I imagine, yes?
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-26 09:06  

#64  Ship, GE brought out the infantryman in me this morning. Bye all.
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-07-26 09:05  

#63  Hey, Grearong Elmurong9235, you gas-chamber loving Nazi filth, Germany withdrew from the League voluntarily in 1933, not that a vomit-brained genocide-loving thugga like you would know the difference.
Posted by: Ernest Brown   2005-07-26 09:04  

#62  Okay.
Be seeing you.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 09:04  

#61  Alternate views of non-reality? Like the great dollar sell off of 2009? LOL.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 09:03  

#60  Okay - one last moderator warning before I troll GE and delete this entire thread.

GE - produce something substantial in the way of links and facts or bugger off.

RB regulars - stop feeding the troll or poking him.
Posted by: rkb   2005-07-26 09:03  

#59  GE stated in post #68:
What a load of crap and what despicable ugly turds you really are.

then whinged in #72 about others turning to silly abuse whenever their arguments are trashed.

What a freakin hypocrite.
Posted by: docob   2005-07-26 09:03  

#58  Damn 11A5s is giving abu TrollSlicer a run for his money.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 09:02  

#57  I thought the Harold part was pretty good, if somewhat overly obvious.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 09:00  

#56  That's right, EB, facists were responsible for the Russian Civil War (10 million), the Ukrainian terror famine (7 million), the Great Terror (7 million), the Great Leap Forward (50 million), all the failed socialist experiments in Africa and the Middle East (countless millions). Your paranoia would make Stalin blush.

And to use Leninist jargon, you're objectively responsible for every one of those deaths. By supporting socialist policies, you support the killing. Try to imagine 100,000,000 lives cut short tonight before you go to sleep. Start with the kids first. Innocent boys and girls. Smiling. Playing. Then one day the OGPU or red guards come to town and the terror starts. Hell, its better than counting sheep.

Oops, I think that the Code Pink meeting starts in about 15 minutes. Don't you think that you should get going? They let men in if you act sufficiently androgynous. Somehow I don't think that will be a problem for you.
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-07-26 08:59  

#55  OK, I think we've just about exhausted the info value of this thread. GE, if you wanted to you could Google up a huge number of specific site locations for mass graves filled during Saddam's regime. The 300,000 number is validated by observer groups who aren't friends of the US or Coalition troop presence in Iraq. And Burgers, let's not waste Fred's bandwidth trying to oneup this jerk. He's obviously not interested in a real discussion, just wants to continue his solipcistic jerkoff.
Posted by: rkb   2005-07-26 08:59  

#54  Tea sounds good, tw - I'll emulate your good taste, that is if you don't mind being emulated by a fascist turd, lol! Sorry about the "Why Do They Hate... Us" miss. I'll have to talk to Jeff to get that inserted or added as an addendum to the Moonbat Boilerplate.

11A5S - indeed, LotR's right - excellent post. Too bad GE hasn't the decency or intellectual capacity to tackle your substantive points...

Has anyone noticed anything new in GE's drivel? Just wondering. So much text, so little content.

Do learn some manners, GE - post the link only, no one is impressed with your quantity of drivel (old and stale, too, AFAICS). As I noted, we get a toolfool just like you regularly. I know it hurts to be told you're not special - that is a linchpin of your existence, your attitude makes that very clear, indeed. But 'tis so - you're just another ponce with worthless stale memery to peddle. So sorry.

And do fuck off.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 08:56  

#53  Airkill. PD. I count 27. 5 Unconfirmed.

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Posted by: half   2005-07-26 08:53  

#52  It's a team effort phil_b.
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-07-26 08:50  

#51  .com. I bow down before the troll killing master. Shit, I thought I was good at this. Sigh!
Posted by: phil_b   2005-07-26 08:49  

#50  Perhaps you can tell us where some of these 290 grave sites containing 300,000 are?

In Iraq.

Asshat.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-26 08:46  

#49  For some sad reason I read this entire thread.

But the conclusion by 11A5S (at the time I was reading) was worth it. Nice. :)

GE is one of those typical Leftist tools that knows all about America and it's evil plots and is so over the top that he's got to be a fake... except that he's not. Always demanding answers yet never providing any (let alone proof beyond accusations) of their own.

GE, do you realize that your raving makes you come across as a cartoon? You really think you are going to convince anybody here with your false facts and wild conspiracies? Take a look around this site. Buried in all the snarky commenting there's years of insightful commentary on world events that you could discuss in a rational manner (Civil, well-reasoned discourse, eh?).

Instead you stroll in here and start gibbering like one of those pink paper mache puppet making fools and are mystified that nobody takes your religion political rants seriously.

Here's just reason why: If one of us right-wing Iraqi-children-killer-types was to pull a gag on the others here, sounding exactly like you do is a goal we'd strive for (and likely fail to reach).

Think about it.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats   2005-07-26 08:45  

#48  Succinct, as always, .com. Although you skipped the "Why do they hate us," whine the youngster mentioned. (I assume he's a youngster, the grown-ups are too busy working just now in his part of the world.) But of course, we know why the poor things hate us, and we don't really care. Not even me, not even when I wax philosophical while pouring out the tea.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-26 08:45  

#47  I know why "they" hate us. Because I hate you all! You socialists have 100,000,000 lives on your consciences during the last 100 years. Even if you add up all the bullshit propaganda estimates of US "killings" during the same time period, it only comes out to a small fraction of what you and your compatriots have murdered through action, inaction, or bad policy.

Now run along. There must be an AIDS quilt or an OXFAM meeting to attend somewhere.
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-07-26 08:44  

#46  Finally! The US Government controls the New York Times! Boy, I was worried GE might have a point or two. One only need wait long enough for the hysterical 'fact'. Goodbye, GE9235. Have a nice day.

Hey, maybe GE and MS are one in the same? Or just twin sons of different mothers ©?
Posted by: Bobby   2005-07-26 08:43  

#45  Lol. Ponce.

Rabid? Lol, again. You're merely boring and a bandwidth ass.

Yawn.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 08:43  

#44  Hey leave the Brit bit out of this, he doesn't represent the Brits point of view. So wind ure neck in!
Posted by: Shistos Shistadogloo   2005-07-26 08:38  

#43  Sigh. How boring and repetitive. It came back, armed with a load of text - it hasn't the blog manners to provide the link - it posts entire articles as it believes quantity = quality, same as with all trollish assholes.

Yet another ponce / poofta come down from on high (soma? crack? arrogance?) to educate the poor knuckle-draggers in the ways of the world. The only problem is that everything it posts is utter bullshit. When quoting or citing, it points to websites which are utter bullshit and looneytoon repositories - ranging from the obvious insane fuckwits to the "respected" institutional agenda-driven fuckwits. It pretends it is engaged in civil discourse, when it is merely mewling whatever Kool Aid Talking Points it last bought into at the local Moonbat Market. Discuss? Lol. With no shared reality, the overtly common vocabulary is as much a canard as the mind-boggling crap content it posts.

GE is merely today's mildly entertaining bandwidth-hogging personification of arrogance fuckwit. Devoid of anything resembling a grasp of reality to match the grasp of diction, totally submersed in stale Kool Aid, and believing itself to be beyond error - thus not discussing, merely spewing idiocy, injurious twice over for the absurdity of the condescending approach. It doesn't have a clue to whom it is lecturing, yet it is fully confident it is the Master of Fact and all here are mere foolish halflings in need of a good strapping. What an ass. Better yet, it's an ass that types - and delivers precisely what you'd expect an ass to deliver.

The boilerplate link was spot-on - it contains most of what the fool has dumped, thus far. Just think of the bandwidth it would've saved had it just posted, "Yes, indeed, that covers it... but it steals my vainglorious thunder." We would've commiserated and it could've then moved on to MoveOn.org or ToolsOfSoros.org for another load and dosage.

Poor GE. Although it's obvious you think yourself something of an authority, steeped as you are in al Guardian / Beeb style half-truths and agenda-driven swill, you're actually quite a mundane and pedestrian asstard. You see most of what you've posted is old hat - rather ugly transparently foolish hat, actually - thoroughly debunked many times over. We get a fool of the same precise self-absorbed asinine persuasion at least once a week - you're passé, son, not special or authoritative - hell, not even interesting. Rantburg wasn't in stasis before you arrived, we've been there, and laughed at your variety of manufactured tripe many times before. Do fuck off.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 08:36  

#42  Wow! GE, you are persistent. If you have a link for these supposed facts then post it. Otherwise this is juvenile agitprop. Make up stuff and post it and there enough idiots out there who will believe it. I suggest a forum where the idiot quotient is higher. There are many out there.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-07-26 08:35  

#41  Fuck GE, If you're going to come to an American site and insult us, at least use American slang, you fucking stupid piece of shit. Wankers my ass. The appropriate term is "jerk-offs."

You're so fucking stupid that you can't see the contradictions in your own arguments. So what is worse? Us starving 500,000 Iraqi kids or us killing 128,000 Iraqis through direct action. Oh shit, I'm sorry. Its always our fucking fault! Kids die in third world shithole? The US didn't relieve their debt so their corrupt rulers can take out a new set of loans to skim and load up their Cayman bank accounts. A country is in recession due to a failed industrial policy, then it must be because the IMF is supporting a strong dollar or a weak dollar or whatever the fuck it is that week. If terrorists attack somewhere, then it must be because at one point some CIA operative had a conversation with one of the group's members in a cafe in Beruit in 1989.

But what do I expect? The best part of you ran down your daddy's leg. The real sad part is that you're too fucking dense to do your own research and look beyond what the Guardian and Independent feed you. It's all just one big zero sum game out there, right. The US must be stealing because of its huge trade imbalance. I mean one of these days, you guys are going to figure it out and just plain flat bust us. Then you'll be rich and sell your products to... hmm... crap, I dunno. Your own second rate economies won't support that kind of consumption. Well then you'll create new jobs by, um well, I guess you can nationalize the steel industry again. And you'll grow the economy by stimulating... damn... your banks have the money markets so locked up through laws and regulations, individual investment in stocks and bonds is almost impossible for smallholders.

Wake up crypto-marxist dumbass! You need the US more than we need you. We've been growing the world economy for the last 50 years by assuming enormous risks. Just as we offered up our own people as hostages during the Cold War so you could whack off to Sartre and Derrida, so we've assumed huge risk to open our markets so that you could grow yours and achieve high growth and stability. You better hope the US economy doesn't collapse, Einstein, because if it does, I suspect that America will pull together and once again find a way through it while the rest of the world once again descends into facism and totalitarianism.

BTW, the whole "civil, well-reasoned discourse" thing is irony, you retard. Get it? Rantburg -- civil? But then I wouldn't expect a Brit to understand such subtle humor. Now buzz off. Don't you have something more important to do like bugger little boys or attend a peace rally?
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-07-26 08:28  

#40  GE -- first, the US military is no longer an occupying force; there is an Iraqi government in place. Secondly, there *are* birth and death certificates being issued and tracked. The Iraqi Health Ministry does it.

The problem is, the lunatic left doesn't like the numbers, so they make up their own. The stupid "100,000" number is an example of a made-up number. The actual "study" had a range of a few thousand to 200,000, so the authors took the average. Not scientific, not accurate -- but politically useful.

Finally, on the mass graves -- citing a year-old story is not a good idea. Particularly when it's one I've seen before, and I know it's one that has been intentionally misunderstood by the lunatic left. The 5,000 figure is not the number of bodies found, but those recovered and identified. In fact, single mass grave sites have been found that hold as many, and the total number is well over 300,000, and increasing.

From the NYTimes:

BAGHDAD, Iraq, April 14 - Investigators have discovered several mass graves in southern Iraq that are believed to contain the bodies of people killed by Saddam Hussein’s government, including one estimated to hold 5,000 bodies, Iraqi officials say.

The graves, discovered over the past three months, have not yet been dug up because of the risks posed by the continuing insurgency and the lack of qualified forensic workers, said Bakhtiar Amin, Iraq’s interim human rights minister. But initial excavations have substantiated the accounts of witnesses to a number of massacres. If the estimated body counts prove correct, the new graves would be among the largest in the grim tally of mass killings that have gradually come to light since the fall of Mr. Hussein’s government two years ago. At least 290 grave sites containing the remains of some 300,000 people have been found since the American invasion two years ago, Iraqi officials say.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-26 08:24  

#39  Well said, JFM.

Using racist terms, thats obviously worse than raping relatives in front of people, killing 8,000 of your relatives, using poison gas on towns and killing thousands of children, not to mention the mass graves.

What we genuinely don't get is how this is equivalent and constitutes a basis for argument. So how about you explain it to us?
Posted by: phil_b   2005-07-26 08:24  

#38  No doubt the kind of jokes my parents chose not to share with us children, and nobody else will explain now I'm grown. Oh, well. I've ever suffered from the curse of a sheltered childhood.

You do mean the U.N. sanctions, of course. I always found it odd France, Germany and Russia were so eager to break the U.N. sanctions they'd voted for in order to sell Saddam Hussein weapons systems and the ingredients and turn-key manufacturies for the very WMD the sanctions were designed to prevent. Ah, well, that's all coming out now as the Oil For Food investigations ordered up by Kofi Annan proceed at a gratifyingly quick pace. You'll find a great many articles on the subject in recent Rantburg archives, Grearong Elmurong9235. As for the mass graves, the Iraqi bloggers have reports and photos from a local perspective. I do believe there are links along the right hand side. And of course, the gentleman who wrote, pre-invasion, as Salman Pak, is writing for one of your British papers these days.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-26 08:16  

#37  Mr Gollum asked

Has Rantburg always been right wing like this?

We are for brown people getting democracy, for them not fearing their children beuing tortured, for them not living in misery and we are against the pseudo-left and true racists who soesn't acre about their fate, against those who don't care about the childrens of those brown people being raped by Saddam thugs as long as it advances the cause of our white multi-culti poseurs.

Anymore questions before you go home into the car paid by daddy?
Posted by: JFM   2005-07-26 08:09  

#36  Bottom line is though the US isn't doing body counts as required under the Geneva Convention

Where in the Geneva Conventions does it require a body count? I've read them, and could find no such requirement.

Oddly, though, lots of lunatic left sites around the web claim they're required. None seem to give a citation, either. Probably because, like much of what the lunatic left says about the Geneva Conventions, they're pulling that requirement out of their asses.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-26 08:00  

#35  Who are Timothy and Harold? Why does this Grearong Elmurong9235 person keep responding to people who don't seem to exist? And where are the mass graves filled with the post-invasion Iraqi dead to match the mass graves filled with Saddam Hussein's victims? Surely with so many AFP and BBC reporters wandering around the Iraqi landscape, they would be able to find the recently turned earth...
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-26 07:57  

#34  I suspect from GE's point of view, Hillary Clinton is right-wing!
Posted by: Bobby   2005-07-26 07:56  

#33  Be seeing you.
Let us know when you change names.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 07:46  

#32  Ah British Medicine.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 07:45  

#31  I'd forgotten about Uncle Harold. :) Definitely OxBridge?
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 07:43  

#30  It seems that one of my two hypotheses about Mr Glaurung was right. :-)
Posted by: JFM   2005-07-26 07:42  

#29  GE, I'm not an American, and I am sure you respect others cultural norms. So I am going to revert to my cultures norms. You are an ignorant fuckhead, so piss off and stop bothering people who are trying to intelligently discuss important world issues.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-07-26 07:30  

#28  Oups it was a typo it was not 390 but 30.

Anyone noticed the indiffernce of our racist petit-bourgeois to the lives of teh Irakis. How indifferent it is to those who are NOT being killed by Saddam? How it is America's fault and NOTR the fault of those who want the Irakis to live in slavery?

Tell me mr Glaerung? Why are so you frustrated? It is because you can't perform in bed or it is because your inc=vestment in Total-Fina-Elf shares has tanked?

Posted by: JFM   2005-07-26 07:28  

#27  Ah. So you go to a lot of websites like that. Figures.
Posted by: Dave D.   2005-07-26 07:21  

#26  That's the website you pointed us to in comment #19, citing it as authority for your Iraq casualty figures.
Posted by: Dave D.   2005-07-26 07:17  

#25  I think you all are missing the point of Mike S's post and his buddy GE9235. See, there are all these dead US soldiers -- HUGE numbers according to Jihad Unspun -- but no bodies for them are coming home and their families continue to get email and even streaming video sometimes. And all those dead Iraqis too.

See, here's the REAL deal: Halliburton is converting those bodies for a fuel source to replace oil. Takes a lot of them to run the prototype process, yes? So they have to fake them still being alive.

Employs a lot of those laidoff .com techies, too. One of Karl Rove / Rummy's better evil plots, I think. Not to mention classic American efficiency. Saddam just plowed his hundreds of thousands of dead into open pit graves.
Posted by: too true   2005-07-26 07:09  

#24  Check out GE9235's web site. It's got all sorts of authoritative reporting and insightful analysis. For instance, there's this little gem:

Karl Rove Seen at Homosexual Orgies in Washington

Walter Storch, editor of the Barnes Review News reported three weeks ago that "Karl Rove was seen by one of my people entering a private homosexual orgy at a five-star Washington hotel over the Mid-Atlantic Leather (MAL) weekend last year." [2004]

A Barnes reporter told Storch that "Karl greatly enjoyed the supervision of a certain hairy 350-lb. Leather Dominator who had won the Miss Virginia Daddy Bear title at the MAL festivities." [...]


ROFL!!!!!
Posted by: Dave D.   2005-07-26 07:08  

#23  Mr Grearong

If 128,000 Irakis heve been killed why aren't you complaining to your friends the Islamo-nazis?

It was not an american bomb who killed the 390 children the other day, it was an Islamo-nazi bomb.

The truth is that you couldn't care less about the Irakis just as your predecessors couldn't care less about the Vietnamese and Cambodains who were gneocided due to their action. They didn't cared because, then Vietnamese and Cambodiann today Irakis are not people for the racist well-born bourgeois of Berkeley and Europe: they are only pawns to sacrifice for the fulfillment of your petty dreams and the appeasement of your petty frustrations.

Third world people shouldn't be damned to a life of poverty, fear and torture for the pelasure of the bunch of losers who supported Saddam, and before that Pol Pot and before that Mao and before that...
Posted by: JFM   2005-07-26 07:07  

#22  The internal market of the US protects it against a weak dollar, foreign holders won't be so lucky.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 07:05  

#21  Besides with have the secret f-11 recon craft.
Posted by: J Rubenstein   2005-07-26 07:02  

#20  Endearing? Damn I didn't realize that was the desired outcome.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 06:58  

#19  Devalue the buck and who gets the burn?
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 06:57  

#18  GE, you are clearly a Leftist moron, but nonetheless I will answer your question. The interuption of oil supply from the middle east will be a devastating economic event everywhere in the world, billions will get poorer, millions will go hungry, millions of kids won't go to school, prostitution will increase and these people will be in developing countries, but of course you don't care about real people because it doesn't fit your banal/idiotic conspiracist worldview. I despise people like you.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-07-26 06:56  

#17  Like? the Euro maybe? Rubble? Peso? Canadian dollar? Doesn't matter, you can't collect.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 06:56  

#16  Illegal War? Brussels angry? Kofi in a kilter? So what. Your type is powerless.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 06:55  

#15  We are living on borrowed money, good news is no collection agency in the world will come knocking. That's the beauty of the empire.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 06:52  

#14  
hi rex
Posted by: Shipman   2005-07-26 06:41  

#13  OK, I'm going to start on a schtick that has been bugging me for a while. The reality is the rest of the world 'free rides' on many things the USA does. The list is long, everything from weather forecasts, drug development and GPS through to basic scientific reasearch where more than half occurs in the USA.

The reality is that the USA is protecting the world's oil supply in Iraq, even though it is way down the list of beneficiaries. Beware of what you wish for, you may get it.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-07-26 06:41  

#12  killed over 123,000 Iraqis

Bullshit. That's complete bullshit.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-26 06:21  

#11  It would be interesting to know how many of Rantburg's lurkers were involved in writing the sterling bit of prose Grearong Elmurong9235 quotes, but not enough to ask him/her/it/them (we mustn't be judgemental, after all!) to reveal himself/themselves. In my dreams I see classically suited but harassed looking bureaucrats explaining to Grearong Elmurong9235 that it does no good to use a couple of indisputable facts as the basis for spinning an absurd conspiracy theory. After all, most of Europe and Japan, amongst many other nations, are significantly more dependent on OPEC oil from the Middle East. The majority of America's oil imports come from Canada and Mexico, followed by Venezuela. So, if we were to take over a country to secure our own oil imports, Canada would be our best bet ... and much easier to control besides. Can you imagine Canadian suicide bombers crashing an airplane into the American side of Niagara Falls in an attempt to terrorize us into submission?
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-26 06:12  

#10  Christ, who pissed in your lentils?
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-07-26 05:50  

#9  GE fool & rump buddie ms tool,

All your crude belong to us.
Posted by: Halliburton oil acquisition division   2005-07-26 04:18  

#8  That was pretty pathetic, GE. Really pathetic.

Here, learn from The Master.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 04:00  

#7  Right...steal its natural resources..I suppose we're carrying these barrels of oils in getaway cars and trucks too eh? Never mention that oh Iraq is getting paid for its oil production, never mention that oil costs in iraq are less than 50 cents a gallon or that its actually SUBSIDIZED there on top of that? Yeah remind me again about the natural resources.
Posted by: Valentine   2005-07-26 03:54  

#6  Lol, our Minimum Recommended Daily Requirement of Fuckwit Moonbat Dementia is met.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 03:52  

#5  Somebody took a damn good swig of that Kool-aid!
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-07-26 03:49  

#4  Either MS doesn't understand what enemy propaganda is, or he eagerly repeats it.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever)   2005-07-26 03:30  

#3  

Imer msHoover filer mi upps wit loathing.

Posted by: Glaiting Hupeath5240   2005-07-26 02:59  

#2  I understand you, but it's not that deep, Raj. ;-)
Posted by: .com   2005-07-26 01:18  

#1  You really do hate the U.S. military, don't you?
Posted by: Raj   2005-07-26 01:08  

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