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Britain
Experts hail 'forensic goldmine'
2005-07-22
As the search for evidence continues after Thursday's London blasts, experts feel the unexploded devices will provide a wealth of clues. Similarities between the latest attacks and those of 7 July suggest there might be a connection. Detailed chemical analyses are expected to reveal why the bombs did not go off. Investigators also hope to get help from a number of passengers who witnessed the failed attacks and described the suspects to the media.
Early indications suggest Thursday's incidents and those of a fortnight ago may have been masterminded by the same group. Clues pointing in this direction include the type of rucksacks used to carry the bombs around, the chosen targets - three Tube trains and one bus at compass points on the travel network - and the type of explosive itself, said the BBC's Mark Urban. The head of the Metropolitan Police, Sir Ian Blair, said the new attacks were meant to cause mass casualties.

But why did all the devices fail to detonate? Speaking on BBC Two's Newsnight programme, Mike Granatt - a government counter-terrorism adviser - said the science of bomb making was not precise. "People who are doing things in a hurry and under tension get things wrong - and thank God they appear to have got things wrong," he said.
Thank God for human stupidity.
He added that the clues left behind by the bombers, including fingerprints on the rucksacks, might provide investigators with a "forensic goldmine". "Unlike the fingertip forensic search we saw in Tavistock Square which went on for days, they (the police) have got something complete, they've got the fingerprints on there possibly," he said. "They've got other material on there, they can take a look at it, compare it and try and trace back the materials that were used to make the bomb and indeed the signature of the bomb maker."

Former government intelligence analyst Crispin Black said the chance to examine the bombs themselves was "forensic bingo", saying: "This is as good as it gets." In addition, Dame Pauline Neville Jones - who formerly chaired the Joint Intelligence Committee - believes the forensic trail would "lead back to real knowledge". But she warned that tracking down the terrorists might take a long time. "You build up an intelligence picture of something which is as complex and as potentially widespread as the sort of threat that we face only slowly and only very carefully," she told Newsnight. "I think the resources will be thrown to this task in a manner which means that we won't allow ourselves years to do it." Thousands of police officers are involved in the hunt.

Roy Ramm, former Commander of Specialist Operations for the Met police, said police had an amazing opportunity to find the bombers. "These devices haven't detonated so the evidence remains intact," he said. "They'll want to take these bombs apart in most minute details. They'll be looking at everything from sticky tape that may have held a detonator to the bomb to see if there's fingerprints on the back of that. "They'll be looking for fragments of DNA - we know that people have been convicted of robbery on one hair or fragment of dandruff - so these are very powerful investigative tools."
Let's use the forensics for more than just 'law enforcement'.
Police will be hoping that numerous apparent sightings of the suspects will also help boost the investigation. Each of the failed bombings were witnessed by passengers. Several of them described the attackers as "scared" or "surprised" as their bombs failed to cause a proper explosion. Kate Reid, who was involved in the Oval accident, said she was on the train when she heard a "pop" as if a big balloon had burst before seeing a young-looking, dark-skinned man with a bag at his feet who looked "really scared".
Either it went off before he expected it to, or he was surprised he was still alive.
Witnesses also described how the suspects were chased by other passengers as they made their way to the exits. One passenger told BBC News that he put his foot out to try to trip one of them up but failed. Another, Hugo Palit, who was walking into Warren Street Tube station, said he saw "a guy coming out and people chasing him". He described him as "a bit confused, looking right and left".
"Feet, don't fail me now!"
Posted by:Steve

#16  Seems to me I read a story some time ago about CIA, MI5, Mossad leaking out phony plastic explosives and det caps. Could this be some of their stuff?

Unlikely. The terrs prefer to mix their own, because that way they don't have to worry about sting operations. It's also easier to proclaim innocence when you're caught with a bunch of raw materials -- even when it's bomb related -- than it is with the explosives themselves.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-22 15:30  

#15  Seems to me I read a story some time ago about CIA, MI5, Mossad leaking out phony plastic explosives and det caps. Could this be some of their stuff? I wonder if we would be told if it was? That would be great wouldnt it?
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2005-07-22 14:14  

#14  That exclamation was made by a passer-by when the failed bomber was running away.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever)   2005-07-22 13:21  

#13  Wasn't there a report about a boomer exclaiming as he ran for his life, "What's wrong with these people"?

Sounds more like, "Why are they chasing me? I thought they were women and sheep!"

You moron. They're British, not Spanish!
Posted by: Bobby   2005-07-22 13:10  

#12  I wish at least one of these failed bombers had been caught by the public. It would be a wonderful tonic, and put jihadis on notice that they're at risk wherever they go and try to perform jihadist rituals of mass-murder.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever)   2005-07-22 12:51  

#11  I wonder whether the apparent surprise of the would-be terrorists was because their bombs didn't go off as planned or, rather, because they were surprised they were going off too early

No.

Two weeks ago, before the 7/7 attacks, we could argue if they didn't know their fate. Two weeks after 7/7? I don't buy it.

Infinitely more likely -- they knew that, if their bombs didn't explode:

1) They were no longer guaranteed their raisins.

2) The crowd might just tear them to shreds, a fate that's likely more painful than instant vaporization at the heart of a bomb.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-22 12:36  

#10  Kalle - you need to apologize to savage beasts everywhere for comparing them to this pond scum.

(Oops - apologies to pond scum everywhere, too.)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2005-07-22 12:24  

#9  I hope they find them and capture at least one of them alive.

Make these savage beasts sing.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever)   2005-07-22 11:12  

#8  They're all in France or Ireland by now, most likely.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-07-22 11:06  

#7  I wonder whether the apparent surprise of the would-be terrorists was because their bombs didn't go off as planned or, rather, because they were surprised they were going off too early (having been told by their handlers that the mission was a drop, NOT suicide). This would also explain their scared reaction, would it not?
Posted by: mjh   2005-07-22 10:27  

#6  Thqat would be even more tragic.

/sarcasm
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-07-22 09:58  

#5  not just apartments, palladin

bomb components could have been stored in mosques or islamic schools or islamic community centers
Posted by: mhw   2005-07-22 09:54  

#4  It will be interesting to see if apartments in London start combusting spontaneously.
Posted by: Palladin   2005-07-22 09:45  

#3  The A-team of terrorists spends lots of time and energy learning about bombmaking, working on components and rehearsing the electronics.

The B-team, C-team, etc. rely on the all merciful Allah to guide the hand of the bombers and to allow them to kill many infidels.
Posted by: mhw   2005-07-22 09:39  

#2  Several of them described the attackers as "scared" or "surprised" as their bombs failed to cause a proper explosion. Kate Reid, who was involved in the Oval accident, said she was on the train when she heard a "pop" as if a big balloon had burst before seeing a young-looking, dark-skinned man with a bag at his feet who looked "really scared".

I guess they were afraid they'd lose their 72 raisins.
Posted by: Bobby   2005-07-22 09:22  

#1  Methinks some folks are going to have maybe not so unexpected visitors at their homes in the next 48 hours. We'll hear stories of the same old "good lads" and their morality and politeness from friends, spouses and family. Apologists will bemoan the foreign policy evils that, understandibly, makes for sociopathic boomers. We'll hear statements about how religion's got nothing to do with it but rather it's the Root Causes. And by the way, Pakistan doesn't have anything at all to do with it anyway, right?
Posted by: MunkarKat   2005-07-22 09:21  

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