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| Iraqi muslin blogger says the Quran may be the problem |
| 2005-07-17 |
| This particular blogger was quiet for quite a while (Apr 30 until July 13).. Obviously he was doing some serious thinking. He has come up with a solution similar to that which several sects, e.g., Ismaili and Ahmiyadas have also developed. --------------- ...I just want to discuss why the suicide attacks always done by Muslims? Have you ever heard a Christian or someone from any other religion bombed him/herself? NO... So there is a big wrong in this religion itself. Wrong in its ‘holy book’ and in the Hadiths (sayings of Mohammed) which are the base of terror nowadays because some of Islamic sects follow what the hadiths say literally and apply it to ‘raise the banner of Islam’. We should not blame the happy Mujahid who has ‘a heart full of love and belief in God and the prophet’ who runs towards the ‘infidels’ with a smile of victory and green card to the paradise, this Mujahid is brainwashed and deceived by the ones who control him using the Quran and the hadiths..*you can get many different explanations of the Quran and Hadiths to the same verse because they are not clear enough to be explained directly, this is the problem in dealing with those two*. And if they really exist, so there might be many verses been added during those hundreds of years..yes? I think if many verses had been cancelled and never been said, the Islamic mind would be much better. Or if all those clerics from different sects have brains even as small as the beans, meet together and represent the majority of Islamic society and try to put an end to such verses or explain them in another way like regarding them as old ones and they must not be applied nowadays. I think, the world will be much more peaceful and quiet. I know it is difficult, and saying it is so easy, but this is the only way to stop this illness which will destroy this religion first then 'its enemies'.. One might say that those fundamentalists do not represent Islam and they are only a small group..blah..blah..blah.. So why there are a lot of their silent supporters in many Islamic and Arabic countries and others who feel proud of OBL and Zarqawi..I watched religious men and political analysts on the TV who stand side by side with those terrorists and give them the right to do whatever they do.... |
| Posted by:mhw |
| #10 Waddya mean "may"? |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2005-07-17 20:17 |
| #9 let me say first that I don't really consider the Ismaelis and the Ahmayadis to be that great. They each have pluses (the most obvious plus being the fact that they have found a way to abstain from violent jihad by interpreting some verses in the Koran to be time or time/space limited)and minuses. What is important however, is the thought process. Once moslems realize they need to do something about the Koran, it is only a few more steps to realizing that Koran isn't true in the literal 9th century way. This would undercut much of the momentum behind the jihadis. It would also give breathing space for lots of introspection. Alas, this blogger is only one fellow. I know a number of moslems who feel the same but they are afraid to voice their opinions. |
| Posted by: mhw 2005-07-17 17:23 |
| #8 RC: NB that the Hashishin got stoned out of their minds before they went on their murder sprees. Today's jihadis do much the same thing. The assassins of old used to kill political and military leaders. Jihadis slaughter innocents. That's the primary difference. Assassins used to be slow-roasted and flayed to death. Jihadis merely blow themselves up. Big difference. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2005-07-17 17:11 |
| #7 The Ismaili sect gave rise to the Hashishin (the original "Assassins"), whose primary tactic was to kill Sunni leaders in as public a place as possible - usually at Friday prayers. NB that the Hashishin got stoned out of their minds before they went on their murder sprees. Today's jihadis do much the same thing. Whatever differences you think there are between the Muslims of then and now, there's more similarity than we like to think. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-07-17 15:31 |
| #6 Not all homocidal kooks are Muslims - Tim McVeigh, Jim Jones, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao. The Muslim community does stand apart in its innovation of generating spodedopes via assembly line type effeciency. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2005-07-17 15:23 |
| #5 mhw is making an implicit claim that these two sects are somehow better for freedom from Islamofascism. I'd like to see evidence of that. I'm not going to Google all over the net in the vague hope that maybe I'll find something or other. Either there is evidence for the claim that the Ismaili are better for us (e.g. they reject taqiya, jihad and sharia), or there isn't. I'm willing to learn about them, if I have reason to think it's worthwhile. |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 15:07 |
| #4 Kalle The best source for knowing about Muslim sects is Google. Just get your spelling right: it is Ismaelis, Ahmadiyas. Check also for the Quadianites. In case you have satellite TV one of those sects broadcasts on HotBird (they are easy to identify: they wear Indian-style turbans instead of Arabic-style) About Assassins since they killed Sunni Muslim leadersand imams it perhaps a not so bad idea to incite Muslims to imitate them. Anyway whatever the Ismaelis were on XIIth century since then they have revised their doctrine and no longer practice violence, they don't turn to the nearest mountain for prayers instead of Mecca, treat their women unusally well for Muslims, drink alcohol and I think, don't take the Koran as the true and only holy book (I could be wrong about this). |
| Posted by: JFM 2005-07-17 12:39 |
| #3 The Ahmadiyya Moslems seem to distinguish themselves by debating the finality of their prophet. BUT do they reject taqiya, jihad, and sharia? Otherwise I don't see much value to us in that sect's hair-splitting difference. |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 12:24 |
| #2 The Ismaili sect gave rise to the Hashishin (the original "Assassins"), whose primary tactic was to kill Sunni leaders in as public a place as possible - usually at Friday prayers. Do we really want Moslems to take that sect as an inspiration? |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 12:19 |
| #1 Can you recommend an online resource to find out more about what these two sects have done? |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 11:32 |