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UK cleric Abu Hamza's trial opens
2005-07-05
Radical Islamic cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri has appeared in a London court on charges including encouraging the murder of Jews and other non-Muslims. Tuesday had been set for the start of Abu Hamza's trial, but the first session was taken up with legal arguments, which are expected to continue all week. Court orders forbid any reporting of the arguments, which take place without a jury present. Abu Hamza, wearing a blue smock and with neatly trimmed gray hair and beard, was surrounded by four guards as he stood in the dock at the Central Criminal Court. He pleaded innocent to all charges at a hearing in January. "From my point of view and Abu Hamza's point of view, we don't see Muslims as terrorists, we see the Western governments as the real terrorists," the cleric's spokesman, Abu Abdullah, said in a telephone interview. "Blair and Bush have killed more people in Iraq and Afghanistan than Osama bin Laden is accused of killing. Who are the real terrorists?"
Good argument, Einstein. Make sure you use it in court, now...
British prosecutors charged Abu Hamza, Britain's highest-profile Islamic radical, on October 19, pre-empting a U.S. bid to extradite him on terrorism-related charges. Under British law the domestic charges, which carry a maximum sentence of life in prison, take precedence over the extradition case. The Egyptian-born cleric -- who has one eye and hooks for hands, which he says were lost fighting Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s -- was arrested in May 2004 after U.S. authorities charged him with trying to establish a terrorist training camp in the western U.S. state of Oregon, involvement in hostage-taking in Yemen and funding terrorism training in Afghanistan. The United States plans to resume the extradition case once he is convicted or cleared of the British charges. He faces trial on 15 counts, including nine of soliciting to murder. Most of those counts accuse him of encouraging the murder of non-Muslims but one charges him with soliciting the murder of Jewish people. He also faces four counts of using threatening or abusive language designed to stir racial hatred, one count of possessing threatening or abusive recordings and one count of possessing a document likely to be useful in terrorism -- the "Encyclopedia of the Afghani Jihad."
Posted by:Steve

#16  Isn't HookBoy wanted for baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad things in Yemen? That is where he needs to go and let the authorities lather 'im up before he becomes sport for crows.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-07-05 22:13  

#15  That's the old meaning of trolling, isn't it, OP? ;-)
Posted by: .com   2005-07-05 22:06  

#14  I really think Britain should extradite him. They need to fly him to the United States by C-130 (the UK has a couple of squadrons, I believe). The flight should be made "low and slow" at 200 feet/180kt, with Abu Hazma dragging behind on a 500-foot tether. Once he gets to the United States, we can either try him or bury him, depending on how much is left.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-07-05 21:58  

#13  I doubnbt he will get a custodial sentence. These charges were brought to keep him from being extradited. Life in prison only means 7 years most of the time anyhow.

A bullet in the head, be done with this pig feces.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom   2005-07-05 15:16  

#12  Or understood. I really need to reinstall .com's spellcheck thingy one of these days.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-05 13:34  

#11  Need to check his claims history at Mutual of Gaza.
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-07-05 13:28  

#10  Two hands and an eye sounds more like a badly made IED that exploded while he was assembling it...which is generally done far from the battlefield. Or so I've always ybderstood.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-07-05 13:23  

#9  Just shoot the silly bugger and have done with it.
Posted by: Clive Brit   2005-07-05 12:29  

#8  The legal system is not well suited to dealing with a hate spewing mangled old shell of a human being like Abu. Poor bugger sees us all as the real terrorists yet he has no problem living among us and enjoying the benefits of our form of society. Back home his life expectancy would have been reached a long time ago. Funny how those things go. Wonder what mental gymnastics make it possible in his small mind. I hope he gets convicted and then kicks the bucket before the English taxpayers have to spend another Pound on his sorry carcass.
Posted by: Tkat   2005-07-05 11:22  

#7  Thanks Howard!
Posted by: ed   2005-07-05 11:14  

#6  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3954071.stm

I presume that it was a case of the Friday "kill all the infidel sons of pigs and monkeys" sermon I don't think this extremist view is entertained at more mainstream mosques (!). The fact that he ended up spouting his vitriol in the street (after FP mosque was closed) to all and sundry may have helped to land him in hot water.
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-07-05 11:11  

#5  Does anyone have more info about the solicitation for murder, like being recorded ordering to kill so and so, or is more the Friday "kill all the infidel sons of pig and monkeys" sermon? If the latter, why aren't all the mullahs in lockup?
Posted by: ed   2005-07-05 10:56  

#4  Lol - get 'im Howard!

Cleric, yeah right.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-05 10:19  

#3  The Egyptian-born cleric -- who has one eye and hooks for hands, which he says were lost fighting Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s...

Yeah riiiiight, Abu, and I got the scar on my cheek is due to being shaved by a sniper's bullet when I was at Khartoum with Gordon. C'mon now, someone chopped em off for base thievery you scally. If he's guilty can we just watch him try to bake a cake on national TV. Better still have him in competition with Stevie Wonder. Shame the Pope's gone too...
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-07-05 10:13  

#2  oops - that was me, Lance is busy....
Posted by: Frank G   2005-07-05 10:06  

#1  I'd just as soon beat this POS to death with a ball-peen hammer. They play our societal rules for all they're worth....
Posted by: Lance Armstrong   2005-07-05 10:05  

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