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Britain Considers Energy Rationing to Meet Kyoto Obligations
2005-06-21
EFL:
British residents could face a form of energy rationing within the next decade under proposals currently being studied to reduce the U.K.'s carbon dioxide emissions to comply with the Kyoto Protocol. Under the proposals, known as Domestic Tradable Quotas (DTQs), every individual would be issued a "carbon card," from which points would be deducted every time the cardholder purchased fossil fuel, for example, by filling up a car or taking a flight. Over time, the number of points allotted to each card would decline. High-energy users would be able to purchase points from low-energy users, with the end result being a trading market in carbon similar to the one already in place in the U.K. for industrial users.
Or, you could just freeze in the dark like a good little peon
A report set to be released this week by the Sustainable Development Commission, which advises Prime Minister Tony Blair on environmental issues, will recommend that by 2007, the British government should seriously consider introducing DTQs. The report, a draft copy of which was obtained by Cybercast News Service, calls for more research into how the proposals would work in practice. British Environment Minister Elliott Morley said in a telephone interview that the DTQ plan, also called personal carbon allowances, is one of several being considered by the government. "Personal carbon allowances are a very attractive intellectual idea," he said.
And everyone knows the intellectuals know what's best for you
"The implementation would potentially be very expensive, but that shouldn't stop us from looking at the arguments," he said. Morley said the government was also considering a straightforward carbon tax, and acknowledged that the complexity of a centrally run system could be a major barrier. "There is a big job involved in explaining the idea of carbon allowances to the public (but) we shouldn't rule any idea out just on this basis," he said.
"We'll implement it and explain why it doesn't work later"
One of Britain's leading scientists looking into the proposals characterized DTQs as a form of rationing and said the project would start from a point of strict equality in the allocation of "carbon points," despite wide current disparities in individual energy usage. "Every individual, whether you're the Queen or someone living in a poor neighborhood, will get the same carbon allocation," said Kevin Anderson of the Tyndall Center at the University of Manchester.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
"We have to get far more personal in the ways we tackle carbon emissions," Challen said in a phone interview. "A voluntary approach will only get through to about 20 percent of the population." Challen said his proposals have support among senior government officials in the U.K.'s Department for the Environment, Food and Silly Walks Rural Affairs, but said that some ministers were "understandably wary" of a mandatory plan with potentially sweeping economic consequences. Researchers also have suggested that the plan could be linked to the Blair administration's proposed mandatory ID card, a controversial bill that is scheduled to be reconsidered in Parliament later this month. A proposal to issue every U.K. resident with a card containing biometric information such as fingerprints and an iris scan was opposed by the Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties in the last legislative term, and the bill failed after time ran out.
Envision having to have an iris scan before turning up the thermostat in your house
Anti-card campaigners have expressed worries about the possibility that the vast majority of U.K. energy transactions would be logged in a central database.
Well, of course they will. I mean. what's the point of having all that data without using it. Then they can check and see if you are a good energy saver and drag you into court if you aren't
"There's clearly many other ways such a (carbon trading) scheme could be offered without adding the massive bureaucracy of an ID card system," said Michael Parker, spokesman for the NO2ID group. However, the plan's proponents suggest that the rationing system could be implemented within the decade. "I'm not a betting man, but I think this could realistically be up and running within four to ten years," Anderson said.
Unless the peasents tire of your ways and opt for pitchforks and rope
Posted by:Steve

#18  Not to worry! It'll be like 1946. I for one will send our allies a fine ham and a pound or two of quality candy.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-06-21 19:11  

#17  phil_b - and the "personal carbon credits" (and the deprivation for average people they will entail) won't?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2005-06-21 16:07  

#16  Spot is right and technically what they are doing is creating a new form of money which is restricted to the purchase of energy. I am reasonably sure I know why this idea has been floated, which is that restricting demand by increasing the price isn't working (enough). One has only to look at the current price of oil to see this is a general phenomena. Increasing the price of energy to the point it restricts demand sufficiently to meet Kyoto would cause riots and a severe recession/depression.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-06-21 16:03  

#15  I'm wondering when the wonderful British population will get sick of this shit and overthrow these morons.
Posted by: mmurray821   2005-06-21 15:15  

#14   The wealthy will just buy up carbon credits
Well, isn't that what Kofi and Third World tyrants hope will take place on a worldwide scale in order for Kyoto to be deemed "successful?" Kyota was the brainchild of Kofi's sidekick, Morris Strong, communist China lover par excellence- no accident that China, bigtime polluter, is exempt from Kyoto. That Blair is still twisting GWB's wrist about this hoax of a treaty is very irritating.
Posted by: Thotch Glesing2372   2005-06-21 14:56  

#13  I see a great opportunity in dried cow dung futures. That, or guillotine sales.
Posted by: ed   2005-06-21 14:06  

#12  Are you sure this crap was thought up in London?

Sounds more like Brussels to me....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2005-06-21 13:45  

#11  What, these guys never heard of a black market? Because they just created one.
Posted by: mojo   2005-06-21 13:16  

#10  Bulldog, just remember that you have an open invitation to flee the tyranny of the UK and settle in the colonies with us. I live in California and we threw out the Gov when he started to "ration" (another word for brown outs) electricity. Not that they would be moved to build a NEW power plant or two, but that is a nother story.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2005-06-21 13:00  

#9  sorry you have to deal with it Bulldog. We have enough of our own loons here to understand.
Posted by: 2b   2005-06-21 12:21  

#8  Look on the bright side guys - Cherie wouldn't be able to fly over to bore poor 'merkins to tears with her interminable speeches. Oh, I forget - this rationing stuff woouldn't ever apply to our Esteemed Socialist Overlords.
Posted by: Bulldog   2005-06-21 12:19  

#7  A proposed massive govt game of fool yourself. The wealthy will just buy up carbon credits or say AMF to Britain and leave. Like I said before, Kyoto will be dead in 5 years when all the bad science and aritmetic comes home to roost to the signers.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-06-21 11:06  

#6  Papers, please.
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-06-21 10:14  

#5  Under the proposals, known as Domestic Tradable Quotas (DTQs), every individual would be issued a "carbon card," from which points would be deducted every time the cardholder purchased fossil fuel, for example, by filling up a car or taking a flight.

Sheesh...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-06-21 10:11  

#4  no wonder they don't want anyone armed
Posted by: Frank G   2005-06-21 09:54  

#3  Just what I was thinking Dave D
Seems like the polis are thinking, "Well, Koyoto hasn't hamstrung our economy enough, let's do more! Energy rationing for everyone!"
Posted by: mmurray821   2005-06-21 09:32  

#2  Two words: free market.
We already have such "points"; they're called dollars/pounds/euros/etc. A free, open market (which includes all costs) for energy goods and usage does the same thing and without all the bullsh*t. But hey, then the envirowacko "intellectuals" couldn't control how to live so I guess it won't be done.
Posted by: Spot   2005-06-21 09:31  

#1  Bet this'll do wonders for the British economy, won't it?
Posted by: Dave D.   2005-06-21 09:18  

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