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Home Front: Culture Wars
Noted statesman Bob Geldof urges G8 protests
2005-06-01
BOB GELDOF was yesterday accused of being "irresponsible" by a senior police officer after he invited hundreds of thousands of protesters to the G8 summit in Edinburgh. The prospect of "up to a million people" descending on the capital for an event that has already prompted security fears has infuriated local authorities and Lothian and Borders Police, who warned that such a massive influx could "end in tragedy".
Especially if ANSWER and the WWP are there, and they will be.
At a press conference to launch Live 8, Geldof urged every man, woman and child in Britain to give up work and school and march in their thousands to a rally in Edinburgh on 6 July, in an attempt to influence the G8 summit of world leaders. Geldof said Britain had an opportunity "to do something unparalleled in the world, and especially at the beginning of the 21st century, and that is to tilt the world a little bit on its axis in favour of the poor". Eradicating poverty in Africa could be momentous work for the leaders of the world's richest nations, he said. "It is intellectually absurd that people die of want in a world of surplus."
Seems intellectually absurd that a continent — an entire continent — remains mired in poverty and ignorance due to the near uniform ineptitude and rapacity of its native ruling classes. It's not the civilized world's fault that Zim-Bob-we, formerly the breadbasket of Africa, has managed to reintroduce starvation. It's not the civilized world's fault that the Congo, chock full of diamonds, gold, and other riches, has never managed to make it out of internecine warfare, hereditary rule, and even cannibalism. It's not the fault of the civilized world that Somalia can't even set up a blasted government, fergawdsake.
He had been reluctant to repeat the Live Aid of 1985, but said that this time the aim was "political justice".
The vast amounts of money raised by Live Aid '85 went missing, right into the bank accounts and armories of the Ethiopian klepto-thugocrats.
Whence it was recycled to Switzerland the the Caymans.
Instead of asking for cash for charities, he was asking people to "get to Edinburgh, get up there". He continued: "Give up two days of work and there is a chance that maybe, just maybe, you can change things. What's better - two days of work? Two days of geometry? Or participating in something you will remember all your life?"
Bringing the UK economy to a grinding halt for two days is a good way to destroy the resources the Western countries can provide to Africa, dingbat. Are you giving away your concert tickets for free? Didn't think so.
In his inimitable style, the singer warned the G8 leaders that they should sit up and take notice. "If you're not prepared to do that, you're not welcome in my country," he said. "If anyone won't come to our party, they can f*** off." Midge Ure, fellow Live Aid founder and organiser of Live 8 in Scotland, predicted "tens of thousands" of dupes fools rubes dingbats people would turn up in the capital.
They always do for G8 conferences, don't they?
He called for the protests to take the shape of the Ban The Bomb demos in the Sixties: "Go there, be part of it. This is something special. We may never have the opportunity of having these people on our shores again." There was talk of "planes, trains, buses" and even a flotilla of boats to transport protesters north of the Border, but few details had been worked though, Ure admitted.
Not real big on oraganization, are they -- that's why ANSWER is able to pull off their stunts.
He acknowledged that the local authorities were "scared", but he called on the people of Scotland to open their doors to the protesters. "We want every church, synagogue, mosque to open their doors and let people in. Scotland has an amazing history of being big-hearted, we are big-hearted and we mean well. Let these people into your spare room, garage, your garden."
So that they can trash the place and leave you big-hearted people holding the bag.
When asked if Edinburgh could handle a million protesters, Geldof said he didn't see a problem if people were well-behaved. "You will get a few looney toons, but, as Midge Ure says, it will be a party. But how disgraceful to behave like a twat in the face of such poverty. Let's calm down and let's get things done." However, a senior officer at Lothian and Borders Police said that the city's accommodation was fully booked during the summit and would not cope with a surge of protesters.
"Sorry, old man! We're all booked up!"
"Try the French Riviera. It's warmer and you won't stand out as much."
When asked if Geldof had been "irresponsible" with his invitation, the officer said he had. Yesterday, Assistant Chief Constable Ian Dickenson, head of G8-related events in the Lothian and Borders Police area, warned: "We cannot allow the policing capability or any infrastructure to be overwhelmed and compromise the safety of those involved." In a statement issued after the Live 8 launch, Mr Dickenson said: "We were already planning for more than 100,000 people to take part in the Make Poverty History march, which would have been the biggest event ever in Scotland. Now there has been talk of up to a million people coming to Edinburgh but, frankly, it is difficult to conceive how they could all get to this area in the first place and where they could assemble in safety. Crowds of this size are potentially hazardous. No-one wants tragedy to distract world attention from the real aims of the campaigners." He added: "It is one thing to mobilise tens of thousands of compassionate people with good intentions in an organised event. It is something else to manage such numbers without organisation, accommodation or support." Donald Anderson, the leader of Edinburgh City Council, said the council would have to "go back to the drawing board to ensure there is sufficient campsite space in the city". He also warned that people intending to come to Edinburgh "need to ensure they have made arrangements to stay". At the launch of Live 8 in the Grosvenor House Hotel in Park Lane, which was also attended by Sir Elton John, one of the original Live Aid acts, Geldof said he hoped the concert would put pressure on world leaders at the G8 summit into dropping Third World debt. The concerts, featuring Madonna, Paul McCartney, REM, Elton John, Robbie Williams, The Cure and Razorlight, will be held in five cities - London, Berlin, Rome, Paris and Philadelphia. They have been organised in support of the Make Poverty History campaign, an alliance of UK charities, trade unions and other organisations. The Pope, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama are due to be asked by Geldof to address the audience during the main concert, possibly by satellite link. The campaign focuses on three areas: debt, aid and trade. Organisers believe Western governments should cancel the debt of the poorest countries, increase international aid by at least $50 billion (£27 billion) per year and end export subsidies which would stop big businesses from profiting at the expense of poor communities.
Sigh. Big businesses give poor families jobs, at least in those areas where there's such a thing as property rights. In the areas where there aren't property rights, the poor go right on being poor...
Let's cancel the debt for Somalia, Zim-bob-we and the Congo. Should clear things right up ...
Richard Curtis, the director of Four Weddings and a Funeral, who is a spokesman for the campaign, said: "World poverty is sustained not by chance or nature, but by a combination of factors: injustice in global trade, the huge burden of debt, and insufficient and ineffective aid. Each of these is exacerbated by inappropriate economic policies imposed by rich countries."
I can remember when Japan was a bombed out hulk of a nation, noted for its export of cheap knock-offs, when "Made in Japan" meant cheesy. I can remember when South Korea was a war-ravaged mostly agricultural backwater. I can remember when Taiwan was no great shakes, mainly notable for its seemingly never-ending crisis over Quemoy and Matsu. The Thailand I remember was a land of agriculture, with water buffaloes and occasionally elephants roaming the streets. I can remember when Malaysia was poor and backwards, and I can remember being admonished to eat all my dinner and to think of the starving children in India. Somehow all of them managed to overcome those injustices in global trade, their own loads of debt, and the inefficiencies of aid programs. Bob missed all that, I guess. Maybe he wasn't paying attention back then.
Each day 50,000 people die as a result of extreme poverty, he said. Curtis added: "If 50,000 people died in London on Monday, in Rome on Tuesday, in Berlin on Wednesday, in New York on Thursday and in Paris on Friday, the G8 leaders in Gleneagles would find the money and the solution to the problem as they walked from the front door to the reception desk."
Posted by:Seafarious

#14  The issue at hand is whether more aid will do any good. And specifically will more aid in the aggregate do sufficient good relative to other things the money could be spent on. The evidence to date is that more aid correlates with worse outcomes - poorer health, shorter life expectancy and lower per capita GDP. The argument that its becuase most aid goes to the most deserving doesn't wash, becuase if aid worked then over time the larger aid recipients should do better. There are multiple reasons for this, not least government corruption and welfarism where money goes to the most needy giving people an economic incentive to be needy. The aid that does work tends to go through motivated individuals and groups who have a well defined objective - Medicin Sans Frontiers and the groups that feed and educate children come to mind. Money is often not the problem with these groups as MSF recently handing back donations shows. Of the 3 'solutions' they are pushing. Cancelling debt is largely unrelated to the net amount of money recieved and just sends the signal that its OK to waste the money because it doesn't need to be paid back. I actually agree with them on removing trade barriers, but to blame such barriers on evil capitalists is silly. The main beneficiaries are farmers and (unionized) workers - remove export subsidies which would stop big businesses from profiting at the expense of poor communities.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-06-01 16:57  

#13  Im not sure what the point of debating the basis of Africas problems is. ... What matters is DOING something for Africans.

If you misdiagnose the problem, your remedy isn't likely to be effective. LOTS has been done for Africans - little of it has made much of a difference, precisely due to indigenous reasons as well as historical ones.
Posted by: too true   2005-06-01 16:16  

#12  Could someone explain again the purpose of these G8 summits? Also, why a third-rate, minor-league kleptocracy like Russia's included and China and India are not?
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-06-01 15:38  

#11  Two days of geometry?

So now he's corrupting 14 year-olds as well? Or is geometry now the preferred subject of study by 30 year-old perpetual students in the UK?
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-06-01 15:37  

#10  Im not sure what the point of debating the basis of Africas problems is. Some of it comes from deep historical reasons - a late start on the development of civilization (for reasons you can read about in "Guns, Germs, and Steel" Some is the slave trade BOTH the European slave trade AND the muslim slave trade. Some is later colonialism. Some is the post war decision to give Africans independence based on existing artificial colonial boundaries, which accentuated problems of tribalism, and thus bad leadership. Some of it was Marxism, and otehr forms of socialism, which infected the continent and led to poor economic policies.

Theres blame enough to go around.

What matters is DOING something for Africans.

Im not sure if the tactics Geldof suggests are the correct ones. But lots of folk other than Geldof agree on the need to do something about this.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-06-01 14:56  

#9  ...rendered them into a sort of meat pattie

Aigh! Soylent Green, it's made of...Bob Geldof!
Posted by: Dreadnought   2005-06-01 13:51  

#8  The problems in Africa are entirely self-created. The solution is good government. Is Bob Geldof really trying to rally all these people in support of regime change continent wide? A new Imperialism for the UK is not something I would have figured Bob would be for but it's bold and it's probably the only short term answer. Go Bob! Very bold, and I thought you were a half-baked Marxist fool obsessed with western guilt and filled with stary eyed dreams of the digniticy of third world poverty.

At last Bono is realistic.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2005-06-01 10:11  

#7  Good thing rich, idle celebrities constantly remind us how smart they are.
I nearly forgot.
Posted by: JerseyMike   2005-06-01 10:06  

#6  Okay, check this out: what if we took Bob Geldof, Dick Curtis, Midge Ure, Madonna, and their brethren and rendered them into a sort of meat pattie with which to feed the po? Come on, be a part of the solution, Bob!
Posted by: BH   2005-06-01 09:31  

#5  I believe that the EU (France?) bans imports from African countries using genetically modified crops to feed their people.
But that I suppose is to knee it to the US.
Posted by: Cynic   2005-06-01 07:05  

#4  I'm thinking payback by the Entertainer Elites Union for stiffing Bono.

They're so, um, sensitive and touchy-feely / artsy-fartsy... And so brave, too. Why, when it comes to spending someone else's money to help them sleep well at night, they know no bounds. Kinda gets ya, y'know? Right in your socialista bleeding heart... my left ventricle is in simpatico syncopation.

*wipes tear*
Posted by: .com   2005-06-01 00:58  

#3  Edinburgh? Please. Not on a bet.
Posted by: mojo   2005-06-01 00:44  

#2  Each day 50,000 people die as a result of extreme poverty, he said. Curtis added: "If 50,000 people died in London on Monday, in Rome on Tuesday, in Berlin on Wednesday, in New York on Thursday and in Paris on Friday, the G8 leaders in Gleneagles would find the money and the solution to the problem as they walked from the front door to the reception desk."

Oh how clever! A snarky reference to race. Such a clever boy. Isn't he clever?

Shame you skipped economics classes, but I can tell you were awake during the bong parties.

And let's switch on the tear ducts while we're at it.

Oh and make sure we set the debate not to real solutions, but to "white guilt."

Oh and I almost forget. I almost forgot because I was drying my eyes at what a terrible white person I am, but shouldn't we consider not only not aiding Africa's starving, but also to ensure we actively deny them food aid and water.

After all, I have determined their lives are not worth living and starvation is the only way to go. After all, we know now from MSM account that it is a good way to die, especially if a third party ( in this case, me ) determines it to not be worth living.

So, if we give food aid we are not being good humanitarians.

** Dismounts Shiavo highhorse **

That is the only reference to the Shiavo murder I will make on this forum... today...
Posted by: badanov   2005-06-01 00:36  

#1  Debt cancellation sounds like it's worth a try. Let's start with, oh, Iraq.
Posted by: Jackal   2005-06-01 00:11  

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