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ITS SHAME FUL 4 WHITE MAN
2005-05-27
U THE RASCALS BUSH DECIPLES.....Y U PEOPLE ARE SO,,,,AFRAID OF MUSLIMS......HAS THEY FUCKED UR BUSH...AND THE WHOLE WEST...WRITE SOME GOOD REMARKS....IF U ARE RELLAY LIBERLA AND TOLERANT NATION......ZAHEER MASHOOD RAVIAN

I had to kinda sorta agonize over whether to leave this or dump it. We get these now and then, you know, the semiliterate screech from the enemy camp. I'm not sure if we're supposed to be frightened, convinced, shamed, or what. But since I'm just back from a good dinner and I just fixed an irritating little programming problem, let's discuss Zaheer's points, since they're obviously well thought out.

Yes. Us rascals here are Bush's disciples. We think he's doing the right thing by trying to bring some modicum of liberty to the Middle East. After you Moose limbs declared war on us — remember that, Zaheer? — we didn't pay attention. We were all snug and secure in our own country and we weren't bothering yours. America was a country at peace with all the world when you Islamists decided to fly airliners full of non-combatants into civilian targets in New York, killing a few thousand innocents.

That's something you're really proud of, of course, just as you're proud of the way the Taliban managed to take poor, primitive Afghanistan and make it even poorer and more primitive. You're really proud of the fact that you killed Masood, the man whose forces actually defeated the Soviets, while Hekmatyar was busy intriguing and plotting in Pakistan and then rocketing Kabul to try and grab power himself. No doubt you're really proud of the way the Taliban stayed out of the fight, safe in their madrassahs in Pakistan, and then picked up the pieces when Hekmatyar plunged Afghanistan into civil war. Probably you're also proud of how many of those "Afghan" Taliban were born and bred in Pakistan.

I'm sure you're really proud of all the other things your fellow Islamists have done, too. You've lopped off the heads of innocents in half a dozen countries. Islamists took hostage a theater full of people who'd gone to see a show in Moscow. They blew up a den of iniquity full of people whose sin was taking a vacation in Bali. They blew up a few trainloads of people whose sin consisted of going to work in Spain. They've desecrated Christian holy places in Palestine, slaughtered schoolchildren in the Caucasus, and shot up churches, schools, mosques, and anything else they could get close to in Pakland. Those are all points of pride with you, aren't they, Zaheer?

Hell, yes, we're afraid of Moose limbs. I'm frightened to death of them. Sane people fear the irrational, they're afraid of mindless fanaticism. I'm also afraid of rabid dogs and venomous snakes. And I'm scared lest the weak-kneed elements in my government stop Bush and his people from killing those same rabid dogs and venonous snakes. I don't want my children and grandchildren to grow up in the kind of world you Islamists have made for yourselves in the ratholes you rule.

Yes, we're a liberal and tolerant nation. That's a good indication that Islamists aren't in charge. We live in countries where the individual's allowed to do as he pleases. If he wants to bow down toward Mecca five times a day, he can do that; if he doesn't want to, he's free not to. We're not required to go to church, synagogue or mosque. There aren't restrictions on what we can say. We can decide we don't want to be Christians or Jews or Moose limbs one day and not worry about some wild-eyed, spittle-spewing fanatic trying to kill us — unless we lose our focus and stop trying to bring individual liberty and civic responsibility to the ignorant and vicious. We can even poke fun at the Profit (PTUI) and his holy men if we want to. And you can't.

Oh, and I might add that you seem to be a lot more concerned with skin color than anybody here. I have no idea what the complexion is of most Rantburgers — all except the handful I've met could be bright orange with bright blue palps for all I know. One of the things we've worked out, for the most part, in our liberal and tolerant society is people putting up with each other's physical differences. You haven't even started on that road in Lahore, have you?
Posted by:Theth Clineng3458

#43  Damn straight, Flash.

Zaheer, please remember Julius Streicher: Follow his path, share his fate.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-05-27 22:40  

#42  U THE RASCALS BUSH DECIPLES.....

Ok - I accept both being a "bushy" and a rascal. Chicks also dig my scar.

Y U PEOPLE ARE SO,,,,AFRAID OF MUSLIMS......

Because you guys tend to shout things like "death to america" maybe?

HAS THEY FUCKED UR BUSH...AND THE WHOLE WEST...

Well, yeah, we would rather leave you alone, you just won't stop blowing things up.

WRITE SOME GOOD REMARKS....IF U ARE RELLAY LIBERLA AND TOLERANT NATION......

I thought we established first sentence that I am a bushy and a rascal? I hate to dissapoint you. Expect to get knocked down and your wallet taken

ZAHEER MASHOOD RAVIAN
What? No phony Doctor or student label?

Satire aside, we need to treat anti-us speach in occupied areas just like NAZI speach was in post WWII germany. If you say you hate us, we need to take you at your word and jug you for a decade or so.
Posted by: flash91   2005-05-27 21:36  

#41  Good points, Old Patriot. It has been three years and eight months since 9/11 and, despite our flexing our muscles in Afghanistan and Iraq, punks like Zaheer (who flaunt handles like "WAZIRISTANI_TERRORIST") are still proudly pulling our chains. I have to say that I've tired of it -- to the point of being willing reduce places like Waziristan to ash without any hesitation. I don't think Zaheer recognizes that three years ago I would have given him benefit of the doubt but now I have no reason to bother. Now I'd nuke him just to be done with it. He could see far worse than Bush -- and he may, before it's over.
Posted by: Tom   2005-05-27 21:17  

#40  Ohh and his website is way beyond aweful , but its nice to see Paki cadet school churning out idiot after idiot after idiot .
Posted by: MacNails   2005-05-27 21:02  

#39  And that ladies and gents is a perfect example on 'how not to post on a debating forum'

I guess he posted after the lobotomy with a blunt instrument .
Posted by: MacNails   2005-05-27 20:57  

#38  There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet that needs to be addressed: Mecca and Medina mean NOTHING to Christians. Neither does Karbala, Najef, Qom, or any other "Muslim Holy Place". Jersualem does. Muslims need to understand that we can be pretty damned independent if we get our backs up, and do what we think is necessary at the time. We bombed the hell out of Dresden and Hamburg, until the rubble was ground into smaller rubble. We expected to take a million casualties by attacking the Japanese main islands. We used a new weapon, one we weren't even sure would work, instead.

Today we have an entire arsenal of weapons we haven't used since World War II - not in Korea, or Vietnam, or Kuwait, or Bosnia, or Grenada, or Panama. That doesn't mean we WON'T use them, just that we haven't decided it would be necessary to use them.

A bit of stupidity by the mullahs of Iran may change our mind. Any really NASTY attack against our homeland may convince us we need to shorten this war by a decade or two, and we change our minds. We may just decide that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with freedom, and change our minds.

That would not be a good thing for Islam, or Muslims in general. Remember, though, we have many, many rational people who believe acting irrationally may be benficial under the right circumstances.

If I were a Muslim, I would work night and day to ensure those circumstances were never met. It might not only save that Muslim's life, but his entire world.

Think about it. Think long and hard. We are.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-05-27 20:44  

#37  rebutle zaheer?
Posted by: muck4doo   2005-05-27 20:39  

#36  Get 'em, Ptah! Way good.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-05-27 18:48  

#35  Let me educate you, Zaheer, and give you some advice from a God fearer: You think you are building up Islam, when you are really digging its grave.

Christianity, my religion, thrived and grew without help from the state or from force of arms. Certainly, many died from infidels and idol worshippers, but they clung to their faith to their certain death, and won even more to their side.

What happened to my religion was that it became so trusted and popular, that Constantine decided it could rule HALF of the Roman Empire.

That began its downfall. For power attracts the power hungry. Under the guise of piety, they took power and ruled the Church as a tool like Kings, instead of tending it like a Shepherd does the sheep. In the end, they were overthrown: the clerics, both bad AND GOOD, were destroyed.

IN America, we reached an agreement: The government would never be a tool to enforce religion, and all religions would sustain themselves and win new members by persuasion. We are not, by definition, a Christian nation, but Christianity has thrived here. Enough so to make men worry we would do in the 21st century what was done in the 4th.

Take it from me, Zaheer: We would be more wildly successful and have many more converts if it was NOT for that shameful past, where the Church used force instead of persuasion to survive. They hold present day Christians, me included, responsible for what was done centuries ago, JUST AS you hold us, today, responsible for what happened during the Crusades (which took place during the time the Church held state power). Despite reform, despite new behavior, despite generosity, despite selfless service, our past continues to haunt and frustrate our ability to bring men to a God who loves them and wishes to make them his Children, NOT HIS SERVANTS. No free Christian, uncoerced by thug or state, would willingly forsake being a Child of God, and become a MERE SERVANT. Some Muslims STILL HAVE SLAVES: THEY CAN TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE.

Your religion, Islam, is now where Christianity was 10 centuries ago: a religion running a state, and using it to propagate itself by force, because no sane free man would choose a religion that made you a slave of God over a religion that made you a CHILD of God. In the name of that retrograde religion, you are piling up atrocities: far more than Fred has enumerated. You already have a long history: Remember, you invaded Spain and were defeated in France THREE CENTURIES before the First Crusade. YOU STARTED THAT FIGHT FIRST.

Look at the comments before and after mine: Many among them are those who have not chosen Christianity, and thus have no obligation to hear the call of mercy to the defeated.

I'll repeat that, because you'd better remember it: They have no obligation to hear the call of mercy to the defeated.

You will be defeated. Your religion justifies itself by saying it wins wars. It will be refuted, because you will be defeated. Your screams begging for mercy will be ignored, because their eyes will be gazing, not at your terrified face, but at the blood you are putting on your hands now. During this very moment.

Islam may survive, but it will be neutered. Future Imams will blush red and stammer as they will try to explain away why Jihad is spiritual warfare, when thousands of years of history and tanker-ships of blood, spilled mere years after the founding of Islam by its own founder, up until the 21st centry, will be thrown in their faces with the same scorn as the history of Christianity is now.

Trust me: I don't like it. AND Those future imams will not like it. As they turn away, face red, they will notice the hand cautiously placed on the holstered gun, and they will KNOW that the infidels will not be lulled by promises of Hudna, patriotism, and good faith, but at the first sign of resentment, perhaps of a raised voice, the infidel will whip out that gun and put a BULLET THROUGH THEIR BRAINS, and justify it by saying, "Damn muslim tried to Jihad and Hudna me, but I beat him to it the moment I saw that SQUINT in his eye. You know, that SQUINT that sez, 'Damn infidel, if you won't choose to believe Allah, I'll DAMN MAKE YA BELIEVEe!'"

And his fellows will nod sagely and pat him on the back and tell him, "He shore didn't MAKE ya, did he Jeb?"

And he'll grin and reply, "Shore damn didn't!"
Posted by: Ptah   2005-05-27 18:28  

#34  Rascals, are we?
RASCALS?
Now, I can accept that some may regard us as nefarious conspirators, war-mongering megalomaniacs, and diabolically ruthless agents of the International Zionist Cabaltm, but "rascals"?
This kind of invective is clearly beyond the pale.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-05-27 17:55  

#33  But for grad school, not undergrad admissions?




Posted by: john   2005-05-27 16:32  

#32  To be fair, some of these questions are testing English proficiency rather than science, and it did include example questions from trigonometry and basic differential calculus.

But yes, I share your suspicion about the content's rigor ....
Posted by: rkb   2005-05-27 16:27  

#31  Hell, at this point that's less Islamic than Berkeley's entrance exam!
Posted by: Secret Master   2005-05-27 16:20  

#30  Abbas maseed Ravian (ex-razmian)
GC University Lahore"

Another Pakistani scholar. A credit to the Ummah.

Here is an interesting link
These are actual admissions questions for their M.Sc. ( Graduate school entrance!!) program at (Mohammed Ali Jinnah University)

It is said that light is shadow of God. Once Diogenes took a lamp in his hand in day time and looked about in the streets full of people and said, "I am in search of an honest man".

Light spreads education and knowledge. In all developed societies education occupies central place. Today we see tremendous explosion of knowledge all around. Nations with strong educational profiles are leaping forward and making viable economic growth and development. ….

Answer the following questions:-
Q-1: What did Diogenes search?
a) a lamp b) an honest man
b) shadow of God d) education

Q-2: What is the place of education in developed societies?
a) a bottom place b) huge place
c) central place d) small place

1) If the average of a and -5 is 10, then a equals to
a) 15
b) 25
c) 5
d) -5

1) Which one is an excellent insulator
a) Iron
b) Water
c) Wood
d) God (????)

2) Water consists of
a) Hydrogen, Oxygen
b) Helium, Oxygen
c) Hydrogen, Carbon
d) Oxygen, Carbon

3) Astronomy is a science of
a) Stars and Galaxies
b) Pop stars and Film stars
c) Human Behavior
d) Animal Behavior

Posted by: john   2005-05-27 15:58  

#29  Stupid media slave. This one is not just a media slave, he is a slave to the Islamo-media, a pathetically crude imitation of their western masters.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-05-27 15:58  

#28  Never forgive, never foget.
Posted by: Hyper   2005-05-27 14:57  

#27  God, those image files: they all look like my Dad's old Iranian grad students from the 70's. I used to have breakfast with guys that looked like that. Scary. Of course, that's not nearly as scary as the fact that my dad was a professor of physics and nuclear science....
Posted by: Secret Master   2005-05-27 14:48  

#26  I guess the fact that he has gone ALL CAPS suggests some hardening of his position.

Or that he's been reading Democratic Underground.
Posted by: Secret Master   2005-05-27 14:39  

#25  I'm anxiously waiting for the time when we're allowed to hunt these animals for sport. They're not human beings, so I should be able to kill as many as I like. Or perhaps, buy "mooselimb stamps" at your local Sporting Goods store.

Put a roll of toilet paper, or the koran(the same thing as toilet paper), on a string and drag it through the streets....trolling for mooselimbs.......BANG! BANG!

Maybe then we can rid our country of this awful smell around convenience stores.

Hunt them to extinction, I say.

Posted by: Tom Dooley   2005-05-27 13:36  

#24  foaming at the mouth

That got my attention. So I scrolled through the Zaheer's image gallery. Lo and behold!

There are certain fungi (not shrooms, just molds that attack certain plants) that render people raving mad. They attack crops like barley, rice and poppy.
The last crop with fungus is especially explosive combination.
Posted by: twobyfour   2005-05-27 13:23  

#23  Another Paki screecher. BFD. Fred and .com have given him worthy responses. People like Zaheer are beyond clueless and are, literally, foaming at the mouth. So, since they are rabid dogs, they need to be put down with extreme predjudice. If it weren't for that fact that India is down wind, I would stronly urge that Waziristan be used for a much-needed above ground nuclear test.
Posted by: remoteman   2005-05-27 13:01  

#22  zaheer mashood ravian... you very very bad man!!! (in pakywacky accent of course!)
Posted by: radrh8r   2005-05-27 10:50  

#21  amazing how articulate a good meal can make a man. well said, Fred. Frankly, we need constant reminding.

thanks.
Posted by: PlanetDan   2005-05-27 10:20  

#20  Zaheer posted this for us on 3/26/04:

WAZIRISTAN PARADISE FOR ALQAEDA AND TALIBAN FIGHTERS
"Waziristan is the largest tribal area of Pakistan. What is going on in Waziristan i.e operation in Wana against al-qaeda and taliban fighters is shameful for pakistani govt.
Doesn't this show that in fact we are the terrorists i.e Pakistan is a terrorist country. Because if we are not terrorists then why there are so much terrorists (mujahideens) in our country.
In fact we have forgotten that we are Muslims and that Jihad is the duty of every muslim.
So the warriors in Wanna are not terrorists but they are mujahideens.
If the US and Pak army are giving them the name of terrorism then we will do this terrorism because "no compromise on religion".
I don,t know how the Pakistan govt and US forces had forgotten our past history. we born free and will maintain our freedom on each cost. If the pak govt is doing voilence on childrens and women there then we will feel no hesitation in killing them.
Al-qaeda and talibans are our guests and we know how to sacrifice our lives for our guests.
The flower which a common waziristani tuck on his ear is a sign that he love peace and the rifle which he decorates on his shoulder is an indication to all that every waziristani is ready for war.
Abbas maseed Ravian (ex-razmian)
GC University Lahore"

I guess the fact that he has gone ALL CAPS suggests some hardening of his position.
Posted by: Tom   2005-05-27 09:54  

#19  .com, appreciation society.

Of which I too am a member! =)
Posted by: docob   2005-05-27 09:54  

#18  He looks a nice enough lad. Short hair, starched collar, nice tank-top.
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-05-27 09:49  

#17  Not big on spelling or neatness either...
http://moneycentral.groups.msn.com/ravian/pakhtoonkhaw.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=701
Posted by: Tom   2005-05-27 09:39  

#16  what the hell is this guy talking about? I can't even undersatand his rants.

kbfwbw v b gqgyGA OGuyg YURGYT bgyytwgi itwjtungbkjnbJNTNBSkjk :KJBFbkfjgskjkn!
Posted by: Legolas   2005-05-27 09:35  

#15  Those are nice pics, Zaheer. I wonder if they're in in some CIA database by now?
And one more thing? Website design doesn't appear to be your future...
Posted by: tu3031   2005-05-27 09:17  

#14  Mandatory reading for all High School curriculum.

Well said, Fred.
Posted by: Glomong Shesing6648   2005-05-27 08:50  

#13  Fred,

Thanks for posting Zaheer's message and the 1998 Binny Fatwa. On this Memorial Day weekend we need a reminder to finish the job that so many have given their life for.

Hey Zaheer! I checked your website. Nice pics of you and your friends! Sure wearing a lot of the trappings of the evil infidels!
Posted by: TomAnon   2005-05-27 08:48  

#12  My goodness, yes indeed. I twelfth Fred's words, and what everyone else said. Except I'm not going to do the gutting-with-his-own-knife thingy... blood is so hard to get out of clothing if you let it sit for any time at all. The proteins clot, y'know.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-05-27 08:36  

#11  That's the whole message he posted. I left it to Fred to decide whether to forward it to RB or trash it.

We will take you on and take you out.

Yes.
Posted by: rkb   2005-05-27 07:10  

#10  I can't add a thing, Fred, you said it all.
Posted by: Mike   2005-05-27 06:40  

#9  Does the ellipsis denote abbreviaiton of the message? If so, could we please have Zaheer's full text? It's a quiet day in the office and we could do with a giggle.
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-05-27 06:07  

#8  .com, appreciation society.
Posted by: Shistos Shistadogloo   2005-05-27 05:48  

#7  Zaheer I would be more than happy to gut you with with your own dagger after I shoot your worthless carcass. I fear no man, nor religion and I will allow neither to attempt to cower me. Live free or die, the choice is yours to make.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom   2005-05-27 02:03  

#6  WRITE SOME GOOD REMARKS

Stick around dude, and pay attention. Plenty o'good people here making plenty o' good remarks. Hell, you might even learn somethin'.
Posted by: Rafael   2005-05-27 01:54  

#5  The midnight time indicates this arrived between 9:00 PM and Midnight EST - that prolly means it was just before old Zaheer went off to Friday Prayers, to get the official screed for the week. Sounds like he was quite looking forward to it.

I believe, upon reflection, that what Zaheer is trying to say is we should forget what has happened, go back to being who we were on 9/10 - so he and his fellow Muzzies can, again, use our freedoms and tolerance and trust against us.

Or, simplified: Stand still, infidel, I'm aiming.

It won't happen, Zaheer. We were once sitting ducks, but we learn fast. Your time, the age of blind insanity, tribalist barbarity, and theocratic totalitarianism is ending. You're right to be outraged at us - we're the ones who are ending it. You attacked the wrong infidels. We will take you on and take you out. That tolerance shit is for the clueless fools - the ones that never learn and fail to grasp that evil can't be "fixed" or "reasoned with" or "understood" or "made into friends". We will kill you where you stand, where you seek to enslave others, where you shake your tiny fists, where you breed. You asked for it when you attacked us, you ask for it again every day as you and yours preach and repeat hatred and jihad. You can expect repayment 10-fold. Your bad. Sucks to be you. Buh bye.
Posted by: .com   2005-05-27 01:52  

#4  bet this "Islamic Scholar" led the charge against the US desecration of the Koran, not realizing that, by existing such as they are, they are more of a desecration than we could conjure up? Inshallah!
Posted by: Frank G   2005-05-27 00:37  

#3  Damn prejudiced jerk should know better than get Fred's dander up. Well said, Fred.

BTW, I wondered why someone nut from Pakistan would post from Tokelau. Dot Tokelau is giving away domain names free of charge. They probably should be careful to whom they are granting this privilege.
Posted by: GK   2005-05-27 00:30  

#2  what a rant. It should be required reading!
Posted by: 2b   2005-05-27 00:26  

#1  Theth , How did you know that I had blue palps..I though only my sister knew.
Posted by: Jerry Springer   2005-05-27 00:08  

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