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| Kerry sez he signed Form SF 180 ... but hasn't sent it to the Navy yet |
| 2005-05-24 |
| (Boston Globe editorial) During an interview yesterday with Globe editorial writers and columnists, the former Democratic presidential nominee was asked if had signed Form SF 180, authorizing the Department of Defense to grant access to all his military records. ''I have signed it," Kerry said. Then, he added that his staff was ''still going through it" and ''very, very shortly, you will have a chance to see it." The devil is usually in the details. With Kerry, it's also in the dodges and digressions. After the interview, Kerry's communications director, David Wade, was asked to clarify when Kerry signed SF 180 and when public access would be granted. Kerry drifted over to join the conversation, immediately raising the confusion level. He did not answer the question of when he signed the form or when the entire record will be made public. Several e-mails later, Wade conveyed the following information: On Friday, May 20, Kerry obtained a copy of Form 180 and signed it. ''The next step is to send it to the Navy, which will happen in the next few days. The Navy will then send out the records," e-mailed Wade. Kerry first said he would sign Form 180 when pressed by Tim Russert during a Jan. 30 appearance on ''Meet the Press." (balance of article at link) |
| Posted by:Seafarious |
| #15 the cupboard he releases will be bare |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-05-24 20:10 |
| #14 Thanks, SH. So we should not expect much. If there's a smoking gun in there, he's been warned, I'm sure. To flap gums about it now means there isn't one. Though clearly a traitor in time of war, he'll get a pass cuz the system doesn't tar anyone unless it's well beyond egregious. So the cupboard will be bare. |
| Posted by: .com 2005-05-24 20:03 |
| #13 [TROLL DROPPINGS DELETED] |
| Posted by: Socks Unolusing1681 2005-05-24 20:03 |
| #12 Well, he never said what year he was going to send it.... |
| Posted by: Desert Blondie 2005-05-24 19:57 |
| #11 MHW, I don't think that there will be much of note in his record. Fitreps and such are forwarded to BUPERs and go in a permanent record. Non-Punative Letters of Caution go nowhere. They are the type of reprimand that he would have gotten on his tin can tour if he had messed up at his underway replenishment station badly enough that his CO/XO wanted to get his attention but not badly enough that his CO/XO wanted to scuttle his career. - I don't think he had any of those anyway. The types of things that Kerry seemed to be accused of were inaccuracies in his after-action reports. Those wouldn't be in his service record and wouldn't be considered part of his personal info necessarily. I would have thought that a FOI request would have gained release of any of those types of records. His medical records will be decidedly empty as well. While they might contain some information about treatment in relation to his Purple Heart awards they might also be pretty empty. On my first ship I would not have been surprised to discover that the head corpsman only documented anything for about every fifth treatment he provided to a crew member. For instance, I saw him every six months to have the same ingrown toenail re-removed. Each time he would ask me what type of antibiotic he had given me to control the infection. He would rack his brain each time but never thought to document the medication in my record. One item of interest that might be there would be documentation concerning his dishonorable discharge and subsequent reinstatment. If that info is in the record, it will not be released. I thought it quite interesting that Harry Reid made reference to contents of an FBI background file concerning one of Bush's court nominees the other week. When those become fairgame, Kerry is in real trouble. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2005-05-24 19:52 |
| #10 My guess is he is hoping Sandy Berger got them before the Navy does. |
| Posted by: badanov 2005-05-24 18:40 |
| #9 I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the Naval records. Can items that used to be in the file (say, for example, memos from COs reprimanding Kerry for his pro VC propaganda) be excised from the record? Can a general discharge that was later overturned by an honorable discharge still be in the record? |
| Posted by: mhw 2005-05-24 16:31 |
| #8 The dog ate it? |
| Posted by: BigEd 2005-05-24 16:07 |
| #7 Here, it took me one minute to get the form, and it should take his staff about three minutes to "go through it": http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf My bet is that he NEVER submits it. |
| Posted by: Tom 2005-05-24 14:35 |
| #6 "Kerry first said he would sign Form 180 when pressed by Tim Russert during a Jan. 30 appearance on Meet the Press." Ahhh, he said he'd sign it. And that took almost four months. Did he ever say he'd submit it? |
| Posted by: Tom 2005-05-24 14:30 |
| #5 Did VC eat it? Or was it Licorice? I get them mixed up. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2005-05-24 13:48 |
| #4 Actually Sarge, Kerry's info rises to the level of Coprolites. Shit so old that it has petrified... |
| Posted by: BigEd 2005-05-24 13:40 |
| #3 He signed it and then delivered: A) Arms to the Khmer Rouge B) A (hatless) CIA operative to Laos C) A speech to MoverOn.org D) Another load of bullshit |
| Posted by: Cyber Sarge 2005-05-24 13:38 |
| #2 ...then flushed it... |
| Posted by: BigEd 2005-05-24 13:33 |
| #1 "I signed it, before I shredded it." |
| Posted by: Dar 2005-05-24 13:07 |