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Europe
Putting the fear of God into Holland
2005-03-01
About a third of a long article. Read the rest...
The Dutch have rejected liberalism in response to Islamic immigration. Some say they are now too hardline. So what can the rest of Europe learn from their crisis?
That's they're not really that hardline?
Not long ago, Holland prided itself as being the most tolerant and welcoming country in Europe for immigrants and asylum seekers. It had the credentials to prove it. So many have settled there, ethnic "minorities" are often in a majority. In the great Dutch cities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam and the Hague, the newcomers already outnumber the native Dutch among under-20-year-olds. They will soon be an absolute majority.
Thereby demonstrating that cultures are more fragile than we think they are.
Although the slump that followed the 1973 oil shock removed the urgent need to recruit labour, the Dutch accepted that the "guest workers" in the country could remain. The policy was to create a multicultural society in which cultural and ethnic differences were accepted and appreciated. Some immigrants came from former Dutch colonies. The two largest groups, however, Turkish and Moroccan, had no historic links with the Netherlands.
Another blow to the culture...
The Dutch nonetheless accepted the reunification of families, and the practice of marrying partners from the country of origin, even though these can have an eight- or tenfold multiplier effect on overall numbers. Asylum seekers then arrived, in numbers that escalated from 3,500 in 1985 to over 43,000 in 2000. The figures were pro rata among the highest in the EU. Illegals came, too, mainly after 1990, with estimates running from 100,000 to 200,000. The Dutch supplied funding for mosques, religious schools, language courses and housing. They passed special legislation so Moroccans could have dual nationality, as Moroccan nationality is inalienable under Moroccan law. Political correctness, of the sort that produced Harry Enfield's famously relaxed Amsterdam policemen, reigned. Issues felt at street level — immigration, crime, culture, national identity — were seldom discussed by the political elite.
We're always reluctant to discuss the things that might make us feel bad. It's ever so much more pleasant to think nice thoughts and have a good lunch. So often when you discuss things that are unpleasant the doctor tells you the lump has to come out.
No longer. A sea change has taken place. It was evident after the death last month of a young Dutch Moroccan, identified only as Ali El B. Several hundred Moroccans congregated on the street where a driver had run him over, reversing into him after he had stolen her bag. They had made a shrine on the pavement, with flowers and candles, and there was talk of racism and murder. The crowd set off on a march to pay their respects at a mosque not far away. The boys were in a long gaggle at the front. The girls, neater, were in disciplined ranks at the rear. Some had Moroccan flags draped over their shoulders. They chanted in Arabic for a while, and passers-by looked and scurried on. The mosque was on the ground floor in a row of old gabled houses, some converted into offices, that looked out over a broad waterway. A racing skiff, a pair, was splashing through the wavelets thrown up by a blustery gale. Television cameramen darted round the crowd as it milled outside the mosque. An elderly Dutchman looked down from his flat at the sea of hoods and scarves and red-and-green flags, with an utterly forlorn expression.
Poor lad! And all he was doing was robbing the lady!
Nobody doubts that Ali El B would once have become a martyred innocent. Now, attempts to portray him like that were sat on fast and hard. The fiercest comment came from Geert Wilders. The hard line this right-wing MP takes on immigrants and terrorists has made him the fastest-rising star in the political firmament.
Even though he says the lump has to come out.
It has also brought threats of beheading from the lump radical Islamists, so he is now shackled to six bodyguards and has secure lodgings on army bases. "All Moroccan troublemakers should be expelled," Wilders says. "The government wants to expel terrorists. The same process should be used for street terrorists like Ali El B. Detain them, de-naturalise them and deport them."
Sounds pretty logical to me. If you can't live by the rules, maybe you should be someplace where the rules are more to your liking. Though I doubt if they're gentle with thieves in Morocco, either.
Wilders is a firebrand. Rita Verdonk is the minister for immigration and integration, and a mainstream Conservative. She, too, is implacable. "If the boy hadn't stolen the bag," she says, "he'd be riding around on his scooter today."
Statements of the obvious are sometimes disputed, of course...
But the real pointer to how far Holland has shifted comes from Job Cohen, the mayor of Amsterdam. Cohen is Labour, from the party that personified political correctness and the more-the-merrier, they-can-do-no-wrong approach to immigrants. "We have to admit," the mayor says, "that this was not a sweet and blameless youth, to put it mildly."
And if you're deeply into PC, that's the only way you put things...
The consensus has shifted across the board. In a country that can still seem a parody of itself — a magistrate ruled recently that an armed robber was entitled to a tax rebate on the cost of his gun as a tool of his trade — even the leader of the Green party has called for it to be illegal for Muslims to import spouses through arranged marriages. Integrated teams, drawn from the police, social welfare and housing offices, are used to locate and arrest illegals. Social welfare knows who is drawing benefit, housing offices have addresses, and police check for criminal records. The number of asylum seekers has been slashed from 43,000 to 10,000 a year, nine-tenths of whom have their applications rejected. Multiculturalism is damned. A recent poll found 80% in favour of stronger measures to get immigrants to integrate — and 40% said they "hoped" Muslims "no longer feel at home here".

How did this happen? The first open shift came in 2001, with 9/11. Frits Bolkestein, the leader of the VVD Conservative Liberals, had struck a chord in the 1990s with his insistence that immigrants conform to western culture, but immigration issues were largely the preserve of "racists" and "crypto-Nazis" on the political margins. Then came reports that the atrocities in New York and Washington had been greeted with cheers in parts of Rotterdam. Forum, the Dutch institute for multicultural development, commissioned an opinion poll of Dutch Muslims. It showed that 48% had "complete understanding" and 27% "some understanding" of the attacks. Overall, only 62% disapproved. Wim Kok, the then prime minister, expressed his shock. The poll was said to be "unbalanced".
Posted by:Anonymous5089

#4  Perhaps instead of welcoming the Dutch and others who want to escape the colonization of their homeland, we should turn them away. Make them go back home and fight for their country instead of cowering behind us cowboys and our military.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats   2005-03-01 1:32:31 PM  

#3  Then came reports that the atrocities in New York and Washington had been greeted with cheers in parts of Rotterdam. Forum, the Dutch institute for multicultural development, commissioned an opinion poll of Dutch Muslims. It showed that 48% had "complete understanding" and 27% "some understanding" of the attacks. Overall, only 62% disapproved. Wim Kok, the then prime minister, expressed his shock. The poll was said to be "unbalanced".

Wimmy was the only thing unbalanced there because he was blind to the truth about the way the Islamonuts think...

Yup. I think that old Pym Fortuyn was ahead of his time. On Laura Ingraham this AM they were discussing this very subject. How many native Dutch are leaving Europe to come to the US, go to Australia, etc.

With the expulsion of some magic mullahs from Holland last week, it looks as though Holland my explode, and sooner rather than later.
Posted by: BigEd   2005-03-01 1:19:02 PM  

#2  The West has a tough time understanding the Islamic movement, because it is foreign to the base value system of the West, and is in fact, OPPOSED to the base value system of the West. Religion, and subsequent societal values stemming from an historical experience of religion, necessarily inform and dictate present behavior in a general sense--even if the religion under discussion is not adhered to or practiced any longer.

Holland's values are based in Christianity (though that has most likely been forgotten in the "post modern" age), and the immigrants' values generally come from Islam, as well as their countries of origin. It's not even important to the argument whether or not either group remembers where they got their values from and why they believe what they believe--at this point it's an established fact of life for both groups.

So, the Dutch want to pursue freedom, tolerance and multicultural perspectives as values (values based on 1000 years of the influence of Christianity)--even going so far as to supply "funding for mosques, religious schools, language courses and housing." The immigrants, however, want the polar opposite--freedom, tolerance and multiculturalism simply are NOT their values.

It was terribly silly, in the first place, to believe that the immigrants coming into Holland (or into England, or into the US, or into Switzerland) were ever coming there to pursue the values and societal dreams of Dutch society. While a minority of Moslems may indeed have wanted to escape the oppressive environments of their native lands, and were willing and happy to accept the norms of Western civilization, the rest don't. And at this point, it really must be bad there for 40% to say they "hoped" Muslims "no longer feel at home" in Holland. In other words, the Dutch opened their doors, thinking the Moslems would like to come there and be "Dutch." Then they found out that "this was not a sweet and blameless (Moslem) youth, to put it mildly," and they ignored important questions of crime, culture, and national identity, which should have been asked in the first place. But true to liberalism, even asking such questions would have labled such inquiry the venue of "racists" and "crypto-Nazis". (Hmm. Guess it goes without saying, that before you open the doors, it might be a good idea to find our exactly what's waiting on the other side.) Now "the newcomers already outnumber the native Dutch among under-20-year-olds." It's only a matter of time then, until native Dutch are in the minority. When that happens, the majority will be the ones deciding which values reign.

The same is true here in the US regarding the Moslem tactic of immigration and the setting up of Islamic enclaves--it's clearly all part of a larger strategy of jihad when they do it that way. Americans might think "Well, we believe in freedom of religion, so we must support them (or we will be in opposition to our own cherished value system)." True, but then, "the Moslems ain't doin'what they sez theys doin'--and that changes everything.

What's really a shame is that the Moslems who DO want to start a life based on what our values afford, and are willing to live by our value of freedom of religion, etc., can all to easily be lumped in with the rest--which leads to racism. The higher plane is to be able to decipher who's doing what, and support the good guys while ferreting out the bad apples.

BTW--I was once again appalled by the Moslem sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility and accountability. The lady backed into the guy that stole her bag. Instead of saying, "Well, he kinda got what he deserved," the Moslems make the thief into a martyr JUST BECAUSE HE'S MOSLEM. This kind of mindset is very receptive to facist/toltalitarian/socialist politcal models that characterize Moslem world. Hopefully, we'll see more of what we're seeing in Iraq and Lebanon--in some cases, even the Moslems have had enough.

Something that's funny to me (well, not funny, really) is that without understanding the entire context of the origin of of the value system one is operating within, it happens that the vague application of the values without context, leads to a fog of lunacy--like thinking everything will be peachy if we're just "nice" to others. This Pollyanish view is not supported in the greater and specific contexts of the actual belief and value system it purportedly came from.

Posted by: ex-lib   2005-03-01 1:09:07 PM  

#1  Interesting. Like the CDC science error. If you don't like the answer, the poll must be unbalanced. So...ask a different question! "How much did the Americans deserve 9/11? A lot/more than a little/not at all?" Maybe that WAS the question?
Posted by: Bobby   2005-03-01 11:30:26 AM  

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