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Kerry: 'We Should Not Overhype'....
2005-01-31
Via Drudge. I saw this yesterday but was too busy to take notes...
Leading Democratic Party critics of US President George W. Bush's Iraq policy cautiously welcomed the successful staging of elections and distanced themselves from calls for the start of an immediate US troop withdrawal.
Purely a temporary phenomenon...
Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, who lost the November presidential election against Republican President George W. Bush, described the Iraqi elections as "significant" and "important" but said they should not be "overhyped."
Meaning, simply, that he doesn't want Bush to get any credit for them...
"It is significant that there is a vote in Iraq," Kerry said in an interview with NBC television's Meet the Press. "But ... no one in the United States should try to overhype this election. This election is a sort of demarcation point, and what really counts now is the effort to have a legitimate political reconciliation. And it's going to take a massive diplomatic effort and a much more significant outreach to the international community than this administration has been willing to engage in. Absent that, we will not be successful in Iraq."
Let's try to wade through the nuances in that mess. Don't overhype it means that there's gotta be something wrong with it, otherwise Bush would deserve credit for bringing them to this point. There are "demarcation points" all over the landscape, but all "demarcation points" aren't created equal. This one's significant. "What really counts" is that the Iraqis got a chance to vote on what kind of government they're actually going to have, rather than having one imposed on them by a bunch of guys with uniforms and tin hats or turbans. That he can dismiss the significance of that demonstrates his own shallowness and underscores the fact the he's a purely political creature with no real values. The "legitimate political reconciliation" is an Iraqi matter, and the mechanism to achieve it is a representative form of government, the details of which are precisely what the Iraqis were voting on. The fact that a segment of the populace doesn't want to reconcile presents a problem, but it's not one that's amenable to diplomatic solution. The Iraqis have to hunt down the Bad Guyz and kill them, not make up with the Frenchies and have roundtable discussions with the Belgians.
Kerry also said he did not support fellow Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy's call last week for the immediate pullout of at least 12,000 US troops from Iraq following the elections.
Probably because it's not politically expedient. Kennedy looks like the ass he is, and most people who aren't regular posters on DU seem to agree. That's the way the wind blows, so that's the way JFnK is going.
"I wouldn't do a specific timetable, but I certainly agree with (Kennedy) in principle, that the goal must be to withdraw American troops," Kerry said.
Eventually. When the job's done. Expending lives and resources to halfass a job doesn't make a lot of sense.
Another influential Democrat, Delaware Senator Joseph Biden, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, also rejected Kennedy's call for an immediate withdrawal of some American forces. "I think pulling American forces out now would be, quite frankly, a serious mistake," Biden said on CBS television's Face the Nation. "I think it's much too premature. I think there would be a collapse, quite frankly, of any sense of order in the country."
Which is, of course, the whole idea. Collapse would lead to revulsion, directed not at the dipsticks like Kennedy who called for it, but at the president who was dumb enough to do it. That's the way the system works in practice, and they all know it. The public either doesn't pay attention or forgets the fact.
Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, whose name has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2008, described the Iraqi elections as a "great day for democracy" but cautioned that "this is only one step in what is going to be a long and difficult process."
Who said it wasn't?
"It's a good day, but we need to see it through to a successful conclusion," Bayh said. "And frankly, I'm concerned, given some of the past mistakes, whether this leadership team will be capable of that."
I'm not in the least concerned, given some of the past successes. We're fighting a war to the death against a vicious and tenacious enemy, something the guys with the expensive suits seem to forget. The fact that they're vicious doesn't mean they're stoopid; every time we make a move they try to counter it, and if they can't counter it, they try something else that'll lessen its value. It's move and countermove, not a steamroller Master Plan™. Things are going to go wrong; what's important is how well we can recover from setbacks.
He said he disagreed with Kennedy's call for the start of a US troop withdrawal from Iraq. "We've planted our flag," Bayh said. "I think that we need to be successful now, and unfortunately that's going to require our presence for some time. I think to cut and run at this juncture would be a terrible mistake."
Looks like eventual success might be in sight, huh?
Michigan Senator Carl Levin, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said challenges remain. "I'm afraid there were some areas where the turnout is extremely low, and that's the Sunni Triangle areas or parts thereof," he said. "And that's the challenge that we now face. But Iraqis that did turn out in large numbers, at least in some areas and in some places, took their lives in their hands in doing so, and we're very delighted with that." Levin said it was too early to talk about a troop withdrawal. "I think that is putting the cart a little bit ahead of the horse," he said.
I think that horse is dead for a month or so, until the attention span's worn off. In fact, it might be time for the Dems to trot out the need for more troops again.
"As important as it is that we finally obtain some kind of an exit strategy, we have to negotiate that with the sovereign government and see whether or not the Iraqis will step up to their own security as well. We've got to see whether or not the Iraqi people will put their lives on the line in joining the security forces. There are very few trained Iraqi security forces in Iraq. That is a huge challenge."
Look hard enough, you can always find something to kvetch about, can't you?
Posted by:Fred

#23  For a contrarian point of view, I hope that the Dems "keep on keeping on" with this garbage. I and every member of my family have switched parties since the Clinton Administration, and I truly think that the current Democratic Party needs to die as an organization. I don't think that it is any more salvagable than the Whigs were at the point of their demise. It is a totally enthralled captive of the LLL, and needs to be replaced with a centrist loyal opposition party.
Posted by: Spemble Whains2886   2005-01-31 6:57:07 PM  

#22  Someone needs to explain to the Dems that yelling "is not! is not! is not!" does not constitute a successful strategy to regain power.
Posted by: AJackson   2005-01-31 6:37:50 PM  

#21  I say we trade the Iraqis Kerry, Dean, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, Shela Jackson and a player to be named later for Saddam Hussein.
Posted by: anymouse   2005-01-31 4:43:39 PM  

#20  Kerry's interview was such a target-rich environment that it's hard to focus on just one thing. But what caught my attention was that, given a national forum on the subject of Iraq, Senator Kerry (again) forgot to share with us peasants his plan for Iraq. You know: the plan he kept saying he had during the election campaign.

Forgive me for thinking this, Senator Kerry, but could it possibly be that you never had any such plan? Heaven forbid.
Posted by: Matt   2005-01-31 4:35:42 PM  

#19  This election is a sort of demarcation point, and what really counts now is the effort to have a legitimate political reconciliation. And it's going to take a massive diplomatic effort and a much more significant outreach to the international community than this administration has been willing to engage in.

Sorry, but that's not our obligation. WE went in with allies and set the stage for these elections, so we have nothing to reach out for. It's the ones that opposed us, that OPPOSED freeing Iraq from the clutches of the likes of Hussein that need to begin with the reconciliations by admitting they were/are on the wrong side. Until they do, SCREW THEM.

Senator Kerry needs to realize that he's a U.S. Senator, and not a representative of the "international community".
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-01-31 4:26:17 PM  

#18  The Administration and the military have been systematically working through very difficult problems in the WoT, which includes Iraq. Remember when Turkey screwed us and we had to move the entire 4ID around? That messed up the Plan, it hurt, caused more US casualties, but we adjusted and made it happen. The dems will keep anklebiting and sniping until they go the way of the Whigs. As long as the Administration keeps the vision, and implements with that vision always in mind, we will achieve our goals and the dems will fade into irrelevance.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-01-31 4:23:59 PM  

#17  The Dem position calling for increased troop strength is indeed a "Brer rabbit" position, but it had a twist. They called for more troops before the war - not because they thought that there was genuinely a need for greater numbers to get the job done. They took the position that greater troops were needed because they hoped that would prevent the war. Remember the simple Brer Rabbit logic - Bush was in favor of the war, therefore the Dems were against it, but they didn't want to appear to be against it, so they threw up road blocks, one of which was the call for greater numbers. No matter the number the administration proposed, it would not have enough, because in their mind, the number had nothing to do with military tactics, but instead political tactics.
Posted by: Carlos   2005-01-31 4:16:09 PM  

#16  And the UN is happy, too. As they said, Success has 1000 mothers.....

Yeah, but what they don't tell you is the UN wears a strap-on.
Posted by: badanov   2005-01-31 3:29:33 PM  

#15  â€œThis election is a sort of demarcation point, and what really counts now is the effort to have a legitimate political reconciliation.” Translation: Sure they had election in Iraq, but the French and the un were not part of that! How can any election be called legitimate without the participation of my beloved Phrance and the honorable un. Hey John, whenever Phrance and the un want to joint eh coalition of the willing they are more than welcome, but I think any ‘reconciliation’ needs to come from that side and not ours.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2005-01-31 3:28:24 PM  

#14  Roe Conn - WLS-am opened his show w/the vote AND that Jaques and Gerhard are willing to train soldiers and want to help.

And the UN is happy, too. As they said, Success has 1000 mothers.....
Posted by: anonymous2u   2005-01-31 3:26:39 PM  

#13  well shinseki was pretty strong on it, Mrs D. Teddy and Grand Kleagle would have been agin it, since they were against the war. Most dems i think would have been for, based on statements of commentators at the time deferring to Shinseki. A few quasi neocons might have gone with a smaller more transformationist force.

I dont think Bill Kristol is pulling a brer rabbit, and he too called for more troops.

Hell the admin INCREASED the troop strength by 20,000, and thats helped to pull this election off. Brer rabbit indeed.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2005-01-31 3:09:33 PM  

#12  The increase in troop levels strikes me a a real Brer Rabbit move. Where would all the Dems have been on that issue in mid-2002?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-01-31 3:03:45 PM  

#11  Kerrys yesterdays news - the dems dont renominate folks who've lost. Havent done so since Adlai, and that didnt work out so well.

Good for Biden and Bayh. Even Levin is talking pretty sane, for him.

And yes, more troops probably WOULD have been better - 150,000 troops is probably enough for now. That, BTW, is an increase from the 130,000 we had for a long time, which was itself an increase. And the admin is FINALLY supporting an increase in the endstrength of the army, and is increasing the number of brigades.

Good for the people of Iraq, and for the US and UK and other coalition troops who made this possible, and good for ALL Americans who supported the US in Iraq, INCLUDING those, like Belgravia Dispatch, Daniel Drezner, Andrew Sullivan David Adesnik, PAul Berman, Christopher Hitchens, John McCain, Joe Lieberman, Bill Kristol, Michael Rubin, et al who did so while criticizing admin policy.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2005-01-31 2:57:51 PM  

#10  More tidbits from the interview:

* he still has the "lucky hat" from the fictitious CIA guy he helped to deliver weapons to the Khmer Rouge
* he promised to finally sign Form 180. I sure hope somebody follows up with this.
Posted by: Rearden   2005-01-31 2:44:51 PM  

#9  Fred, you missed the part that got my blood boiling just before the "overhyped" comment:

it is significant that there is a vote in Iraq. But no one in the United States or in the world -- and I'm confident of what the world response will be -- no one in the United States should try to overhype this election.


Once again, M. Kerry proves himself able to speak more knowlegeably for Old Europe and the Arab League than for the country he hoped to lead...
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-01-31 2:36:35 PM  

#8  I think he's holding his lips on.
Posted by: Fred   2005-01-31 2:35:46 PM  

#7  Yep -- he's a war hero all right!

For which side... I dunno. Now he's claiming he supplide weapons to the Khmer Rouge.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-01-31 2:34:44 PM  

#6  .com, so cruel, I mean afterall, that's the elbow w/all the shrapnel in it! He was a war hero ya know. If ya don't believe it, just ask him, he'll tell ya.
Posted by: Jarhead   2005-01-31 2:32:54 PM  

#5  Y'know, if you were to slam his elbow upward with about 40 lbs of force, it would drive his finger out the back of his head. Not like I'd do anything like that, if anyone was watching.
Posted by: .com   2005-01-31 2:25:50 PM  

#4  You can tell the French elitist blood by his blather. All he had to say was "it's a good start and I'm hoping for the best." Its obvious we've got a long way to go, heck, everyone in the country knows that.
Posted by: Jarhead   2005-01-31 2:23:05 PM  

#3  What's with the picture? Is he flipping someone off or preparing to scratch his brain via his nose?
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2005-01-31 2:21:38 PM  

#2  If anything was "overhyped" in the last months it was Kerry.

Like a soufflé that went poof.
Posted by: True German Ally   2005-01-31 2:19:52 PM  

#1  You gotta admit, he knows "overhyped". Sees it every morning in his bathroom mirror.
Posted by: tu3031   2005-01-31 2:18:39 PM  

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