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Ward Churchill says 9/11 victims were not innocent people
2005-01-27
Between this and USC telling jews not to call themselves 'zionists' because it might offend the muslims I think our education system is going to hell in a handbasket....
A University of Colorado professor has sparked controversy in New York over an essay he wrote that maintains that people killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were not innocent victims.
Nor has anybody ever killed before or after in a terrorist attack an innocent victim, right Ward?
Students and faculty members at Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., have been protesting a speaking appearance on Feb. 3 by Ward L. Churchill, chairman of the CU Ethnic Studies Department.
Ethnic studies, is it? That's what I always look for on a resume...
They are upset over an essay Churchill wrote titled, "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens." Churchill's essay argues that the Sept. 11 attacks were in retaliation for the Iraqi children killed in a 1991 U.S. bombing raid and by economic sanctions imposed on Iraq by the United Nations following the Persian Gulf War.
Then why didn't they attack the United Nations? Seems they'd be on the list someplace...
The essay contends the hijackers who crashed airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11 were "combat teams," not terrorists.
Ward's a little fuzzy on the concept of "combat teams," apparently...
It states: "The most that can honestly be said of those involved on Sept. 11 is that they finally responded in kind to some of what this country has dispensed to their people as a matter of course."
The "most" than can honestly be said about them? I guess that, speaking of quantities less than "most", you could also say that those "combat teams" hijacked four planeloads of innocent civilians going about their legitimate business, running two of them into civilian targets, one of them into the ground, and one into a legitimate military target. But you can't stop there, Ward. There are other acts of terrorism specifically directed against civilians, most of whom are innocent as babes, and some of whom have actually been babes. The same flavor of terrorists, for instance, took 600 people hostage who went to enjoy an evening at the theater in Moscow. The same flavor or "combat team" took an entire elementary school hostage in Beslan. The same flavor of "combat team" blew up a couple beer joints in Bali, blew up commuter trains in Madrid, shot up churches in Pakistan, and blew up two of our embassies in Africa. The very same "combat teams" are trying to intimidate all of Iraq out of voting, because they're convinced that people need to be ruled by holy men. To make their point, they're chopping people's heads off whenever they get a chance. But they're just giving back some of what they received, right, Ward?
The essay maintains that the people killed inside the Pentagon were "military targets."
That's arguably so, assuming we were in a state of hostilities. Even though Binny declared war on us in 1998, we hadn't geared up to a war footing. As far as the passengers on those four planes were concerned, we were at peace.
"As for those in the World Trade Center," the essay said, "well, really, let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break."
Give you a break in what manner, Ward? They were either civilians or they weren't...
The essay goes on to describe the victims as "little Eichmanns," referring to Adolph Eichmann, who executed Adolph Hitler's plan to exterminate Jews during World War II.
No one in the either of the World Trade Center buildings, to my knowledge, was a "little Eichmann." Some were no doubt mean to their wives or ducked their child support. Some probably surfed the internet on their employers' time, or stiffed their creditors. Most probably didn't do any of those things, merely getting up in the morning and going to work, like most of us do. By that measure we're all "little Eichmanns," to include you, Ward... Oh, and in what manner were the passengers on the four planes "little Eichmanns"? Or don't they count?
Churchill said he was not especially surprised at the controversy at Hamilton, but he also defended the opinions contained in his essay. "When you kill 500,000 children in order to impose your will on other countries, then you shouldn't be surprised when somebody responds in kind," Churchill said. "If it's not comfortable, that's the point. It's not comfortable for the people on the other side, either."
First you'd have to demonstrate that half a million children were in fact killed by the UN sanctions and during the first Gulf War. That's an arguable point. Any of the UN sanctions figures would be doubtful, since Sammy was milking the system and grabbing off the money that should have been going to the kiddies, using it to build palaces and maintain an iron grip on power. Remember the truckloads of gold bars found after the war? How many kiddies would a truckload of gold bars feed for how long?
The attacks on Sept. 11, he said, were "a natural and inevitable consequence of what happens as a result of business as usual in the United States. Wake up."
I would state unequivocably that such acts are not a "natural and inevitable consequence" of U.S. policy. Otherwise we'd no doubt have Vietnamese flying planes into buildings all the time. Otherwise such acts would be directed exclusively at the U.S.
A longtime activist with the American Indian Movement, Churchill was one of eight defendants acquitted last week in Denver County Court on charges of disrupting Denver's Columbus Day parade. His pending speech at Hamilton has drawn criticism from professors and students, including Matt Coppo, a sophomore whose father died in the World Trade Center attacks. "His views are completely hurtful to the families of 3,000 people," Coppo said.
Things like that don't matter to innalekshuls like Ward. They're little people, of no consequence...
A spokesman for Hamilton College released a statement noting that Hamilton is committed to "the free exchange of ideas. We expect that many of those who strongly disagree with Mr. Churchill's comments will attend his talk and make their views known."
Are they searching attendees for rotted fruit at the door? Are the campus police breaking up gatherings that feature tar and feathers?
Posted by:CrazyFool

#30  Dan Caplis & Craig Silverman of Denver's KHOW radio afternoon show are leading up an effort to get this moron removed from the University - he is the latest in a series of really stupid and tasteless events at Univ. of Colo.
Posted by: Denver Reader 303   2005-01-28 12:02:14 AM  

#29  Courtesy of Nation Review Online, Mr. Churchill's university page.

As some folks have noted: 1) The school he attended, Sangaman State University, wasn't exactly top tier in the 70s and 2)None of the publications at the bottom of the page were put out by academic presses (meaning no peer review).

Put simply, an academic hack.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-01-27 9:49:45 PM  

#28  White man speak forked tongue.
Posted by: Chief Wiggums   2005-01-27 9:18:31 PM  

#27  Let's have a UN conference about it. I just found a great deal on French Champagne and I already have the fois gras on ice. Whaddya say? Cost plus 150 percent?
Posted by: AnnansDiscountCatering   2005-01-27 9:08:51 PM  

#26  Here are a couple of links describing what AIM thinks of this fraud:

http://www.aimovement.org/Docs/USvAIMwar.html
http://www.aics.org/AIMGGC/press110399.html

Here's a quote from the second:

The ringleaders of this conspiracy are two wannabees, white men masquerading as Indians, who are very deceitful and treacherous individuals by the name of Ward Churchill and Glen Morris.
Posted by: Christopher Johnson   2005-01-27 8:13:32 PM  

#25  Actually, according to AIM {American Indian Movement}, Ward Churchill is a violent Caucasian mole planted by the FBI in the Indian movement to forment trouble. AIM kicked him out for attacking one of their elderly female board members and injuring her. AIM says that there is no evidence whatsoever that Churchill is descended from any known, recognized, or generally accepted tribe of Indians : just an out-to-lunch Commie troublemaker.
Posted by: Uleque Glavise4887   2005-01-27 6:42:09 PM  

#24  What's with the hyper-violent Canadian? All I've ever seen it post is trollish crap.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-01-27 5:59:12 PM  

#23  Churchill is so far out on the lunar fringe, I'm not certain even a 12 ga would get his attention. Unfortunately, there are many goofballs like him populating our universities.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen   2005-01-27 5:51:20 PM  

#22  This son-of-a-bitch is deserving of a 12ga. slug.... right between the eyes.
Posted by: Dudley Doright   2005-01-27 5:23:49 PM  

#21  Jules:

Jeff-does he consider himself an American? He certainly sounds like a lot of leftie Americans to me. (Thanks for the info, though. I was afraid he might be a descendent of a different Churchill.)

I'm not exactly sure, but as the stuff he spouts centers around how the evil, White Americans are to blame for everything, I can only assume he considers himself separate from the USA. There are a lot of Native Americans who feel the same way he does and who celebrated on 9/11.

And, of course, the Native Americans are one of those sacred cows - perhaps the most sacred - of the Left, so it's pretty likely no major liberals will strongly condemn Churchill's (if ever a guy didn't deserve his surname...) words. Most Leftists won't admit it, but they feel exactly the same as Churchill. As you said, they're a sick, self-loathing, and ultimately suicidal bunch. Not too different from the old Trappist monks, really, and I'm sure if you told them that wearing hair shirts and sleeping on rocks would be for the Common Good, you'd get a lot of takers among them. :-)
Posted by: Jeff   2005-01-27 4:32:50 PM  

#20  Anyone here living in Colorado? Then consider the following: this guy has the right to say such things on his private time (First Amendment) but
it is an entirely different thing if he is using his pulpit for propagating his ideas. Your pay taxes for having him teaching not for sprouting his ideas. In other words he is steling from the tax payer. Start a camapiagn for such people having to refund the state ALL the salaries they perceived in the last ten years and add a substantial interest.
Posted by: JFM   2005-01-27 4:32:06 PM  

#19  Hopefully this jackass will be run down and trampled to death by the CU buffalo mascot. What an idiot.
Posted by: Remoteman   2005-01-27 4:24:12 PM  

#18  I was at a party in New Zealand on the 26th of December and heard a guy tell me a similar thing. I said that if you carry that logic out to its end, anybody perceiving some injustice can go ahead and condemn another group of people to death without so much as a by-your-leave. Take this insane attitude to its logical end and Mr. Churchill can be perceived as a threat to someone by advocating for murderers. How long does the American public have to act like sheep and go to the slaughter for our alleged sins, asshat?

Of course, nobody in his circle of friends weeps for murder, torture, disfigurement, or rape victims of Saddam. He gets a pass. This additude of Mr. Churchill's is not just bad, but it seems like more of a mental disease. He views our right of freedom of speech as license. Freedom of speech implies responsibility, and a price to be paid for one's view. He has the right to say it, but cheering for murder should have a steep price to pay. We'll see what happens with this fellow.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-01-27 4:02:09 PM  

#17  It's sure hard not to vote with #1 Scooter for a major thumpin for this idiot. As satisfying as that would be, what would be much more just would be for UofC to dismiss him as incompetent and everyone else to ignore him as irrelevant and insignificant.
Posted by: DO   2005-01-27 3:55:35 PM  

#16  Jeff-does he consider himself an American? He certainly sounds like a lot of leftie Americans to me. (Thanks for the info, though. I was afraid he might be a descendent of a different Churchill.)

The leftie self-loathing formula seems to hold these statements as self evident and God help the poor soul who disagrees with one of them on these:

Whatever ills others have done, Americans have done more, worse, longer, more painfully, more unjustly than any other people on earth today or in the past. We are the one nationality that is by nature and culture evil. We must atone for our souls.

Verbally self-flagellate in public. Others must see your guilt and your remorse on the six o'clock news in order to consider you worthy of living on the same planet as they.

Accept responsibility for people in the rest of the world getting robbed and killed by their own criminals. If there are corrupt people in those countries, we are the Dr. Frankenstein.

Agree to pay room, board and medical care for all inhabitants of third world countries. If others don't do so it's because they can't afford to, but they care, they really care, unlike Americans who can afford to pay for everyone everywhere but don't, proving that they don't care.

Accept responsibility publicly for all people who die as a result of warfare. If Palestinians die, it's America's fault for not making the Peace Plan work. If Iraqis die, it's America's fault for the pompous act of risking our own lives to try to help people who said that their leader was a mass murderer.

And never never forget, APOLOGIZE FOR BEING AN AMERICAN.
Posted by: Jules 187   2005-01-27 3:34:10 PM  

#15  Are you gentlepeople speaking of Mr. Cleaver?
Posted by: Eddie Haskell   2005-01-27 3:22:35 PM  

#14  Doesn't matter if he's malicious, uninformed, or stupid! He needs beat down or tar/feather!!
Posted by: Ulaique Uloluns1664   2005-01-27 3:19:35 PM  

#13  It just shows what little intellect it takes to teach Ethnic studies.
Posted by: anymouse   2005-01-27 3:15:15 PM  

#12  Yea J.Q.C., soon to be dead.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-01-27 2:46:44 PM  

#11  What kind of numbskull, dhimmi wit, elevator doesn't go to the top floor, asshole, shit-for-brains, son-of-bitchin, weasle bastard is this pig-screwin peckerwood? Did I miss anything?
Posted by: John Q. Citizen   2005-01-27 2:40:57 PM  

#10  Kill 500,000 children? Is it me, or do the loonies double their number every year or two?
Posted by: Tom   2005-01-27 2:33:34 PM  

#9  Is Ward a military target now?
Posted by: TKAt   2005-01-27 2:26:43 PM  

#8  A more concise citation of self-loathing and nonsensical Western guilt I could not have invented. Bravo, Ward.

Actually, Jules, there's no self-loathing there. Churchill is one of those embittered Native Americans who is totally and utterly consumed by hatred for everybody and everything White. He's pretty successful, too, having built an entire career off of it.
Posted by: Jeff   2005-01-27 2:09:06 PM  

#7  This staggeringly STUPID "professor" has garnered an audience...which many people equate with having validity for your position (e.g., Je$$e Jackson).

Bad enough that as an American we have to have traitorous scum like this moron running around loose, but since he is a “professor” at a public institution that means that in one fashion or another AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS pay part of his salary!!

Deport this s.o.b.!!!
Posted by: Justrand   2005-01-27 2:06:58 PM  

#6  Me thinkum Big Chief Churchill should lay offum firewater, he speakum with loser tongue.

“Bury my heart at Wounded Liver”
Posted by: Big Sarge   2005-01-27 2:05:14 PM  

#5  You beat me to it Jarhead. Un and Iraq involvement. One more thing, when he says
The attacks on Sept. 11, he said, were "a natural and inevitable consequence of what happens as a result of business as usual in the United States. Wake up."
does this include Clinton?
Posted by: plainslow   2005-01-27 2:02:37 PM  

#4  A more concise citation of self-loathing and nonsensical Western guilt I could not have invented. Bravo, Ward.

BTW-Fitting name. Ward. As in psycho.
Posted by: Jules 187   2005-01-27 1:55:18 PM  

#3  Ah, the rantings of a worthless Indian Commie...

I suppose those Iraqi children had it coming, though, using this logic. After all, the Iraqi army raped and killed a lot of Kuwaitis. Chickens roosting, or something like that.
Posted by: Jeff   2005-01-27 1:44:39 PM  

#2  "The Sept. 11 attacks were in retaliation for the Iraqi children who were killed in a 1991 bombing raid and for economic sanctions imposed on Iraq by the United Nations following the Persian Gulf War."

-so why not run a jet into the UN building then?
-This guy has some interesting intel sources, I thought Iraq had no direct involvement w/9-11?
-And how many of the hijackers were pissed off Iraqis btw?

Hijackers who crashed jets into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11 were "combat teams," not terrorists.

-yeah, we should've known by the uniforms they all wore on the planes.

The people killed inside the Pentagon were "military targets."

-If we were in a declared state of war w/another nation I'd agree.

This should be filed under the "When the 1st Amendment is abused by insufferable morons on tenure" list.




Posted by: Jarhead   2005-01-27 1:21:09 PM  

#1  I think a 2x4 slammed repeated upside Churchill's head could be justified as "chickens coming home to roost".... for starters!
Posted by: Scooter McGruder   2005-01-27 1:09:26 PM  

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