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Home Front: Culture Wars
NYT - Tom Friedman - Euros Good, Bush Bad (surprised?)
2005-01-27
NYT - Reg Req'd, so I'm posting the whole piece....
Having spent the last 10 days traveling to Britain, France, Germany and Switzerland, I have one small suggestion for President Bush. I suggest that when he comes to Europe to mend fences next month he give only one speech. It should be at his first stop in Brussels and it should consist of basically three words: "Read my ears."
Ho-ho, Tom, you kidder!
Let me put this as bluntly as I can: There is nothing that the Europeans want to hear from George Bush, there is nothing that they will listen to from George Bush that will change their minds about him or the Iraq war or U.S. foreign policy. Mr. Bush is more widely and deeply disliked in Europe than any U.S. president in history. Some people here must have a good thing to say about him, but I haven't met them yet.
because you have a revolving circle of like-minded anti-American friends, loser. Talk about not listening to dissent
In such an environment, the only thing that Mr. Bush could do to change people's minds about him would be to travel across Europe and not say a single word - but just listen like St. Hillary. If he did that, Mr. Bush would bowl the Europeans over. He would absolutely disarm and flummox people here - and improve his own image markedly. All it would take for him would be just a few words: "Read my ears. I have come to Europe to listen, not to speak. I will give my Europe speech when I come home - after I've heard what you have to say."
"I'm a simple-minded chimp and will do whatever you say"
If Mr. Bush did that none of the European pundits would be able to pick apart his speeches here and mock the contradictions between his words and deeds. None of them would comment on his delivery and what he failed to mention. Instead, all the European commentators, politicians and demonstrators would start fighting with one another over what to say to the president. It might even force the Europeans to get out of their bad habit of just saying, "George Bush," and everybody laughing or sneering as if that ends the conversation, and Europe doesn't have to declare what it stands for.
rrriiiggghhhtt
Listening is also a sign of respect. It is a sign that you actually value what the other person might have to say. If you just listen to someone first, it is amazing how much they will listen to you back. Most Europeans, though, are convinced that George Bush is deaf - that he cannot listen or hear. Just proving that he is not deaf, and therefore the Europeans don't have to shout, would do wonders for Mr. Bush's standing.

What would Mr. Bush hear? Some of it is classic Eurowhining, easily dismissible. But some of it is very heartfelt, even touching. I heard it while doing interviews at the Pony Club oooooohh! , a trendy bar/beauty parlor in East Berlin. And more and more I think it explains why many Europeans dislike Mr. Bush so intensely. It's this: Europeans love to make fun of naïve American optimism, but deep down, they envy it and they want America to be that open, foreigner-embracing, carefree, goofily enthusiastic place that cynical old Europe can never be. Many young Europeans blame Mr. Bush for making America, since 9/11, into a strange new land that exports fear more than hope, and has become dark and brooding - a place whose greeting to visitors has gone from "Give me your tired, your poor" to "Give me your fingerprints." They look at Mr. Bush as someone who stole something precious from them.
"Give us your money! Protect us in war while we snap at your back and undermine your security"
Tim Kreutzfeldt, the bar owner, said to me: "Bush took away our America. I mean we love America. We are very sad about America. We believe in America and American values, but not in Bush. And it makes us angry that he distorted our image of the country which is so important to us. It is not what America stands for - and this makes us angry and it should make every American angry, because America lost so much in its reputation worldwide." The Bush team, he added, is giving everyone in the world the impression that "somebody is coming to kill you."

Stefan Elfenbein, a food critic nursing a beer at our table, added: "I know many people who don't want to travel to America anymore. ... People are afraid to be hassled at the border. ... We all discuss it, when somebody goes to America [we now ask:] 'Are you sure?' We had hope that Kerry would win and would make a statement, 'America is back to what it was four years ago.' We hoped that he would be the symbol, the figure who would say, '[America] is the country that welcomes everybody again.' [But] now we have to wait four more years, hopefully for somebody to give us back the country we knew and liked."

Yes, yes, there are legitimate counters to all these points. But before anyone here will listen to Mr. Bush make those counterpoints, he will have to really listen to them first.

I'm gonna puke. This passes for intellectual opinion in the Old Gray Dowager
Posted by:Frank G

#19  Sorry Tom - off by two. When Bush goes to Europe, he should say only two words - the second one is 'you'.
Posted by: AJackson   2005-01-27 7:35:12 PM  

#18  "I heard it while doing interviews at the Pony Club, a trendy bar/beauty parlor in East Berlin."

With that '70's porn mustache, I'd be careful about admitting to going to places like the Pony Club, Tommy Boy.

Also, Stefan Elfenbein (the Germans have food critics?) says "We had hope that Kerry would win and would make a statement, ’America is back to what it was four years ago.’"

I too wish America could go back four years. That way we could stop the 9/11 hijackers from murdering 6 people I knew, along with three thousand others. What a stupid Dieter! Sorry, TGA.
Posted by: Tibor   2005-01-27 6:23:23 PM  

#17  There is nothing that the Europeans want to hear from George Bush, there is nothing that they will listen to from George Bush that will change their minds about him or the Iraq war or U.S. foreign policy. Mr. Bush is more widely and deeply disliked in Europe than any U.S. president in history.

Three words: So Phuquing What???
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-01-27 6:03:15 PM  

#16  Bet Bush listens real good to some Euros on this trip. ;-)
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-01-27 4:11:56 PM  

#15  Europeans love to make fun of naïve American optimism, but deep down, they envy it and they want America to be that open, foreigner-embracing, carefree, goofily enthusiastic place that cynical old Europe can never be

It's really astonishing to think that the above slop is put forward as a breakthrough insight by the NY Times' preeminent analyst of foreign affairs. It's bad enough that he tries to buttress this claim by boasting that he's spent a full ten days (!) hitting the bar/beauty shops of Europe-- no hard analysis of changes in popular opinion; no analysis of what people read, view, think; no effort to examine the effect of an even more biased and ludicrously slanted 1968er-dominated media upon popular views-- but this caricature of a stereotype doesn't even have any internal logic.

So Europeans hate the US now for hassling them at passport control at JFK? How many Europeans have endured this experience recently? A few thousand? How many patrons of Berlin's "Pony Club" have endured this? Two, three?

This is about as intelligent as arguing that Americans hate France because when they arrive at Charles de Gaulle they see black immigrants and patrols with automatic weapons and attack dogs instead of beautiful girls in short skirts and beret-clad intellectuals.

The divide is simple. We view this struggle as a war. Most Europeans think it's just another counter-terrorist police effort. They see no major difference between the islamofascists and Baader-Meinhoff or the Red Brigades and believe that Bush is imposing his own fundamentalist religious views (HISSSS!!! RELIGION--BAD!!) on the conflict, views which are in the Euros' eyes more reprehensible than Osama's views.

"Listen" my ass, Tommy Boy. We would have far more transatlantic understanding if our diplomats and traveling journos in Europe would insist, again and again, to anyone who will listen that this is war, it is a war against another version of fascism, and we will not make any excuses whatsoever for taking the fight to the fascists and defeating this scourge the only way it can be defeated: by trouncing it, with JDAMS and ballots both.
Posted by: lex   2005-01-27 4:01:46 PM  

#14  Oh well...

I prefer Bush to come to Germany over Friedman.

He'll have some nice people to talk to, don't you worry :-)
Posted by: True German Ally   2005-01-27 3:33:36 PM  

#13  Spot I would have said: We are not a bunch of disarmed pussies. We don't lay around a moan. We actually do things. Yipppy I O Kai A.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-01-27 3:13:43 PM  

#12  Bush took away our America
Their America? Binny and 19 hijackers took away "your" America, asshole. My America is still here and it's a stud!
Posted by: Spot   2005-01-27 2:54:26 PM  

#11  Do an anonymous survey in Iran and you'll find quite a bit of support for George, especially amoung the under 30's which make up 60% of the popluation. Freedom is ony taken for granted when you have it. Unfortunately, Europe hasn't had to fight for it in 60 years. PS guys you wouldn't have it if we didn't fight for you. You can thank my grandfathers and great uncles at the same time you kiss my ass.
Posted by: Rightwing   2005-01-27 2:02:57 PM  

#10  Well, we know where Tom is spending his expense account money -- in trendy bars. If had interviewed a Soho bar owner and a NY food critic, he would have gotten the exact same response.

Years ago, I respected Freidman for the work he did in Beruit. But now, he has sunk to the level of AFP and AP. Couldn't he get off his fat ass ans interview some folks who aren't part of the chattering classes? How about some factory workers? Or a family living on the edge of a Turkish neighborhood?

Freidman just used up the last of his attaboy credits with me. From now on it's all ah shits.
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-01-27 1:41:52 PM  

#9  I spent most life in the U.S. and I could give a shit what Europe thinks about anything. If Tom likes the Euro stand so much he should pack up and move there. If he needs help packing I will be happy to oblige. Maybe we could trade him for TGA or Bulldog?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2005-01-27 1:00:23 PM  

#8  Ã¢Â€Â™America is back to what it was four years ago.’
Which is where their party stands. In the dicitionary that is REGRESSIVE. Of course in their own 1984 manner, they call themselves PROGRESSIVE.
Posted by: Angoting Flineck5798   2005-01-27 12:58:58 PM  

#7  We had hope that Kerry would win and would make a statement, ’America is back to what it was four years ago.’

-which is why he lost. There's no going back to before 9/11. Wake up assholes.

I liked how this guy went to a trendy bar/beauty salon to canvas the "average" euro's opinion - tool.

As far as W going there and not speaking, I'm actually cool w/that tactic. Heck, I don't think our Prez should have to say anything to most of these folks. Let them put their $.02 in if it floats their boat, W should just say "thanks for your input" and do what needs to be done anyhow.
Posted by: Jarhead   2005-01-27 12:28:22 PM  

#6  The author is missing something obvious. These people are victims of the European media which is one constant drum beat of anti-Americanism. It's is couched in the language of anti-Bush spin but it is actually anti-Americanism. The 68ers as they are called dominate the press in Europe. Their hate for the the United States palpable and they control the media and much of many European governments. The United States of America is the cause of all wrong and misery is their meme. The author is on of them too so he misses this. He can't see this for what it is. George Bush the centrist is portrayed as a extreme right winger by European media. ( For God sakes he is a practicing Methodist a very liberal denomination.) Europe needs to hate the United States of America because the EU is a failure. Their economies are moribund. Their birth rates are not sustaining their culture. Europe is dying. They have decided to focus on the United Stats of America instead of themselves and fixing the serious problems they have.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-01-27 11:44:06 AM  

#5  Stay home and save the airfare. Tell the whiners it's Bush contribution to stop global warming.
Posted by: ed   2005-01-27 11:41:39 AM  

#4  How very anti-liberal. Didn't they always used to complain when they would speak and nobody would listen to them? They *never* assumed it was their fault, because they believed in their ideas. But now, when Bush speaks, clearly a man of belief, *and* a man who turns his beliefs into reality with considerable success, the liberals put their fingers in their ears and go "LaLaLaLaLaLa! I can't hear you!" In that way, they sound just like their anti-segregationist forbears sounded. Ironically, now, the left (and Europe) is so empty of new ideas, so decadent in their philosophy, and so exhausted in their ideals, that they have nothing new to contribute. So they demand that others listen to them as they walk around with their fingers in their ears, going "LaLaLaLaLaLa!", as if that could ever change anything. Burning with jealosy and rage, like a small boy whose sister is giving a violin recital to the grown-ups to some acclaim, they hide under the table, red-faced, crying and cursing, "Stop that! #*$*%@^&*!"
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-01-27 11:31:13 AM  

#3  Shoulda gone to Israel, Japan, Australia and India. There's still time to cancel without having to pay penalties.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-01-27 11:27:54 AM  

#2  Yawn - except for the spot on comments.
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-27 11:20:50 AM  

#1  yawn.
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-27 11:19:45 AM  

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