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| Hamas vows revenge against Israel | |
| 2004-12-21 | |
| Palestinian resistance group Hamas has threatened to avenge a deadly weekend raid in the movement's Gaza stronghold with attacks inside Israel. In comments on Monday, the Islamic group's leader in Gaza, Mahmud al-Zahar, also poured cold water on calls for a ceasefire with Israel. "Aggression from Israel will be reacted by self-defence ... whether within the occupied territories or outside the Green Line," al-Zahar said. His comments came after 11 Palestinians were killed over the weekend during an Israeli raid into the Khan Yunus refugee camp in southern Gaza, the deadliest offensive since the death of Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat. Mahmud Abbas, Arafat's successor as Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) chairman, has been trying to persuade Hamas - responsible for most of the anti-Israeli attacks during the course of the four-year intifada - to call a new ceasefire. But al-Zahar said that only a complete end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and a release of all 8000 Palestinian prisoners would lead to such a move. "We have already declared our stand - it should be a bilateral stoppage. Israeli aggression first, the release of all Palestinian detainees, the opening of our borders, real withdrawals from our areas, not redeployment," he said. "The occupation is the cause. The elimination of the occupation will spontaneously stop this aggression." Al-Zahar was speaking on the sidelines of a seminar on the Middle East where delegates appealed for an end to attacks on civilians. Alexander Kalugin, Russia's envoy to the region, said that it would be impossible to put pressure on Israel to tone down its activities as long as attacks against civilians continued.
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| Posted by:Fred |
| #14 I believe GWB just gave them $20 mil to run their "elections"... One word - S T U P I D. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-12-21 1:42:46 PM |
| #13 McCain has been very close to Kristol and the neo cons. You've got that right. Kristol is such a kling-on, why when McCain wipes himself, Kistrol says "Ouch" not so hard next time. |
| Posted by: Capt America 2004-12-21 1:20:44 PM |
| #12 Hillary pro-Israel? Only at election time. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-12-21 11:35:37 AM |
| #11 McCain has been very close to Kristol and the neo cons. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-12-21 11:33:37 AM |
| #10 I suspect the Dems would be kinder to Israel than anyone of the Bush41-Scowcroft-Baker crowd. Traditionally, Republicans have been closer to the Saudis than to Israel. I'd guess Giuliani would be pro-Israel but I'm not so sure about McCain. |
| Posted by: lex 2004-12-21 11:30:38 AM |
| #9 EoZ, a second to what .com says. God luck getting the message acros, cause it won't be pretty for Israel if you fail. The Dems will be more than happy to hang you out to dry when they get in office. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-12-21 11:23:25 AM |
| #8 I believe GWB just gave them $20 mil to run their "elections"... |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2004-12-21 11:05:12 AM |
| #7 Sorry to disapoint you but the money will never dry up as long as European taxpayer money keeps flowing into the Pali coffers. Then make it an expensive losing proposition. When Paleos mount their attacks, don't spare infrastructure in the process of going after the perpetrators and their leaders. If Euros feel it necessary to pour money into a hole, then at least make it a bottomless hole. At some point in time Europe is going to have to face reality, as futility is something that can't continue indefinitely. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-12-21 10:54:48 AM |
| #6 EoZ, If you are correct in stating the left wing of Israeli government is making deals with Communist countries, then the Right needs stop sitting on their thumbs and do something about it. There is way too much PC, in a let's be nice to the Left mentality in Israel, by the Right. We in the Right, in the U.S., had to put up with playing the submissive role to the Left for many years now. Not anymore. Ever since GW showed up, the U.S Right have first, shut down the MSM and second, no longer walking on rice paper in the fear offending a Left-Winger. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER AGAIN!!!! Now getting back to the subject at hand. "The elimination of the occupation will spontaneously stop this aggression." If I was a betting man, I am betting that this statement is a DECLARATION OF WAR! The IDF knows exactly where the snakes head is (Syria/Lebanon), cut it off NOW. Stop playing merry go round with these Jew killers. |
| Posted by: Poison Reverse 2004-12-21 9:54:19 AM |
| #5 EoZ - Perfect synch. You have a better chance of being heard than I do, heh. Everybody's playing fast and loose, these days - and there will be repercussions someday. Sigh. Thx, bro. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-12-21 5:46:00 AM |
| #4 .Com, I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I an ashamed of what my government did here, even though I have zero control on this. I think many people in the military and security apparatus as well as the Israely arms industry are trying to work out some kind of relationship with China. I think this is wrong for many reasons. I think that the level of support and financial and political support we receive from the US should preclude us from any transferring of any technology to China whatsoever (even if it was wholly developed in Israel). If it was up to me I would not sell the chinese even rivets, until they become fully democratic and stop their machinations and power building. I also think there is a big faction in Israel mainly in the bussiness community and lefty circles who are still captive to the Idea that Israel should establish strong economical ties with Europe, even at the expense of taking unnecessary military risks. I object to all of these ties and political intricacies, though I have no way of affecting or changing any of this appart from voicing my objection to these stupid and devious deals with China. As I have studied and lived in the US for an extended period of time, I am a staunch supporter of American Democracy and there is no other place in the world I'd rather live if I was forced to live out of Israel. I personally have tremendous respect for the american people and your form of government. Believe me, irrespective of what those politicians do, there is a nation-wide feeling of support and brotherhood with the US in my country. So, If I was to decide about those deals with China I would definately not go along with it because this is not a way to treat a friend and an Ally. Unfortunately I am not in a position to do anything about it, so you will have to accept my sincere appology for the schmucks who approved the deal. I hope I am loud and clear about this. |
| Posted by: Elder of Zion 2004-12-21 5:11:09 AM |
| #3 EoZ - Oh I get it, I think, as you can see in one of my posts on another thread about Abbas & Co. I have a bit of advice you should pass along to the Israeli Gov't: do not sell any more equipment with US technology to anyone without our approval. No exceptions. I understand Israel "improved" it or whatever. Right. It's 50x harder to create the baseline product than it is to improve upon it - the accomplishment was incremental, no matter how impressed anyone is with it - so the tech is not Israel's alone to sell as it wishes. Tell them to stop calculating America's tolerance and the bandwidth of our support. Every stupid act, such as the sale to China, makes it harder to garner support the next time. I don't give a flying fuck if this offends. It's fact. In principle, it is the action of a traitorous backstabber, not an ally. Period. Penny wise and pound foolish is the homily, but a more honest description is we were betrayed by that and other such sales. Practically speaking, someday we will meet China head-on. Every idea and tidbit of stolen or purchased US tech they can get their hands on will eventually cost us, and it jumpstarts them. Fair warning from some one who supports Israel wholeheartedly. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-12-21 3:55:07 AM |
| #2 .Com, Sorry to disapoint you but the money will never dry up as long as European taxpayer money keeps flowing into the Pali coffers. So I guess indeed that my tax money will soon have to meet with Mr. Zahar in a finned form |
| Posted by: Elder of Zion 2004-12-21 2:31:22 AM |
| #1 "Hamas vows revenge against Israel" Well of course they did. What else could they say? "We're murderous hate-mongering fucktards who asked for it and they really kicked our Paleo asses." ??? That phase won't come until the money's dried up. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-12-21 1:26:19 AM |