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| France stands up to Turkey (really) on Armenian Genocide |
| 2004-12-14 |
| France wants Turkey to acknowledge the World War One massacre of Armenians during negotiations on its membership of the European Union, Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said Monday. "It is a request that France will make, to recognise the tragedy from the start of the century .... Turkey must carry out this task as a memorial," he told reporters after talks with his EU counterparts in Brussels. [later in the article there is acknowledgement that it is the Armenian community that is pressing France to do this] |
| Posted by:mhw |
| #22 Still, they aren't Iran or Syria and that's worth noting ..... true, but Turkey needs to acknowledge their backstab before nat'l relations rehab can proceed. They turned to the EU and got kicked in the teeth. It's always tough to return to a spouse you cheated on after being spurned by your fickle lover, neh? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-12-14 8:22:19 PM |
| #21 Murat does have some truth on his side. Turkey has, for instance, had some security arrangements with Israel recently. That doesn't mean we all hold hands and hum happy songs together and I'm pissed as hell about Incirlik and the refusal for the 4th ID -- especially after we stood up for them in NATO on defense. Still, they aren't Iran or Syria and that's worth noting ..... |
| Posted by: too true 2004-12-14 8:16:17 PM |
| #20 France says Turkey must recognise a never happened genocide...The only thing France fears from Turkey is its pro-Americanism Wow, all that was needed was yesterday's "radical Islamists will never gain power" and it'd have been a trifecta of howlers. |
| Posted by: Pappy 2004-12-14 7:57:44 PM |
| #19 "pro-American" With "friends" like Turkey - we don't need any enemies. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-12-14 6:46:52 PM |
| #18 Still ver. 3.1 is showing signs of rational thought. It is against the rulz to say the Armenian Masacre happened, and maybe this new, slightly improved Murat is making sure his Turko PC tracks are covered. Now, let's talk over rated infantry in Korea. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-12-14 6:43:51 PM |
| #17 France is pro Turkish EU accession ... Britain is pro Turkish EU accession It must be ther Germans keeping them out. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-12-14 6:34:36 PM |
| #16 Everytime you deny the Armenian genocide, it becomes clearer and clearer that you would have cheerfully been slitting throats if you had the chance. not likely. too cowardly. He would have been on the sideline shrieking in ecstacy like a little girl, however |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-12-14 6:25:01 PM |
| #15 Murat: "a never happened genocide". There you have it. That's it! I am hiring a voodoo priest and asking him to summon the souls of Armenians that have been obliterated by Turks so they can haunt Murat in his dreams. |
| Posted by: Sobiesky 2004-12-14 6:13:45 PM |
| #14 Everytime you deny the Armenian genocide, it becomes clearer and clearer that you would have cheerfully been slitting throats if you had the chance. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-12-14 6:03:56 PM |
| #13 I have to dissapoint you guys: for inner politics France says Turkey must recognise a never happened genocide, but at the European forum they say there is no such demand or criteria, let say it is French politics. The only thing France fears from Turkey is its pro-Americanism, with the large population Turkey has she would get lots of seats in the Euro parliament and theorethically together with another pro-American country (Britain) they could veto 75% of all Euro parliament decissions. So to be short France doesn't fear Turkey but the American influence on the European politics. This I write for those no-brain Americans here, so that you can understand a bit what goes on in Euro circles at the moment ---> France is pro Turkish EU accession provided she would get a special status (namely a reduced power in the Euro parliament), Britain is pro Turkish EU accession with full memberships status. |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-12-14 5:57:10 PM |
| #12 Armenian sources say Kemal Ataturk was involved in the later stages of the Armenian genocide. See http://www.armenian-genocide.org/kemal.html |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-12-14 5:34:59 PM |
| #11 This demand is France's way of preventing Turkey from entering the EU. It will probably work, since the current government would be turned out of power if they acknowledged the genocide and the EU won't let them in until that happens now that France has officially made this an issue. Unfortunately, it will also probably contribute to a more radicalized Islamic Turkey over the next decade or so. |
| Posted by: too true 2004-12-14 3:08:11 PM |
| #10 AFAIk, the Armenian genocide was perpetrated by the Young Turks who held power before and during WWI. Ataturk, wasn't a young Turk, in fact he was held an opponent and held in suspicion (according to Lawrence of Arabia). I don't know if he restarted the genocide after his raise to power. Could be since he was a nationalist, or perhaps he didn't because he despised Islamism (someone posted words of him in this forum proving he probably despised not only Islamism but Islam) and Islamism was one of the reasons for the genocide (BTW the spiritual father of Aragfat and Hitler's friend, Hadj Amin Husseini, took part in it). Ataturk got a honoris causa doctorate of a Greek Univeristy for "his work in ending the enemity between Greeks and Turks". However he needed the Greeks. I don't know what he did for or against the Armenians (who by then were part of Soviet Union). |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-12-14 3:01:27 PM |
| #9 seems to me the EU is popping up a big middle finger to Turkey.... |
| Posted by: Dan 2004-12-14 2:12:04 PM |
| #8 DeviantSaint, both, before and after. Ended in 1923, by a sheer lack of Armenians to be genocided. |
| Posted by: Sobiesky 2004-12-14 1:10:35 PM |
| #7 Murat, I'm not up on my turkish history but was the Armenian thing before, after, or during Attaturk's rise to power? |
| Posted by: DeviantSaint 2004-12-14 1:06:11 PM |
| #6 Ah! Michigan! |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-12-14 10:59:51 AM |
| #5 Here ya go, K, heh. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-12-14 10:30:54 AM |
| #4 France stands up for something? Where's the "Hell freezes over" graphic? |
| Posted by: Korora 2004-12-14 10:22:18 AM |
| #3 Nope, Nope, wouldnt us, the Armenians just suddenly and spontaneously all committed suicide. We had nothin to do with it, we swear by the beard of our beloved prophet. You cant insult us by forcing us to admit the truth, Its downright unislamic to do that, Bwahahahahaha.......... |
| Posted by: EoZ 2004-12-14 10:12:23 AM |
| #2 Nothing to worry about = Turkey in denial |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-12-14 10:04:26 AM |
| #1 Turkey is popping up a big middle finger. Some French nerds trying to make bonus in innerpolitical voters atraction. Nothing to worry about. |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-12-14 10:02:02 AM |