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Terror Networks & Islam
US 'losing war of ideas'
2004-11-24
THE US is losing the war of ideas in the Islamic world, failing to elucidate its policies to Muslims wary of American intentions and "self-serving hypocrisy", a Pentagon advisory panel has found. The Defence Science Board, in a report made available today, urged the creation of a "strategic communication" apparatus within the White House and an overhaul of public diplomacy, public affairs and information dissemination efforts by the Pentagon and State Department. "If we really want to see the Muslim world as a whole and the Arabic-speaking world in particular move more toward our understanding of 'moderation' and 'tolerance,' we must reassure Muslims that this does not mean that they must submit to the American way," the report stated.
What's that mean? They're free to kill each other, but not us? I don't think they're gonna buy it. Without freedom of thought, which includes freedom of religion, they're going to remain backwards and unproductive. Period.
The toughly worded report said that while America's efforts to explain its policies have failed, improved public relations efforts cannot sell faulty policies. "Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies," the panel stated. "The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favour of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states."
Muslims — Wahhabis, Deobandis, Hanafis, and other allied schools, plus the Shiites — hate our idea of freedom because it includes religious freedom. It's anathema to them. Bumping off apostates is bedrock. Support for Israel's a matter of policy, and Arabs and Moose limbs could oppose it to their hearts content, even while instituted individual liberty within their own borders. There's nothing stopping them. They're the ones who get out and riot on command, not us.
"Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy," the report stated.
Oderint dum metuant. Where does it say we have to please them, and they have no obligation to please us?
The Bush administration has portrayed the war in Iraq launched last year as a mission to bring democracy to that country in the hope that it could serve as a model to others in the Middle East. US intervention in the Muslim world, including wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, had actually elevated the stature of radical enemies of America, the report stated. "In the eyes of Muslims, American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. US actions appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim self-determination," the report stated.
A little difference of opinion, then? They were just bitching and moaning about how we support authoritarian regimes, and then they bitch and moan about us dismantling authoritarian regimes. No pleasing them, is there? So why bother trying? We should pursue our own interests relentlessly; when it benefits them, that's gravy.
The Defence Science Board is made up of civilian experts appointed by the Pentagon, and offers the department advice on scientific, technical and other matters. There has been a debate inside the US government on what actions are permissible in providing information intended to influence allies and foes alike. In 2002, the Defence Department shut down its new Office of Strategic Influence after critics accused the department of creating a propaganda office to spread lies around the world under the premise of misleading US enemies. "The information campaign - or as some still would have it, 'the war of ideas' or the struggle for 'hearts and minds' - is important to every war effort," but was crucial in the US-declared global war on terrorism, the report said. "In this war, it is an essential objective because the larger goals of US strategy depend on separating the vast majority of nonviolent Muslims from the radical-militant Islamist-Jihadists," it said.
Seems like the approach we're taking toward that end in Afghanistan and Iraq aren't appreciated.
"But American efforts have not only failed in this respect. They may also have achieved the opposite of what they intended," the report said. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said no decisions have been made on the report's recommendations, but added that "the Pentagon will not deviate from its guiding principle of making information available in a timely and accurate manner".
Toss it in the round file. Now, what about dismantling the authoritarian regime in Iran? When do we start?
Posted by:God Save The World

#15  War of ideas....this is all so much bullshit. Forget the notion of democracy at gunpoint. If a Muslim isn't interested in what the U.S. has to offer and prefers to wallow in the past, that's perfectly fine. They can just look elsewhere when deciding who to blame for whatever problems they have.

And don't even think of trying to kill more of us...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-11-24 11:45:38 PM  

#14  I have an idea. Drain the swamp of the Islamofascists then pitch ideas. Oh, by the way, here's another idea, pick your most favored choice: theocratic tyranny and torture or democratic polls? (select one)
Posted by: Capt America   2004-11-24 11:06:43 PM  

#13  I don't totally comprehend the source of this report. I did a search of members of this group and for the most part it's a fairly to very conservtive bunch that are in charge. I'd like to read the actual report before passing judgement but they hadn't posted it on their website last I checked.
Posted by: BillH   2004-11-24 10:59:11 PM  

#12  I'm with Matt -- can't believe precious taxpayer DOD dollars were wasted producing a "study" the gist of which could have been obtained by a 10-minute conversation with any conventional clueless MidEast "expert" in DC.

Natrually the thing echoes every stupid bit of unexamined conventional wisdom tossed out by "critics" and others without responsibilities -- our efforts have only alienated Muslims, our efforts for democracy are considered insincere, etc. What's the data to back this up? I recall the more intelligent looks at Arab opinion suggesting that beneath the boiler-plate many Arabs were watching Iraq with fascination and even anticipation.

I could never force myself to read such a waste of trees, but I wonder if it ever crossed their minds that any info efforts by the US are bedeviled by, uh, that little problem of gross distortion, anti-US bias, and incompetence by the media -- OUR media? Not to mention the lurid propaganda-fest that passes for "news" in the Arab and much of the Third World. How about a "study" that actually takes into account Muslim/Arab ignorance, irrationality, and information deficit, and major media distortion throughout the world, and then suggests new ways to combat same and get a message across?
Posted by: Verlaine   2004-11-24 10:50:32 PM  

#11  oops ..provided BY their host
Posted by: 2b   2004-11-24 10:48:56 PM  

#10  What this shows is that it is WE, the westerners that need to undergo a thought transformation. Islam is a cancer to our free society. They use the freedoms provided their host to kill their host.

It's a catch 22 that we are currently unable to cope with.
Posted by: 2b   2004-11-24 10:48:13 PM  

#9  "If we really want to see the Muslim world as a whole"

that thing exists!? muslim world has a whole...from indonesia to marroco?
Posted by: anon2   2004-11-24 10:38:40 PM  

#8  To quote Niels Bohr with reference to democracy - "They tell me it works, whether you believe in it or not."

What the Moslem world thinks about democracy is completely irrelevant. What matters is they try it and if that has to be at gunpoint, then so be it.
Posted by: phil_b   2004-11-24 10:31:20 PM  

#7  As Bernard Lewis said, the war of ideas has to take place within Islam. The only ones who can successfully wage this war are sane muslim reformers.
Posted by: lex   2004-11-24 10:01:18 PM  

#6  I wouldn't be so fast to give these birds any credibility, just because they are under the Pentagon umbrella. The military hires large numbers of also-rans from academia, to be Pentagon "historians" and "analysts"; which is why they often crank out Brookings Institute-quality leftist bulldada. Make no mistake, their "analysis" of the Islamic world is most likely firmly grounded in what they read in Moslem-government-approved publications, having never been outside the US for any length of time. On top of which, often they are "-files" or "-phobes" of whatever axe it is they are grinding, and have no compunction about slanting their studies to their own personal prejudices. But then, blast it, they publish with a Pentagon letterhead, making the military out to be naive at best.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2004-11-24 9:50:41 PM  

#5  Headline: US ’losing war of ideas’

Typical hyperbole. We were never going to change their minds, anyway, any more than propaganda campaigns defeated the Soviet Union. In Europe, many people thought we were a greater danger to peace than the Soviets.

The funny thing is this - if we're losing the war of ideas, then it seems that even angry Muslims don't have the stomach for jihad. In Iraq, we're looking at perhaps thousands for foreign jihadis out of a population of 1b Muslims. They don't like us, but they're too scared to do anything about it. Which suits me just fine. Sounds like angry Muslims are just a bunch of blowhards.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2004-11-24 9:47:49 PM  

#4  "The US is losing the war of ideas in the Islamic world..."

Right, no doubt that would be because the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are so inferior to Mullah Fadullah's latest fatwa on the need to flog errant teenagers to death.

What are the ideas we "warring" against, Science Board dudes, and how many of my tax dollars did it take you to figure all this out? Was it enough to buy another Abrams?
Posted by: Matt   2004-11-24 9:38:38 PM  

#3  US losing the war of ideas in the Islamic world

apparently that's the fault of the US? Hmmmm no women's rights, honor killings, beheadings of civilian aid workers, suicide bombings....why, oh why, can't we compete??? Looks like we're offering an inferior societal image, huh?


*choking on my sarcasm*
Posted by: Frank G   2004-11-24 9:35:46 PM  

#2  "In the eyes of Muslims, American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. US actions appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim self-determination," the report stated.

In other words, we're not getting the message across. It doesn't matter what our policies really are, the Muslims are hearing that we're villains, and this fits very nicely into their pre-existing religious categories. We have to provide alternative (and accurate) sources of information.

And why aren't we getting our message out better? We can't rely on the MSM. Is it that we don't have an adequate supply of Arabic-speakers, an adequate number of reporters, or is somebody afraid of the the word "propagana?"

Posted by: James   2004-11-24 9:32:38 PM  

#1  Unfortunately, the ongoing war between Islam and the West is a battle of annihilation, with no middle ground or compromise solutions applicable.

The Islamacists know that, and have been waging the current campaign of this war accordingly for at least 25 years (perhaps 2,000 years).

We just don't get it. This war will end when either the last Muslim, or the last westerner, lets out their final dying gasp. The sooner we get on with the unpleasant task of "cleansing" the planet, the better. The alternative is being cleansed.

I wish it were otherwise - I'm not happy being a proponent of genocide.
Posted by: Lone Ranger   2004-11-24 9:20:54 PM  

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