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Iraq-Jordan
Commandos set to storm Mosul
2004-11-19
MOSUL: Iraqi commandos backed by US troops were preparing to storm insurgent strongholds in the city of Mosul yesterday as US-led forces continued their bid to clear the city of rebels. "We are going to start with an area in the centre and then move to places like Al Yarmuk and Sheikh Fatehi Street further west," said Major General Rashid Flaih of a special commando force sent from Baghdad to help restore order in Iraq's main northern city. "We will seize all weapons that we find and cleanse this city of criminals and terrorists."
Excellent!
About 1,200 US soldiers and 1,600 Iraqi troops, including commando, national guard and army units, are taking part in the operation. Flaih said he suspects many rebels flocked to Mosul recently from Fallujah and Samarra after military operations in those two cities to the south. He said 24 suspects were arrested yesterday during raids on a hospital and homes in the Sheikh Fatehi area on the northwestern side of the city. In Al-Yarmuk district, two suspected insurgents were killed and a US soldier slightly wounded in a clash, according to a US military commander. Troops pulled up outside a grain and food distribution warehouse belonging to the Iraqi ministry of trade, from where they said insurgents were suspected of firing mortars, he said. All they found inside were a dozen frightened guards, but suddenly two rebels in an adjacent four-storey building fired on US troops, while one of them pulled out a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. Soldiers immediately opened fire, devastating the building and killing the insurgents.
Posted by:Steve White

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Posted by: Josh   2004-11-19 5:55:24 PM  

#23  The General is telling the Islamofcists where the attack is coming hoping they won't be there when the attack goes in. He is looking for a few easy victories that will build up the confidence of the IPs and Defense Forces and the confidence of the citizens in them. Crawl before you walk deal. Screw the trolls they are all chickenshit.
Posted by: Ebbavith Glavise4727   2004-11-19 11:14:55 PM  

#22  we will eradicate the jihadis
Posted by: Unogum Elmilet5118   2004-11-19 9:13:44 PM  

#21  Was it good for you,Josh?
Posted by: raptor   2004-11-19 6:28:00 PM  

#20  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Josh TROLL   2004-11-19 5:55:24 PM  

#19  Are all Sunni Mosulites on the side of the troops?? It would make this thing alot easier if everyone were on the troopside pointing out the BAD GUYS.

This will happen as elections draw near and average sunni voters realize that the bad guys are only going to succeed in depressing votes in sunni-majority districts.

Lesson: you bomb, you lose. Shi'a and kurds will utterly dominate the sunnis in that case.
Posted by: lex   2004-11-19 1:49:44 PM  

#18  Part of the psyops is for the enemy to see itself on the defensive.

It doesn't so much matter if General Flaih gives correct info or purposely incorrect info or if he just shouts 'death and hell to the jihadis'. All that matters is that after his announcement there is a lot of shooting and dead jihadis (I would actually prefer he shouted 'death and...".
Posted by: mhw   2004-11-19 1:39:07 PM  

#17  MJH-
Yes, it is an assumption on my part that the Sunni insurgents will try to 'hide' or blendin with their fellow 'clansmen' in Mosul. Are they welcomed there? Are all Sunni Mosulites on the side of the troops?? It would make this thing alot easier if everyone were on the troopside pointing out the BAD GUYS..
Posted by: TCal-USA   2004-11-19 1:38:58 PM  

#16  Plus getting them to run also opens up the "off camera" activities that even Tommy Franks said to expect. Plenty more goblins will die trying to run away. Intel gets better and better. I think announcing our plan is often part of the plan.
Posted by: Capsu78   2004-11-19 1:08:22 PM  

#15  The real story in this article is contained in the following sentence: "but suddenly two rebels in an adjacent four-storey building fired on US troops, while one of them pulled out a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. Soldiers immediately opened fire, devastating the building and killing the insurgents."
That's what will drive the Iraqi population's attitudes towards "insurgents" and will break the back of the "resistance."
Posted by: RWV   2004-11-19 12:48:29 PM  

#14  cool - more Iraqi's that US soldiers on this one. Nothing like on the job training.

No more McClellan v/s Lee :-)
Posted by: 2b   2004-11-19 12:03:47 PM  

#13  T-Cal

How do you know we don't have the help of locals pointing out bad guys? Nothing suggests we don't have that help in the article...or any other article I've read. Is that just an assumption on your part?
Posted by: mjh   2004-11-19 10:39:31 AM  

#12  Those contacts are good for as long as you can protect them. That's why I suspect we may need more troops.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-11-19 10:00:46 AM  

#11  yes Mosul is bigger than Fallujah, but it only a little over half the city that is the problem - there are large Kurdish and Turkmen minorities there, its only the Sunni Arab sections where the insurgents will hide.

The coalition hasnt amassed as large a force, but then the insurgents havent had the months to prepare defensive positions.

Probably not worse than Fallujah for coalition forces, but probably more insurgents will get away, as the cordon seems skimpier and last minute.

As for local support for the coalition within the Sunni arab pop of Mosul, thats real hard to say. There have been conflicting reports for the last 18 months - from this is a hotbed of former regime elements, to claims that Petraeus and the 101st had built up good contacts, etc. But how long are those contacts good for? Anyones guess, Id say.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-11-19 9:39:25 AM  

#10  Three stages of Locals versus "insurgents"
(1) active support "Thank Allen you're here...drive the infidels out!"
(2) resignation "OK, you can hang here for a bit...but try not to defile my virgin daughter, ok?"
(3) opposition "Get the FUCK AWAY FROM ME AND MY CITY!!...I've seen Fallujah, and I hate YOU morons worse than the Americans!"

If we're not at Stage 3...we're REAL CLOSE!
Posted by: Justrand   2004-11-19 9:36:50 AM  

#9  Willnot this chasing effort here be much more difficult than Fallujah? Mosul has 6?? times the population of F'jah.. We are playing a game of 'hide and seek' with the insurgents. Without the help of the locals pointing out the bad guys, it looks like a much bigger effort than F'jah. How many of the locals will support the insurgents versus supporting the TROOPS ??
Posted by: TCal-USA   2004-11-19 9:23:20 AM  

#8  Based on what I've read here at Rantburg, running isn't such a good idea, either. How do you like your popcorn?
Posted by: trailing wife   2004-11-19 8:27:00 AM  

#7  Sounds like 36 Commando is living in fast times.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-11-19 8:18:12 AM  

#6  It's a head game. The terrorists can run but at some point they will not be able to hide. This also sends a message to the civil population. Don't hide these guys or we will turn you neighborhood to a pile of rubble. I am sure the pictures of how Fallujah looks today are in circulation. everyone is going to get the message soon. At some point the terrorists will be outed or the civilian population will take matter into their own hands.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2004-11-19 8:17:00 AM  

#5  I think this basically a game of you can run but you can't hide.
Posted by: Doug De Bono   2004-11-19 7:54:31 AM  

#4  There's something truly humiliating about facing an enemy so good they can tell you their plan and there's still nothing you can do to stop them. That humiliation is a powerful weapon in the ME. It saves civilian lives and lets them know it doesn't pay to let the terrs infest the neighborhood. It also keeps the terrs on the run so that they can't go on the offensive. In every city, we find out where they stayed and who their friends are that will need close watching in the future. I just hope we don't stop chasing them till we kill them all or get to Tehran.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-11-19 7:44:22 AM  

#3  Hmmm ... this may be posturing, but it may also be a signal to the civilians in the city that a) an attack is imminent and b) where to leave.
Posted by: rkb   2004-11-19 5:53:18 AM  

#2  mojo - might be misdirection, Not all generals are schtoooopid.
Posted by: PBMcL   2004-11-19 12:42:58 AM  

#1  Oh yeah, announce the plan to all and sundry, General. Real smart.
Posted by: mojo   2004-11-19 12:37:33 AM  

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