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| TURKISH PARLIAMENTARIANS TO OBSERVE US ELECTIONS After a long history of itself sending observers to elections in third world countries, this year the United States has accepted foreign observers for today's hotly contended presidential elections. Under the umbrella of the Organization for Security and Cooperation for Europe (OSCE), a delegation of some 60 parliamentarians from various countries will act as observers at polling places across the US. Representing Turkey in the delegation are Nevzat Yalcintas and Alaaddin Buyukkaya from the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and Haluk Kepenek from the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). The AKP deputies are expected to serve in Washington, DC, with Kepenek observing in Florida, the scene of legal disputes and balloting chaos four years ago. Yalcintas told reporters that the US administration had not been willing, but that the OSCE had urged them to accept the observers. Glad to help you guys becomming a democracy hehehe. :)
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| Posted by:Murat |
| #48 Hey Murat, how many military coups has Turkey had since the revolution? How many of them replaced a democratically elected government? When was the last one? Say the numbers, bitch! Say it! |
| Posted by: Asedwich 2004-11-02 9:11:48 PM |
| #47 Time to conjure up Bedwettian! Or Robert Crawford... which every you like. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-11-02 6:37:42 PM |
| #46 I think Murat II is an Arab trying to pass has a Turk. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-11-02 6:36:37 PM |
| #45 I suspect Murat is an Arab trying to pass as an American. Anyone knows enough Turkish to sublit himl to a little test? |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-11-02 6:02:48 PM |
| #44 Ahhhh, Murat II! Good to see you crawl out of the wood-work to witness our day of victory. |
| Posted by: Secret Master 2004-11-02 5:45:22 PM |
| #43 Or better yet, Are you even American? Last I heard he was Turkish, living, breathing and otherwise wasting energy in Turkey. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-11-02 5:38:38 PM |
| #42 Murat, where are the armenian, cypriot and kurdish representatives from Turkey? because Turkey is such a shining beacon... of democracy... it keeps voting in islamofascists... lucky Attaturk set you up so the military junta would just take over when you got a Taliban government. |
| Posted by: Anon1 2004-11-02 5:18:58 PM |
| #41 Murat, It is one thing to disagree with Bush and another thing to be anti-American. The FREEDOM to disagree is Democracy. But, you are sounding like you HATE America. Which is it? Or better yet, Are you even American? |
| Posted by: Poison Reverse 2004-11-02 4:17:17 PM |
| #40 AzCat: I agree with you--I obviously worded my original post poorly. What I really mean is that I don't mind allowing the states some latitude on design of ballot, recording mechanisms, etc, but that there MUST be some HARD requirements from the Federal level to prevent the "come-one-come all" attitude that exists in California, Wisconsin, and other places. |
| Posted by: Crusader 2004-11-02 3:56:24 PM |
| #39 I agree Crusader but there also must be a proof-of-citizenship requirement to register and a mechanism to automatically purge multiple registrations, registrations for the dead, etc. Eliminating multiple registrations can't really be done by the states. E.g., consider snowbird retirees who split their years between addresses in multiple states. The sort of coordination necessary to prevent multistate registration can really only happen at the federal level. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2004-11-02 3:50:58 PM |
| #38 This Bush guy did not only get you bankrupt, he also flushed your democracy to 3rd world standards This is not an "Osama talking point." The Osama video is almost certainly a fake, produced by a western hack. The style, syntax, content, even the stupid attempts at wordplay and humor all point to an American hand. See my comments on the Osama video thread. |
| Posted by: lex 2004-11-02 3:29:00 PM |
| #37 I'm all for "states rights" on most matters, and I really don't mind allowing states the ability to create their own ballots, implement their own technology for counting votes, and other such liberties. BUT, there MUST be a Federal requirement that a valid state or Federal I.D. be presented before a ballot can be cast. If we don't take steps to ensure this requirement is added, 2004 may mark the last Presidential election won by a Republican for quite some time. |
| Posted by: Crusader 2004-11-02 3:25:55 PM |
| #36 Nope, Mrs. D. my family sued jimmuahs biz for bad peanut seed and won! jimmuah just raises seed peanuts. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-11-02 2:00:21 PM |
| #35 Shipman, I can only name one peanut farmer. It's not a pretty name. Please tell me it's not your uncle's name. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-11-02 1:49:48 PM |
| #34 Just can't wait till this is over and the all the pussies (murat) of the world get a dose of reality! |
| Posted by: Dan 2004-11-02 1:44:58 PM |
| #33 I think its lovely that the whole world is concerned. This is going to be one of those "be careful what you wish for" moments for them -- the observers will go back home and fail in the attempt to apply the same standards there as here... just as many now demand the Miranda rights that they've seen on television, not realizing that is American law, not world wide. Increased rights come when the people realize they are possible, then begin to demand them. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-11-02 12:46:26 PM |
| #32 I'm with the 75% number AzCat! Just don't mess with the Peanut Program! /channeling Uncle Rich Peanut Farmer Shipman |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-11-02 12:28:35 PM |
| #31 This Bush guy did not only get you bankrupt, he also flushed your democracy to 3rd world standards I see you're using the Osama talking points. Well done. Your master is very proud. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-11-02 12:28:25 PM |
| #30 My dear Murat, keep in mind that it was you who introduced scatological invective into this string. As we say in Texas, don't bring a pen-knife to an artillery duel. What you are seeing is not the end of Bush, it is the beginning of the end of the global media elite and their 40 year reign of terror. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-11-02 12:07:05 PM |
| #29 Mrs. Davis, I'm solidly on your side and very sympathetic to your perspective (IMHO something like 75% of our federal government should be dissolved and the usurped powers returned to the states). But there are areas of natural domain for the federal government. For example, no other entity exists that could develop and enforce a uniform set of nationwide voter registration / participation rules. The federal government is also uniquely positioned to, for example, create a nationwide database of voter registrations linked to SS numbers and to require upward reporting to quash multiple registrations. In my opinion there should be solid well-defined federal voter registration / participation requirements for federal elections. If the states chose to piggyback on those, fine. If not, they'd still be free to implement whatever rules they might choose for registration / participation in state & local elections. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2004-11-02 11:18:05 AM |
| #28 After seeing the news items about machines in Philly stocked with several hundred votes before the polls opened, and hearing from a co-worker today about her experience voting in Ohio this morning (She tried re-registering several times in the last three years since moving across town without receiving any confirmation and showed up at the polling place this morning to find--naturally--she still is not registered at her new address. She filled out a provisional ballot, and they didn't even ask to see ANY of her ID.), I'm not so sure this is such a bad idea. For Murat to blame any of this on Bush, however, is ridiculous and shows he has no grasp whatsoever of history--especially where it affects Armenians. Ain't that right, Murat? |
| Posted by: Dar 2004-11-02 11:17:17 AM |
| #27 The dhimmi terrorist who showed the gun in Philadelphia should be shot dead, and the OSCE and Euro-fraud "journalist" enablers should swing from lampposts by nightfall. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-11-02 11:09:31 AM |
| #26 Murat's still angry cuz in the invasion of Iraq, Turkey took it rough from France without a reach-around |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-11-02 11:06:08 AM |
| #25 Fuck you, Murat. I don't take orders from chickenshit Mohammedan murderers or their Euro-dhimmi slaves. Scum, pig son of a Moslem whore's buggered arsehole. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-11-02 11:04:17 AM |
| #24 In the meantime, hundreds of votes were found already registered on voting machines in Philadelphia before the polls opened. All were for Democrats (go figure). Republican poll watchers were chased away at gunpoint. What are the chances that OSCE and other Euro-fucks will have a word to say about this or any other evidence of Demo fifth column cheating? |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-11-02 11:01:18 AM |
| #23 What's the word on those Armenian observers, Murat? Should I pick them up at the airport? I got a pickup, so their coffins should fit in the back. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-11-02 11:00:03 AM |
| #22 Atomic Quit that Bu |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-11-02 10:57:20 AM |
| #21 Murat, it was the depraved Europhiles of the American fifth column, the conventionally designated "left", who created this mess by opposing any and all measures against fraud, especially those designed to verify citizenship and eligibility. The Democratic party defines a simple warning against fraud as "intimidation"; admitting, for any practical purpose, that the suppression of fraud is equivalent to the suppression of Democratic votes. All this was done in the holy name of inclusiveness and enfranchisement, by the same left-wing welfare-state media-driven elitist elements who favor renewed European sovereignty over the Americas, with the result that illegal aliens, common criminals, the dead, and household pets are now able to vote in American elections. Rather, they have votes which are decided on their behalf by self-appointed authoritarians. The interventionist totalitarians of the OSCE are not here to prevent this monstrous left-wing fraud, they are here to validate it. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-11-02 10:50:25 AM |
| #20 Notice how these experts had no problem with the electorial process in America in 1996 when Mr. Clinton was reelected with the rules and procedures then. How those who rejoiced in 1996 then were the ones who wanted to change those same rules and procedures in 2000 when it looked like their favorite wasn't going to win and now want to prejudge the system based upon the fear that their boy won't pull it in again. |
| Posted by: Don 2004-11-02 9:03:10 AM |
| #19 Any Armenians coming over to watch, Murat? Oh, that's right. They're all dead. Another example of Turkish democracy in action. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-11-02 8:54:50 AM |
| #18 muRAT - your are such an idiot. These are observers of the election and nothing more. And this is not the first time. But it is a first to have observers from such a backwards stinking cesspole of country as yours. And you cannot denie that the cities of Turkey do not stink, your sanitary system is in many parts worst than most thirdworld...which is probably why the Euros do not want Turkey in the Union. Really cannot see Bush in his second term pushing for turkey joining, which is one of the main reasons negiotations have progressed so far. |
| Posted by: Dan 2004-11-02 8:54:50 AM |
| #17 Az cat, I have no reason to believe there would be less corruption with federal responsibility for elections. If anything I suspect more. The closer government is to the people, the easier it is for the people to keep an eye on it. One factor in the decline of public education is the migration of power from local schol boards to the federal government. Why wouldn't this be true if the federal government took over elections? |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-11-02 8:33:01 AM |
| #16 Murat! Welcome back my friend. Glad that Turkey could spare some people to help us with our little experiment with this thing called Democracy. Hopefully (one day) our country will become a shining beacon of hope to the worlds oppressed. Oh and by the way ‘Observers’ have been coming to U.S. for election for quite a while. You see they come here to see how it’s down right. When we recently threw our unloved Governor Davis from office, un observers were on hand to witness the recall election. Having un Observers is not the same as having a un Monitor. The un Observers have no authority to challenge a vote or stop a ballot from being cast. No they are there to take notes and keep quiet. That way when they go to say Venezuela they can see how screwed up that election was and then report the opposite to the un overlords. GO BUSH! 40 STATES! |
| Posted by: Cyber Sarge 2004-11-02 8:30:47 AM |
| #15 Little Rat - Where is your moustache today? You're sounding too much like a typical dummycrat rather than the fez wearing clown with a whip that you normally are. Bye bye - got to go out and vote your little ass to hell now. |
| Posted by: Three Monkies 2004-11-02 8:30:42 AM |
| #14 Don't count too much on that lame duck Tom, lawyers won't save him this time, we observe you. |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-11-02 8:29:50 AM |
| #13 Sorry Mrs. Davis but if the states want to screw up their own elections and allow rampant fraud that's fine and many have chosen to do just that for decades. It's time for the federal government to take responsibility for its own elections. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2004-11-02 8:28:14 AM |
| #12 Snicker today, 'Rat, then it's four more years of Bush. And payback is hell. |
| Posted by: Tom 2004-11-02 8:19:51 AM |
| #11 Monkey talk bwahahaa I think Bush went to Iraq to steal Saddams elections formula :-D |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-11-02 8:09:31 AM |
| #10 Cheddarhead - make it so. Murat - Go Fu*k yourself. I cut off your head and see how you like it then scumbag. |
| Posted by: Three Monkies 2004-11-02 7:57:43 AM |
| #9 The federal government needs to stay the hell out of elections and leave it to the states. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-11-02 7:54:27 AM |
| #8 But I really do feel that the voting process in this country should be reformed. The federal government needs to make mandatory the production of proof of citizenship and proof of identity as a prerequisite to vote in federal elections. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2004-11-02 7:50:10 AM |
| #7 Gee, maybe they should check out the polls in Chicago. The joke about vote early and vote often has it roots in truth. But I really do feel that the voting process in this country should be reformed. We need a stndardized system of voting that is used in all polling places. Additionally one should be required to present proof of identification at the polls and your ID should be checked off against a national voters registration system. Would this prevent fraud? No, but it would reduce it IMO. How much would it cost to implement? Probably not that much. |
| Posted by: Cheaderhead 2004-11-02 7:40:37 AM |
| #6 Hey, what stinks around here? Oh ... the 'rat is back. |
| Posted by: docob 2004-11-02 7:33:46 AM |
| #5 Boy I can't stand idiots, Murat your the biggest idiot of them all. |
| Posted by: djohn66 2004-11-02 7:12:08 AM |
| #4 There has alway been and always will be wide spread fraud in voting, except in Canada where everybody is perfect and PC. It's part of democracy for mortals, like crooked politicians. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-11-02 6:58:07 AM |
| #3 Ooh look, it's the Lesser-spotted Turkish Moonbat! |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-11-02 6:49:08 AM |
| #2 Murat has a point. Not that OSCE will somehow make the election fairer. That's just a silly contention. The point is that there will be widespread fraud in this election and at best that will be embarassing and at worst will allow someone to steal what is the most important election of my lifetime. You guys really have to get your identity and immigration policies sorted out. Disclaimer - I'm not a US citizen. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2004-11-02 6:46:21 AM |
| #1 Yep, Bush sure did drag us down to 3rd world standards ... by allowing the observers to cross our borders in the first place. Shameful. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2004-11-02 6:33:52 AM |