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| Africa: Subsaharan |
| Swazi busmen say rape apt punishment for miniskirt |
| 2004-09-30 |
| Posted by:Super Hose |
| #17 Tova's friend Bossana wants to spread the word about R-E-S-P-E-C-T as well |
| Posted by: Ernest Brown 2004-09-30 9:06:54 PM |
| #16 They need a visit from this nice Jewish girl: Tova with her "educational aid" |
| Posted by: Ernest Brown 2004-09-30 9:04:23 PM |
| #15 Lorena Bobbit can REFORM some of this mindset.. |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-09-30 6:42:42 PM |
| #14 Aris, I don't care if most Swazis are Druids. This kind of crap gives even Neanderthals a bad name. Fuck them, and the bus they drove in on. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-09-30 2:13:10 PM |
| #13 agreed.... |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-09-30 1:56:02 PM |
| #12 #7 Frank G, I wasn't crossing swords with you, though it might have come across like that. I was just providing more info. I realise we're on the same side here. #10 Aris, I don't think 2b (or not 2b?) read the headline correctly. It seems he took 'Swazi' to refer to some Muslim group tucked away in the Middle East somewhere and lumped the headline together with other Neanderthal behaviour emanating from the region. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a severe case of information overload with all the crap that's going down. |
| Posted by: Bryan 2004-09-30 1:43:23 PM |
| #11 With the Middle Eastern, South Asian and East Asian countries as distant competitors, sub-Saharan Africa holds the crown for entrenched chauvinistic male privilege and its concomitant abuses of women. Between female genital mutilation and institutionalized rape as punishment, the despicable conduct and execrable attitudes held by so many of the men in that region virtually condemn women to a life of suffering. I have long advocated a policy of making available Norplant long term female contraception to all African women so that they might escape the bondage of perpetual post-pubescent pregnancy. Only when these women have a glimmer of hope to reveive higher education and thereby remain free from dependence upon the institutionalized patriarchal system will they have a chance. Horrid as it is, especially for women, AIDS is the scourge that will finally sterilize Africa of the infected mentality so many men there cling to for their sense of power. Only when a vast majority of these abusive and philandering males are DEAD will things begin to change. However starry-eyed it might seem, ascendancy of matriarchal societal structures will most likely bring a greater degree of peace to Africa. It is difficult to imagine women inciting the constant civil wars, genocides and routine mutilating and amputating of noncombatants or prisoners that is so common today. I have ZERO pity or sympathy for the typical adult African male. The arrogance and cruelty displayed by so many of them needs to be blotted from the face of this earth. AIDS will do this like few other self-perpetuating mechanisms. The only tragedy lies in how many women will be carried along in the riptide of death that shall sweep Africa. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-09-30 1:31:22 PM |
| #10 I'm not even going to read this. I already am sick of this ghoulish cult of death. It's hard for Americans to understand what we are truly up against with the cave-men, but articles like this help to drive the point home. Most Swazi are Christians. So I'm not sure *which* ghoulish cult of death you are referring to. |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-09-30 1:12:17 PM |
| #9 TW - You're correct. Our degree of ordered freedom is a freak in history. What we're seeing now is the end of end of history silliness. You should read Robert Kaplan's recent WSJ article about the WOT as a global effort by small, light US forces against jihadist "Apaches" in dozens of anarchic countries from Mali to Mongolia to Malaysia. |
| Posted by: lex 2004-09-30 10:54:33 AM |
| #8 Perhaps I'm terribly naive ("Perhaps?" you may snort), but is it possible that historically most States were failures by our modern standards? I mean functioning as a source of wealth and power for the few, and with no protection whatsoever for the many? |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-09-30 10:51:13 AM |
| #7 *ahem* - I wasn't trying to make light of that. My snarky comment was referring to a deterrent effect. If every convicted rape was accompanied by the genital removal (and probable death from bleeding), there would tend to be a LOT less rapes. There's not much you or I can do about the sorry-ass state of African justice, when Thabo Mbeki and Comrade Bob are held up as paragons... |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-09-30 10:41:40 AM |
| #6 Frank G, when I last looked there were 65 000 REPORTED yearly rapes in South Africa. (And the number is not a typo). And of course, with the prevalence of aids it's often a death sentence. The dilemma facing that part of the world is that as the justice system steadily becomes more human-rights oriented and more lenient on criminals (there is no death penalty in South Africa) the brutality and sense of entitlement of the man in the street increases. In the absense of appropriate punishment for rape there will never even be the beginning of a solution to this problem. |
| Posted by: Bryan 2004-09-30 10:35:45 AM |
| #5 21c = Anarchic Century. Time to admit that most states today are either failed or failing, and run by kleptocratic, economically incompetent thugs or butchers. Forget North v South, or West v East. The real division is between 30 or so orderly states and about 100 nations mired in varying degrees of chaos. |
| Posted by: lex 2004-09-30 10:35:14 AM |
| #4 "Swaziland is ruled by sub-Saharan Africa's last absolute monarch and has one of the highest rates of HIV/Aids in the world." Barring Columbia, it also has, along with South Africa, which surrounds the small kingdom, the highest murder rate in the world. And the rape rate is right up there as well. Rape and general abuse of women is appalling in these two countries and, of course, is one of the main reasons for the soaring aids rate. |
| Posted by: Bryan 2004-09-30 10:23:50 AM |
| #3 I'd say castration with a rusty butter knife is apt punishment for rape. I guess we're OK, then? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-09-30 10:17:40 AM |
| #2 The Kwa-Zulu-Natal area of South Africa, does not have the highest HIV prevalence(11.7%), as was previously thought, but rather that The Free State and Gauteng (avg 14.6%)have the highest levels of infection. By age, the highest level of infection (30+%) is in the 20-35 age group, while the lowest (15%) is < 20. Seems this is just a ploy to have sex with younger females, where the chance of contracting HIV is the least. The "mini-skirt was the reason" defense just doesn't cut it. |
| Posted by: Anonymous6700 2004-09-30 8:24:48 AM |
| #1 I'm not even going to read this. I already am sick of this ghoulish cult of death. It's hard for Americans to understand what we are truly up against with the cave-men, but articles like this help to drive the point home. |
| Posted by: 2b 2004-09-30 8:09:02 AM |