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Carey: Drop 'Islamic terror' tag ( Call it Buddism terrorism, Maybe)
2004-09-29
The term Islamic should be dropped when referring to terrorists in a bid to foster better relations between the West and Islam, Lord Carey says.
I'll be happy to stop using the term...just as soon as the terrs stop ululating "Allahu Akbar" as they triumphantly hold up the severed head for the video camera.
Hokay, Mr. Carey, how 'bout "Islamofascist"?
The former ArchDruid bishop of Canterbury said removing the word would "deprive a terrorist of his religious legitimacy".
The Allenists have no legitimacy, religious or otherwise. Period.
It would also send a clear message to "the average Muslim" that they were not being blamed for terrorist attacks.
The "average Muslim" has said remarkably little about the terror being committed in Allan's name. I'm not sure if it's because they agree, or because they're scared of the Izlamonuts too.
His comments come after Muslim leaders expressed concern about a growing gulf between the Islamic world and the West. Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi has warned that linking international terrorism and Islam was damaging. "There is an urgent need to stop tarnishing the Muslim world by unfair stereotypes," he told the United Nations this week.
And the solons at the UN stroked their long, flowing beards and piously agreed.
Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has also said there is an "iron curtain" falling between the Islamic world and the West.
Note to Perv: That's not a bad idea. The security fence in Israel is working quite well. So well that Jordan is getting nervous that the intifada might start coming their way...
However, Lord Carey said that while there was a divide, he wanted to resist using such a serious phrase as "iron chador" "iron curtain". "There is a lot of hope in the situation, but I certainly want to say the situation is serious. We must do more about it, and it's a question of everyone pulling together," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. He had begun a personal campaign "to challenge anyone who talks about Islamic terrorists", Lord Carey added. "I think we have to drop the word Islamic because in so doing we deprive the terrorist of his religious legitimacy. He wants religious justification for his evil deeds, and we shouldn't give it to him," Lord Carey said.
Give, don't give...whatever. The terrs tell us over and over that these acts are God's will. You'd best recognize the danger you're in and label it accurately.
"And second, by dropping Islamic before terrorist we are taking a lot of pressure off the average Muslim who simply doesn't want to be portrayed as a fellow murderer."
Fetch me my violin. The really really tiny one.
Wanna borrow my femtoviolin?
He said he accepted that the problems in the Middle East and Iraq had to be addressed, "but it would help the building of bridges if we helped the average Muslim to understand that we are blaming Israel not blaming Islam for this".
I've watched my fellow citizens be murdered and mutilated and desecrated by the thousands, all in the name of Islam. Where is my bridge? Why do I have to "reach out", to "understand"? I deeply resent being labeled kufr and infidel, being lied to in the guise of taqiyya, and hudna. I'm actually angry that I even know these terms
."We're blaming that tiny, tiny minority of people who are using Islam as a weapon to get their own back against the West and to undermine all we're trying to do." Lord Carey reiterated his call for Muslims to denounce terrorism more often. "Terrorists are very evil people and I want to hear Muslims say that more and more," he said.
We all do, Lord Carey.
Posted by:tipper

#18  peggy - don't know if you'll see this today - but good post above.

I agree "the church" will survive. But as a life long episcopalian turned presbyterian, turned adrift by the thought of my money in the offering plate going to fund nuttiness, I can only say that I'm looking for a better church to express my faith.

The last Episcopal church I went to was little more than a platform for the latest dem talking points of the day - even their songs were wacko - one about "the sparrow and the whale" - I kid you not. We laughed out loud and got a dirty look from the rector. I only went once and don't know where to go next.

The Anglican "church" is dying, if not already dead. But it's reason for being is alive and well... so I'm sure it will survive in one form or another.
Posted by: 2b   2004-09-30 7:50:24 AM  

#17  Did any one try being this nice to the Nazis during WWII maybe be thats why we won. Atleast they had the balls to come out and fight wearing a uniform. These Islamic bastards have nothing no morals and no BALLS we cannot be nice to them. May I very humbly request his lordship to shove it where the son dont shine, maybe he is also one of them cross dressing A-Holes.
Posted by: Fawad   2004-09-29 7:09:03 PM  

#16  This one is even better at saying what he needs to do from a more US centric view AP.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2004-09-29 6:51:51 PM  

#15  As much as it has been used, this poster sums up what Lord Carey has to do with his PC suicide advice.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-09-29 6:22:17 PM  

#14  

The former ArchDruid...

Lord Carey, in his annual Autumnal homilie in front of the holy shrine...

And as the sun passeth its keys to the veil of night, so be it bad for the ethos to call Spades to be Spades.

The Lord of Oaks telleth me so...
Posted by: BigEd   2004-09-29 5:45:39 PM  

#13  It seems the good Lord Carey may have ingaged in a little too much bottie-bashing at whatever public school it attended.
Posted by: Pheanter Fleath1288   2004-09-29 3:15:33 PM  

#12  "I think we have to drop the word Islamic because in so doing we deprive the terrorist of his religious legitimacy. He wants religious justification for his evil deeds, and we shouldn’t give it to him," Lord Carey said.

I agree with lex. Maybe we should just call them facists. It would really get to them: "Oh, you're not Islamic freedom fighter-martyr-whatever, you're just a (run of the mill) FACIST."

I also agree with peggy: "I am really pissed that islam is a subject in my life at all and that I know anything about it. Sometimes I could just choke wishing for the days when it was a non-subject."

Ain't that the truth . . .
Posted by: ex-lib   2004-09-29 3:02:48 PM  

#11  2b,

Its not as bad as it seems on the surface. Take the Episcopalians for example. In many respects this branch of the church is just as good as dead, but I am a member of a vibrant and growing orthodox parish. Knowing these people and also knowing that they are part of a revitalization movement within this denomination as well as knowing that they are part of a much larger world wide group of conservative Anglicans gives me cause for belief that a turn around is coming.

When orthodox Episcopalian churches are growing, while the more liberal congregations are dying, then it becomes a matter of time before the conservatives become a majority. These folks are true believers and they possess a boldness and creativity that comes from a degree of desparation. They may be a tiny minority now, almost off the radar at the moment, but I predict that they will become more of a force as time goes on.

This same effect may also happen with the other mainline protestants. It could be that their own dedicated conservative movements are even now beginning to mobilize.

The church has always had times when it seemed that it was truly down for the count and without hope for revival, but it always manages a comeback. Just wait and see.
Posted by: peggy   2004-09-29 1:29:47 PM  

#10  Agree with the sentiments but unfort'y the rest o world's now on our doorstep, for good. Global islamofascist terror is globalization's dirty little joke on all of us.
Posted by: lex   2004-09-29 1:12:38 PM  

#9  I deeply resent being labeled kufr and infidel, being lied to in the guise of taqiyya, and hudna. I'm actually angry that I even know these terms

Dude, I am so dwon with that. I am really pissed that islam is a subject in my life at all and that I know anything about it. Sometimes I could just choke wishing for the days when it was a non-subject.

But now the only way to get rid of it and erase it from my existence is to take part in the cause to rid the world of it in all its current forms to bring it to the point where any adherants of it are so just in name and by quirk not in practice.

None of us asked to have this sh*t intrude on our lives and force itself into our conversations. But how like islam, the agressive virus that it is to do so.
Posted by: peggy   2004-09-29 12:53:09 PM  

#8  This is really kind of sad. How is it that the Anglican churches have strayed so far from their path? The Episcopal, Lutheran and Prebyterian churches also have sunk to depths that make it impossible to put money in their plates. This whole debacle is reminescent of the communists' method of destroying from within.

As good Christians flock from these churches in droves - how many food lines will go empty and unmanned - how many homeless people will not recieve shelter? How many old people in need, or those struggling with death will find these once welcoming halls to be empty and cold?

The why and how this came to be really doesn't matter. Regardless if it is just PC run amuck or a true effort at sabotage from the top, as far as I'm concerned - these organizations are now defunct.

How very sad that something so good could be so completely and totally rotted from within.
Posted by: 2b   2004-09-29 12:47:21 PM  

#7  This is all about the PR war, folks. It's similar to Feith's idea that we need to get all nations to view terrorism the way they now view slavery.

Hearts and minds still matter. If a majority of muslims don't start to fight with us against their fascists, then we'll be fighting this war for another hundred years, and will probably do so more or less by ourselves. Not a smart strategy, esp for a debtor nation with an increasingly weak currency.

Posted by: lex   2004-09-29 12:42:55 PM  

#6  We’re blaming that tiny, tiny minority of people

as many here know, i will stand up for the muslims who do not support terror, and I beleive that, ultimately, we ARE fighting a minority within Islam. BUT - BUT - BUT - it is NOT by any means a tiny minority - it is a LARGE and POWERFUL minority, which is why the struggle is so difficult. When someone says something as dwnright idiotic as the above "tiny minority" statement, it just undermines the whole attempt to clarify that Islam and Islamic terror are not identical.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-09-29 12:36:47 PM  

#5  "Surely the Beeb and the rest of the MSM can't object to that and still be taken seriously by anyone"

lex, I'm not certain that you fully understand which side the Beeb is on....
Posted by: Secret Master   2004-09-29 12:35:55 PM  

#4  
#2
He's an Anglican. Nothing Jesuitical about him. All that logic and common sense are just Papist frippery.
Posted by: Fred   2004-09-29 12:23:56 PM  

#3  "I think we have to drop the word Islamic because in so doing we deprive the terrorist of his religious legitimacy."

Actually that's a brilliant idea, provided the muslims go along. So drop the "Islamo-" prefix and simply call them fascists. Surely the Beeb and the rest of the MSM can't object to that and still be taken seriously by anyone.

If Hitler had been viewed by Germans as an alien fascist rather than a "national socialist" patriot, his rise could have been slowed or even prevented
Posted by: lex   2004-09-29 12:16:09 PM  

#2  Socrates might have something to say about this. If a man is a Muslim and a terrorist, does it not logically follow that he is a Muslim terrorist? Logic and Common Sense 101 must not have been a required course where this guy went to school . . .
Posted by: The Doctor   2004-09-29 12:12:14 PM  

#1  The term Islamic should be dropped when referring to terrorists in a bid to foster better relations between the West and Islam, Lord Carey says.

[...]

Lord Carey reiterated his call for Muslims to denounce terrorism more often.

"Terrorists are very evil people and I want to hear Muslims say that more and more," he said.

The first step to tackling a problem is to admit that a problem exists.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-09-29 12:08:06 PM  

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