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| Terrorists could bring down US jets with hidden bombs |
| 2004-09-29 |
| Suicide attackers armed with hidden explosives that can weigh as little as a cell phone pose a serious threat to the nation's aviation system despite billions being spent on new efforts to tighten security, according to more than a dozen members of Congress and security consultants. The nearly simultaneous bombings of two Russian airliners in midair on Aug. 24 prompted the U.S. Transportation Security Administration to unveil new security equipment and to order more aggressive searches of passengers. But alarming vulnerabilities remain: There's no reliable way to detect bombs under people's clothing, and the vast majority of carry-on bags are not checked for explosives. "We have very low protection against a suicide bomber strapped with explosives," says Rep. John Mica, chairman of the House Aviation subcommittee. "It ushers in a whole new era of danger for the aviation industry." Security officials have struggled for years to defend against plane bombings. Blowing up jets is a high-priority goal for terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda, which has tried to bring down planes with nitroglycerin poured into a bottle of contact lens solution and plastic explosives molded into a shoe. But the Russian bombings, likely carried out by Chechen female suicide operatives, have renewed fears that a determined terrorist could slip past U.S. security measures. Many of today's modern explosives — and even some older varieties — would be nearly impossible to detect as long as the passenger carrying them was not flagged for additional airport security checks. "It's a matter of time before what happened in Russia happens in Australia, the UK or the United States," says Chris Yates, aviation security editor for Jane's Transport magazine. A key distinction between explosives and weapons such as guns or knives is detectability. Airport X-ray machines and metal detectors are designed to find metal and weapons, not explosives. Plastique, TNT, nitroglycerin and other common ingredients in bombs can be detected with machines that test for trace amounts of explosives. But security officials typically only do the test after a traveler arouses suspicion, such as by purchasing a ticket at the last minute. In the "trace" detection test, security workers swab a suitcase, purse or laptop. The swab is fed into a device the size of a computer, which can reliably spot extremely small amounts of explosives. However, the test is mainly used on bags, not people. And since the vast majority of bags are not tested, it is not a reliable way to prevent explosives from getting on board flights. |
| Posted by:Dan Darling |
| #42 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: UFO 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: UFO TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: UFO 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: 007 2004-09-29 12:28:03 AM |
| #41 Fred Pruitt and Steve White, babysitting your treasonous web site cannot wash American blood off your hands. |
| Posted by: 007 2004-09-29 12:20:42 AM |
| #40 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: U F O [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: U F O TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: U F O 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: 007 2004-09-29 12:24:38 AM |
| #39 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: U F O [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: U F O TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: U F O 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: 007 2004-09-29 12:24:38 AM |
| #38 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: UFO [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: UFO TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: UFO 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: 007 2004-09-29 12:22:41 AM |
| #37 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: UFO [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: UFO TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: UFO 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: 007 2004-09-29 12:22:41 AM |
| #36 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: UFO [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: UFO TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: UFO 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: Anymoose 2004-09-29 12:16:17 AM |
| #35 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: UFO [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: UFO TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: UFO 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: Anymoose 2004-09-29 12:16:17 AM |
| #34 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: UFO [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: UFO TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: UFO 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: Anymoose 2004-09-29 12:08:19 AM |
| #33 Fred, your web site is an anti-American snake pit of hate inviting terrorism on US soil and revenge against American troops, either shut it down or stop censoring the truth -- below is one small example of your censorship. #3 Come now Rantburgers, your Zionist lies about WMD and propaganda are killing Americans, the Iraqis are defending against you and the naive Americans are innocent victims whose blood is on your hands. Posted by: UFO [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] Posted by: UFO TROLL 2004-09-06 12:53:42 PM #6 By deleting the truth Rantburg is inciting more hatred and violence against Americans who think that they are fighting for their country when in fact they are fighting and dying for Israel. Fred Pruitt, American blood is dripping from your hands. Posted by: UFO 2004-09-06 1:39:27 PM BTW, the evidence of treason against the United States by you and Steve White of many others is overwhelming, so instead of threatening patriotic posters give some thought to the case that can be presented against you. |
| Posted by: Anymoose 2004-09-29 12:08:19 AM |
| #32 Using dog or other critters on this scale isn't possible. The animials get burnt out and become ineffective. On the anti troll posting steps Registration is not a big deal. I got no problem with it. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-29 5:16:31 PM |
| #31 Hi Jennifer! Long time, no screech. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-09-29 4:52:44 PM |
| #30 would keep the Islamoboomers down |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-09-29 3:59:36 PM |
| #29 Does anybody know whether or not dogs (or pigs) would be useful in sniffing out explosives on passengers at airports? (#26) |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-09-29 3:53:08 PM |
| #28 I haven't heard a word from the bum since Gentle disappeared. And with Murat silent for the last few days, I'm beginning to think there's a manage e trois going on. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-09-29 3:17:48 PM |
| #27 They shouldn't allow explosives on to the planes to begin with. Its just stupid, eventually one will explode. Is that what happen to the Russian planes? |
| Posted by: Jennifer 2004-09-29 3:03:24 PM |
| #26 Plastique, TNT, nitroglycerin and other common ingredients in bombs . . . What about dogs? |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-09-29 2:22:01 PM |
| #25 Poor Mr. Davis, he seemed well adjusted, friendly, nice to kids and dogs and then BOOM! Do yawl communicate thru the personals Mrs. D. ? |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-09-29 9:58:16 AM |
| #24 What Spook said. I too vote for TypeKey. |
| Posted by: lex 2004-09-29 9:50:02 AM |
| #23 No. I say simply put any post coming from the proxies in the "fertilizer" hopper which doesnt get much attention and is a circular queue (in ordr to prevent flooding). Put otherwise unidentified posts in the moderator queue. After they get approved, add the IP to a list of "may be OK IP addresses. After 5 "approved" posts, the IP joins the "good" IP list. This will put "known good" poster's IPs that are outside of the ban range in the "green light" status (i.e. if you post regularly and are not a troll, your posts go directly to the page instead of to the holding area), most other new posters into the "waiting area" where they will get approved, and the known troll adresses into the "red light" - where they get held until somone wants to go in and clean them out. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-09-29 9:32:16 AM |
| #22 Registration Now! Typekey is so effective I can't comment at Captain's Quarters. Probably something the old man said before he went over to the dark side. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-09-29 8:41:27 AM |
| #21 the best part of Boris ran down his mother's leg. Wonder which sailor in the Israeli Navy left it?....That's why he's such an antisemitic nutjob |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-09-29 7:35:02 AM |
| #20 I'm all for registration. We still have fun over at LGF, when Charles sometimes lets the guard down for a good night of "drinking" threads. Fer Fark's sake, even AOL'ers can post here. /grin |
| Posted by: Asedwich 2004-09-29 2:25:44 AM |
| #19 Maybe Mr. Mossad will laser designate Boris's bed for the IDF Apaches. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-09-29 1:41:10 AM |
| #17 I have zero problem with registration. I just hate the thought of creating any more work for Fred and the gang. With the flurry of trolls lately, registration might prove to be less work in the long run tho. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-09-29 1:23:00 AM |
| #16 SPod, yea, he can do that, but if you have a valid email addy required for verification, then it may be too much of a hassle after a few tries. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-29 1:09:11 AM |
| #15 The thing is he is likely using compromised machines not proxies, he gets them from his other small penised buddies on IRC some place. He would just register again and again. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-29 1:01:52 AM |
| #14 Sure. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-29 12:59:28 AM |
| #13 I'm all for registration. Anyone else? |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-09-29 12:55:56 AM |
| #12 That's why there is a proxy list. I have that in my hosts.deny file. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-29 12:52:51 AM |
| #11 Banning is too good for Boris. Fred needs to look into implementing the equivalent of the vBulletin "miserable user hack". |
| Posted by: Classical_Liberal 2004-09-29 12:50:59 AM |
| #10 Memesis, thats actually easy to do. Open proxies (from all over the world) are a dime a dozen. No need to change his ISP. Email registration (with delayed posting privileges) might work better. |
| Posted by: True German Ally 2004-09-29 12:47:01 AM |
| #9 It is possible to ban a range. Sure, it may prevent some random visitor to se RB, but Boris would have to seek another ISP. And another, and another. You get the idea. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-29 12:40:57 AM |
| #8 UFO Troll, it is you inviting the terrs to US soil. If US did not try to deal with them outside and tie them there, they would see it as an invitation to US soil, in fact, they already did on 9/11. Simply because no one responded in any meaningfull fashion to all previous attacks. But logic is not something that you ever displayed in any quantity. Now, scurry away. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-29 12:37:55 AM |
| #7 Zenster, I guess our Serbian troll who thinks underscores are the suppressed truth goes through anonymous proxy servers. And I bet the FBI has a file on Boris alone in the basement already. |
| Posted by: True German Ally 2004-09-29 12:37:48 AM |
| #6 If a man or woman is willing to die to blow up a plane, I don't think there is much anyone can do about it. The hand held explosive detectors are a joke. I popped my airbags and went to the airport a few hours later. Even though I told the screener I had explosive residue on me and my bags from the airbags, the sniffer did not pick up anything. I seriously doubt even the new walk though sniffers can detect explosives hidden in body cavities. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-09-29 12:34:48 AM |
| #5 Fred, have you ever considered handing over the ISP addresses of some of these trolls to the FBI? There may be a few who need to be monitored. As to the above article, despite such ease of bringing explosives on board and the overwhelming predominance of terror attacks being carried out by males of Middle Eastern descent, profiling will still be regarded as the scourge of modern civilization. As I've said before; Norm Mineta and every single one of our representatives and senators all need to be forced to use public transportation. When all of these parasites are flying along side of us in commercial jet aircraft, their tune regarding profiling will change in a New York minute. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-09-29 12:34:08 AM |
| #4 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: 007 TROLL 2004-09-29 12:28:03 AM |
| #3 Frank, Boris infestation. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-29 12:27:32 AM |
| #2 Why hidden bomb? How about shoulder held missile from the mosque 5 miles from DFW airport. Very likely already rehearsed with TWA800. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-29 12:22:33 AM |
| #1 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: 007 TROLL 2004-09-29 12:20:42 AM |