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U.S. Jets Pound Sadr City
2004-09-27
U.S. jets pounded suspected Shiite militant positions in the Baghdad slum of Sadr City on Monday, killing at least five people and wounding 40. Elsewhere, insurgents detonated a car bomb and fired rockets, killing at least four National Guardsmen, in separate attacks targeting Iraq's beleaguered security forces. The airstrikes in Sadr City, a hotbed of insurgents loyal to renegade Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, struck several "positively identified" militant hideouts, the U.S. military said. Residents said explosions lit up the sky for hours before dawn. Mangled vehicles, debris and shards of glass littered the streets.

Five people were killed and 40 were wounded — including 15 women and nine children, said Dr. Qassem Saddam of the Imam Ali hospital. At least two children wrapped in bloodstained bandages rested in hospital beds and one man suffered burns from head to toe. Insurgents also fired three mortar rounds at a nearby U.S. Army base, but the shells fell short and exploded in a civilian neighborhood, said U.S. Army spokesman Lt. Col. Jim Hutton. It was not immediately known if there any casualties. "While maintaining security is a primary concern, we are also very concerned about ... putting the innocent residents of eastern Baghdad at risk," Hutton said. "The enemy shows no concern for the Iraqi people."
Posted by:Fred

#23  when is dr saddam gonn a mention the 50 or so insurgents thAt got vaporized as being casualties too?
Posted by: smokeysinse   2004-09-27 7:51:57 PM  

#22  So how are the death camps at DU PR?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-09-27 6:57:48 PM  

#21  It was either Lenin,or Stalin that said(paraphrase)"1 death is a tragedy,10,000 a catastrophy,1 million deaths is a stastistic".
Posted by: Raptor   2004-09-27 6:20:39 PM  

#20  jules

Bad mouseball. It won't happen again.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2004-09-27 4:20:05 PM  

#19  PR-why are you including today's date with everyone's name--bad mouse ball or coincidental flagging?
Posted by: jules 187   2004-09-27 3:01:48 PM  

#18  All eyes on Sistani. His support is the key to the country's transition. If Sistani's favoring Allawi, then things are moving in the right direction.
Posted by: lex   2004-09-27 2:58:17 PM  

#17  PR = we dont know whats in the NIE, the MSM seem to have themselves only seen excerpts, probably biased by their source. In any case its role was to lay out worst case scenarios - a good idea. Dont see they spent much time in detailing how much slow short run improvement there might be.

As for Sadr, i know everyone who wants his blood was disappointed. But his troops are cleared out from najaf, where many died. Theyre steadily being killed in Sadr city, Najaf, and elsewhere. More importantly several of his lieutenants have been arrested, and hes on the run. And Sistani is happy with how it worked out and is supporting the Allawi govt.

Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-09-27 2:51:58 PM  

#16  "If we wannah avoid more psin and suffering we should just bomb a fucking city to ground no one left nothing to take out of rubble it will be still more merciful"

Fawad 2004-09-27, You are talking my language, now.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2004-09-27 2:47:04 PM  

#15  I look at it this way. The terrs are responsible for bringing the wrath on the city. The collateral damage incurred does not involve a long brutal procedure in which a guy is kidnapped and his family is shown a video of his beheading a bomb does not make the family beg for mercy or pit the people against one another. It is brutal but swift and ulitmately more mercifull than the kidnapping / be heading episode. Both are innocent.
If we wannah avoid more psin and suffering we should just bomb a fucking city to ground no one left nothing to take out of rubble it will be still more merciful.
Posted by: Fawad   2004-09-27 2:38:52 PM  

#14  amen, LH - I've heard him spout the Neocon (Jooooos!) lines so often that I turn him off any time he refers to Foreign Affairs. I already know whathe'll say
Posted by: Frank G   2004-09-27 2:38:07 PM  

#13  Dr. Qassem Saddam of the Imam Ali hospital, baby duck, kitten and puppy clinic. I put no credit in these statements. The fact is these terrorst live with their property/women and children. Getting them is not pretty. On the other hand how many inocent Iraqi's have these creeps killed?

BTW Iraq has a huge number of hospitals. The one here where I live was closed and the nearist one is 35 miles away. Thank you CHW you greedy bastards.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2004-09-27 2:37:10 PM  

#12  novak was antiwar from the beginning - hes a paleocon, and a deep israel hater (a jew who converted to Christianity no less)
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-09-27 2:32:48 PM  

#11  "Bush has learned from his team's mistakes with the postwar. Kerry and his team are still living in the early 1980s, and the mistakes they make will be catastrophic"

lex 2004-09-27, I also thought that Bush learned from this mistakes, but I am angry that he let Tater go. You cannot fight terror by letting Sadr live. I hear now that Bush is going full throtle after the terrorists in Iraq. According to the CIA and NIE, Iraq is a failed experiment. Even Robert Novak, a conservative, wrote an article that Bush is going to cut and run after the election. I am going to wait and see what happens (how many terrorist leaders he will kill) or is this just an election year ploy.

BTW, I think Carter is the reason for all this mess. I believe Carter sold this country down the river. Carter put in power, the Iranian Mullas that we have to deal with now. In turn supporting Hezbollah, the most dangerous terrorist group.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2004-09-27 2:31:10 PM  

#10  tee hee - you funny, hap
Posted by: lex   2004-09-27 1:58:42 PM  

#9  hi hap! lhr sends regards!
blood for eleanor!
Posted by: half   2004-09-27 1:43:48 PM  

#8  He's not necessarily a troll. No problem with calling Iraq a "quagmire", if you like, PR, but please tell us precisely why you're voting FOR Kerry.

As a hawkish Democrat I find utterly no reason to vote for such an obvious poseur and opportunist. He's worse than Carter, and if by some miracle (say, gas prices spiking by 50 cents at the pump in coming weeks) he pulls this out, I have absolutely no confidence that Kerry has the faintest idea what to do in Iraq or Iran. The idiotic mantra about getting non-existent support from the French, or referring all to the UN, will not cut it in the big leagues.

Bush has learned from his team's mistakes with the postwar. Kerry and his team are still living in the early 1980s, and the mistakes they make will be catastrophic.
Posted by: lex   2004-09-27 12:55:54 PM  

#7  PR: Why do I have to be a troll? If I am a troll, then Colin Powell is a troll. He just came out and said that the Iraq situation is getting worse, during an election year.

Because Colin Powell was doing his blood, sweat, toil and tears bit, and PR is doing his Iraq is a quagmire schtick. Powell is basically saying it will get worse before it gets better, and PR is saying that this is Little Big Horn all over again.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2004-09-27 12:45:32 PM  

#6  getting numb on the reports of the casualties of women and children

Same here. But to me that's not bad-- just another sign that we're entering Phase II of this war that will last probably another decade or two.

So best to ratchet it up in Iraq, and bring the battle there to a conclusion. Get the elections going, make them rolling elections if at all possible (note to sunni bad boyz: you bomb, you lose), and move on to the other fronts. Iran's not going to be pretty either, and we're losing time.
Posted by: lex   2004-09-27 12:10:33 PM  

#5  SR-71 2004-09-27, Why do I have to be a troll? If I am a troll, then Colin Powell is a troll. He just came out and said that the Iraq situation is getting worse, during an election year.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2004-09-27 12:07:56 PM  

#4  Troll clean-up on Row 3.
Posted by: SR-71   2004-09-27 11:57:18 AM  

#3  On top of that, you have the Communist News Network and Most Socialist NBC showing video of Iraqeee's (terrorists) pulling kids out of the rubble.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2004-09-27 10:59:28 AM  

#2  I hate to admit it, because I'm a very sympathetic person, but in the last year, with all of the beheadings and insanity from the fanatics, I'm getting numb on the reports of the casualties of women and children. Not that I don't think they are sad - but to put it in perspective - 60,000 innocents die here in the US from car accidents. I wish it weren't so - but it is. Though each individual instance is terribly sad - 60,000 car accidents as a whole, just doesn't register on the pity meter anymore. Cars are necessary and I can't fix the problem - so what will be, will be.

The only thing that I still get outraged over is the fanatics deliberate targeting of women and children. FM
Posted by: 2B   2004-09-27 10:12:20 AM  

#1  I don't believe Dr Qassem Saddam is *ahem* an objective source. If, however, there were women and children hurt it is the fault of the cowardly Islamic Heroes™ who hide behind innocents. Pussies
Posted by: Frank G   2004-09-27 10:04:19 AM  

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