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| Former Turkish captive describes fate at the hands of Zarqawi's thugs |
| 2004-09-24 |
| Murat might want to take a look at this - look at how Zarqawi's stormtroopers regard Turks. You think that this is going to end if they do somehow succeed the US out you're sorely mistaken. Perhaps the words were meant to be reassuring after the blindfold and the guns at her back. But for Zeynep Tugrul, a young Turkish journalist held hostage in northern Iraq, her captor's calm statement was as comforting as bathing in ice. "Please understand why we have to make sure who you are," said the man who had seemed so friendly, the one everyone called the emir, or leader. "There have been lots of spies here, and we had to cut their heads off." |
| Posted by:Dan Darling |
| #28 Well, the Irish were the last to have a go. I still haven't got my hearing straight since that twat detonated himself in The Strand. The Scots are limited to football violence, and since Gazza's goal in Euro 96 they've been fairly quiet too. As for the Welsh, one can only laugh.. Domestic violence tends to involve The Taigs aka Papist Scum. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 5:11:05 PM |
| #27 I'm dissappointed, Howard, I was really under the impression that the only thing that the Scots and the Irish could agree on was killing the English? Not so? ;-) |
| Posted by: Jame Retief 2004-09-24 4:10:09 PM |
| #26 "The last group," she said, shuddering as she recalled how they kicked her and whipped her with a spiked belt, "they just wanted to torture for nothing." Not for nothing. They do it for a (sick) sense of power. Torturers are secretly afraid that they are worthless. How ironic that through torture they prove that their fear is true. |
| Posted by: jules 187 2004-09-24 4:02:33 PM |
| #25 From some time I have been suspecting Murat is an Arab passing for a Turk. Notice the lack of concern about bombings in Turkey or the fate of his supposed compatriots. Anyone knowing a little Turkish so we can test him? |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-09-24 3:28:33 PM |
| #24 Let him come Tom. Though he may be a tad embarrassed when my relatives ask him to show his knee caps. |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-09-24 11:32:04 AM |
| #23 LOL! I'm sure he'd find using money with a woman's head on it troubling from an Islamic perspective. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 11:25:54 AM |
| #22 Murat plans to slip out of London and sneak over into Ireland. That will be his only chance to use Euros in his lifetime. |
| Posted by: Tom 2004-09-24 11:21:35 AM |
| #21 Murat + the Beausant = Justice |
| Posted by: RN 2004-09-24 11:15:08 AM |
| #20 Thanks,Howard. |
| Posted by: raptor 2004-09-24 11:00:52 AM |
| #19 I believe both are Scots regiments if memory serves me correctly... and we all kow what the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders did at Al-Amarra a few months back. More on the Coldstreams |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 8:49:24 AM |
| #18 "Whom is America liberating" at minimum, the kurds and most of the Shia. One columnist in the Jerusalem Post says the US SHOULD withdraw from Iraq, so the Shia and Kurds can handle the Sunni Arabs with toughness that the US wont. Bring on the civil war he says - the good guys will win. Im neither so pessimistic about the Sunni Arabs (how do you know the kids in Mosul arent under compulsion of some kind - or that some Sunni arab areas arent more cooperative than the Sunni Arab parts of Mosul) nor so optimistic about a civil war - but the point is well made. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-09-24 8:49:21 AM |
| #17 Hmm,there are sure alot of Welsh/Scot soldiers in the British army for a people who hate the English. Correct me if I'm wrong,but aren't the Cold Stream Gaurds(they gaurd Buckingham Palace)Scots?Isn't the Blackwatch a Welsh Regiment? |
| Posted by: raptor 2004-09-24 8:43:16 AM |
| #16 Aye, with a knife when they start getting hurt. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 8:20:12 AM |
| #15 queensbury rules or cowardly impotent middle east rules i.e. from behind and defenceless ? :)) |
| Posted by: MacNails 2004-09-24 8:15:35 AM |
| #14 I fancy challenging the prick to a fist fight in Hyde Park. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 8:06:32 AM |
| #13 Needing a gardener Howard? |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-09-24 7:46:49 AM |
| #12 Hahaha... Howard, that is a nice pictoresque image you've painted. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-24 7:40:03 AM |
| #11 Oh, yea, Turkie is really the pinacle of civilization, that's for sure. Well, then, Murat, stay in Turkie, you wouldn't venture into such barbaric places like UK, would'ya? |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-24 7:29:08 AM |
| #10 'Hate' is a tad strong. Certain rivalries exist, doubtless. BTW: wondered if you fancied kneeling in front of a Templar flag in an orange jumpsuit at any time during your impending visit? |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 7:27:24 AM |
| #9 How come, Murat that Armenians and Kurds hate Turks? Arabs do too, but that does not count in my book, I think that Turks had always a good reason to loathe Arabs. |
| Posted by: Memesis 2004-09-24 7:25:21 AM |
| #8 You call England a civilisation? How comes that the Scots and Welsh all hate the English? |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-09-24 7:21:57 AM |
| #7 Just wondered if civilisation was a complete anathema to you. BTW are the relevant authorities informed? |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 7:12:26 AM |
| #6 I am planning to yes, why? |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-09-24 7:02:46 AM |
| #5 Murat, you ever come to London? |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 6:24:19 AM |
| #4 We had Zarqawis family boasting on the Beeb last night re: the British hostage. They should all be snatched and held as a warning. Animals. Murat, your ilk are once again plumbing the depths of humanity. I think sooner or later we have to drop the PC approach and go WW2 on the insurgents - an Iraqi colleague here in London is in total agreement with me. the whole population are against you.. simply untrue. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-24 6:14:20 AM |
| #3 We are preserving our safety and freedoms here in America. The liberation of the Iraqi people is only a possitive by-product to this, not to be confused with the original reason that we went into Iraq. |
| Posted by: darkCircle 2004-09-24 4:16:55 AM |
| #2 "I saw that around Mosul, everybody is the resistance - not terrorists, but not civilians really either," she said. "They used the small kids to bring them water, and nobody treated them like children. They'd be with the men who were talking about cutting heads, and the kids would be standing guard, like little men, so you become afraid of the children too." A quotation from the article you sent Dan, once again this creates the question "Whom is America liberating", the whole population are against you. |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-09-24 3:56:57 AM |
| #1 Scott Taylor's account is here. It was my intention to enter the city before it was shut down, and then send reports about the civilian casualties and possible humanitarian crisis that would result from a major battle. Dumbass almost got himself, Zeynep, and a driver killed. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-09-24 12:39:16 AM |