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Muslims not to blame for Beslan massacre? (ballicks!)
2004-09-15
A Chechen politician has claimed that both Chechnya and Islam are innocent in the massacre of civilians at a school in Beslan, Russia. Badr Al-Din Bino, who lives in Jordan, said in a television interview on Dubai's Al-Arabiya TV that Russia will continue to implicate Muslims but that it was "intelligence agencies" that are responsible for the carnage.
Does that make him a politician in Jordan of Chechen descent? Or does it make him another of Maskhadov's mouthpieces, a junior version of Zakayev?
The Middle East Media Research Institute TV Monitor Project, or MEMRI TV, features a video clip and translation of the interview with Bino.
"I am surprised that Putin refuses to conduct an investigation into this issue," he said.
Terrs took over a school and slaughtered kiddies. What's to investigate?
"Even stranger 
 is that they initially said the leader of this group was from Ingushetia and later they said those who carried out this operation were Arabs or people from al-Qaida, and that 15 of them escaped.
I wasn't aware they admitted anybody escaped...
I am absolutely certain that just like in Qatar, when they assassinated the president, they will put on a show and release four or five Arab or Chechen prisoners and conduct a show as though they are the ones who carried out this operation.
They didn't bump off the president of Qatar. They offed Zemlikhan Yandarbayev, who was for a short time president of Chechnya. I'm assuming by "release" the speaker means "trot out" four or five Arab or Chechen prisoners. The only one I know about is Kulyaev, who was begging for his life on Russer TeeVee, and who seems to have been one of the Bad Guys...
Therefore, the Chechen and Islam are innocent of this operation, which was planned by intelligence agencies.
We're missing a causation chain on that statement. The "therefore" doesn't go with the guy said just before, even if what he said was true.
"Where are the Russian forces? Either there is a failure and the Russian forces cannot secure this region or there was Russian collaboration."
It's a possibility, I suppose. Or it could simply be that in a country that's relatively free people can move around and do all sorts of things without having to answer to the authorities. Things are tighter in Chechnya, since the terrs have made life such a mess there...
Continued Bino: "I ask, what was the terrorism: The taking of hostages or the operation to release them?
No doubt in my mind: the taking of the hostages. Terrorism by definition. And the fact that the hostages were kiddies makes it even worse.
I am surprised at Moscow. 
 They used BZ gas, which is internationally banned and is a new substance manufactured by Russia.
I think taking a theater full of hostages might be internationally banned, too. If it's not, it should be...
They refused to give it to the hospitals in order to produce the antidote. Suddenly, the kidnappers acted with such ease, even though it is known that the Beslan school area is surrounded by tanks and planes.
Known to whom? It seems the Beslan area wasn't particularly bristling with military hardware, since it was at peace, not expecting any kind of attack...
"I am surprised at the Russian media and surprised that the Arab media repeats what is said in the Russian media. They always accuse the Arabs and claim there are Arab elements, but as of yet, we have not seen on TV Arab faces who participated in the operation."
Posted by:Mark Espinola

#17  Bino is a classic example of what apparently happens to an otherwise rational mind after allan-worship. Denial, denial, denial.

I haven't figured out if it's just a huge, permanent stupid pill implant, or if it's some sort of permanent hallucinogen.
Posted by: anymouse   2004-09-15 4:31:21 PM  

#16  Desert Blondie, the problem is the Muslim mindset somehow allows complete disconnected logic. One can think Bin Laden is a hero for standing up to the US, while also believe he's innocent of wrong doing and probably working for Mossad. That slippery relationship with logic has kept them primitive.

If they weren't misogonyst, homophobic, murders with a penchant for pedophilia I would almost feel sorry for them.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2004-09-15 4:27:35 PM  

#15  Who is Badr Al-Din Bino and why is he wasting our precious airwave bandwidth and oxygen? This maggot does not even show up on Google. What gives his statements any credibility, besides the fact that they confirm what all Arabs want to believe?

Once again, we need wetwork teams to seek out blathering mouthpieces like Al-Din Bino and silence them. There should be a very dear price for disseminating flat-out lies that distort the trail of evidence surrounding terror atrocities. We need to make every attempt at misdirection and obsfucation of terrorist involvement carry a price tag. Al-Arabiya should enjoy at least a 48 hour period of jammed transmissions. Continued production of such terrorist coverups should result in physical damage to their studios.

Many people continue to blat about how we need to "win the hearts and minds" of the Arab street. We will have no chance to do so until these outlets for terrorist propaganda are either shut down or destroyed. If avoiding any human death is an imperative, then use an e-bomb to fry their transmission and studio production equipment.

Al-Arabiya and al Jazeera are nothing but the equivalent of another Wahhabi cleric spewing anti-American pro-terrorist propaganda. The big difference is that these broadcasters can reach MILLIONS of information-starved viewers in a completely controlled media market. There is no difference between these outlets and Tass or Pravda during the Soviet era. They need to be read the riot act post haste. Either produce fact based and reliable reporting or face the consequences. Arab media outlets such as these are effectively inciting terrorism by making it seem as though Islamist terrorists are blameless and the retaliations against these murderers are uncalled for. That needs to change right away.
Posted by: Zenster   2004-09-15 2:50:00 PM  

#14  rjschwarz - the problem is they keep buying that same load of sh*t. Just give them a few days and they will believe that no, Muslims had nothing to do with it.....it was Mossad/CIA/MI6/the Camp Fire Girls.....the only difference is they won't celebrate this like they do 9/11. I guess killing schoolchildren is beyond the pale, even for them.
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2004-09-15 2:28:02 PM  

#13  The attack went over badly as far as Islamic public opinion is concerned so they are trying to deflect blame using the tried and true method of asking the Islamic world to believe in wacky conspiracies.

Need I remind you folks that a lot of Muslims still deny Al Queda had anything to do with Sept 11 despite Bin Laden admitting it and Al Queda using the attacks in their recruiting videos.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2004-09-15 2:14:06 PM  

#12  Could be physics teachers with those beards.
Posted by: Howard UK   2004-09-15 2:07:15 PM  

#11  ogrish.com shows the faces of some of the hostage takers. dead check it out and they look pretty islamic too me
Posted by: smokeysinse   2004-09-15 11:41:03 AM  

#10  Are you sure this isn't the Mainstream Media making this claim?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-09-15 10:22:13 AM  

#9  Yeah, couldn't see this coming...
Posted by: tu3031   2004-09-15 10:07:09 AM  

#8  They celebrate Sept 11 as a great day, yet claim it was Mossad who was behind it.
They glorify suicide bombers, claiming they are martyrs who act out of hopelessness and desperation (as if Atta was "desperate" or any bomber in Iraq is "desperate")
They praise bin laden, who personally broadcast the fact that he was behind the attacks.

Then, they blame their atrocities on a convoluted, baseless conspiracy. And see no inconsistency.
Posted by: PlanetDan   2004-09-15 9:38:10 AM  

#7  there were no Arabs in Beslan..

ASSHAT.

Plenty of muslims though... and a pretty good rendition of an arabic prayer captured in their own footage.. Maybe that footage was filmed by the Joooooooos?!
Posted by: Howard UK   2004-09-15 9:02:47 AM  

#6   there were no Arabs in Beslan..

You were there?
Posted by: badanov   2004-09-15 9:00:02 AM  

#5  seven steps to Mossad

Sorry Chechyna - blather and bluster isn't going to cut it anymore. In case you didn't notice - Putin is headed your way - and it doesn't look like he's in the mood for a he/said she/said. I suggest you get rid of your terrorists yourself or it's pretty clear you are going to get annihilated.
Posted by: 2B   2004-09-15 8:58:38 AM  

#4  there were no Arabs in Beslan..
Posted by: lyot   2004-09-15 8:54:01 AM  

#3  Western Intelligence Agencies - The New Scapegoat
Posted by: nada   2004-09-15 8:22:35 AM  

#2  Yeah the fucking Arab faces were away from their camels so you could not recognize them
Posted by: Fawad   2004-09-15 7:19:47 AM  

#1  I cannot understand this. The Islamists take hostages and Russian security is responsible. This guy Bino is seroiusly fucked up
Continued Bino: "I ask, what was the terrorism: The taking of hostages or the operation to release them?
Man get some education.Hostage taking is the most cowardly act but has a long and colorful history in Arab culture.
Posted by: Fawad   2004-09-15 7:18:23 AM  

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