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Home Front: Politix
CBS News stands by Rather
2004-09-10
Bush Guard Memos Questioned
NEW YORK, Sept. 10, 2004
Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos that say President Bush's National Guard commander believed Mr. Bush was shirking his duties.
Lotsa questions. Basic questions...
The memos, which were obtained by CBS News' 60 Minutes, say Mr. Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Guard pilot because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical exam. The network defended the autheniticity of the memos, saying its experts who examined the memos concluded they were authentic documents produced by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.
"And they were experts, by Gawd! Know a lot more than you guys know, by Gum!"
But Killian's son, one of Killian's fellow officers and an independent document examiner questioned the memos.
"What the hell is this?" quoth he...
Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said he doubted his father would have written an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's performance review. "It just wouldn't happen," he said. "No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."
"Pop was in his right mind. I'm not sure CBS is..."
The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time also said he believes the documents are fake. "They looked to me like forgeries," Rufus Martin told the Associated Press. "I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years." Killian died in 1984.
Well, obviously you're wrong. I mean, CBS hired experts fergawdsake!
Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software.
Hey! Wotta coincidence! That's what we've been saying — and duplicating — too! I've seen about a dozen of them, starting with LGF. I did one myself. The only guy that couldn't quite bring it off was Daily Kos, and that was because his copy of the image was skewed. The letters are the right end of the line were above those on the original. Directly above those on the original.
Lines, a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, pointed to a superscript — a smaller, raised "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" — as evidence indicating forgery. Microsoft Word automatically inserts superscripts in the same style as the two on the memos obtained by 60 Minutes, she said. "I'm virtually certain these were computer generated," Lines said to the Associated Press after reviewing copies of the documents at her office in Paradise Valley, Ariz. She produced a nearly identical document using her computer's Microsoft Word software.
Make that a baker's dozen, then...
In the Wednesday broadcast, 60 Minutes said the memos were "documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file."
The one his son says he didn't have...
In a statement, CBS News said it stands by its story. "This report was not based solely on recovered documents, but rather on a preponderance of evidence, including documents that were provided by unimpeachable sources, interviews with former Texas National Guard officials and individuals who worked closely back in the early 1970s with Colonel Jerry Killian and were well acquainted with his procedures, his character and his thinking," the statement read.
Were they well acquainted with his word processor?
"In addition, the documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but by sources familiar with their content," the statement continued.
Did they compare the signatures posted below?
"Contrary to some rumors, no internal investigation is underway at CBS News nor is one planned."
"We'd rather commit journalistic suicide. We're so dense, we don't realize this stuff on our faces is egg."
The White House distributed the four memos from 1972 and 1973 after obtaining them from CBS News. The White House did not question their accuracy.
"More documents, sir. CBS sent them over!"
"Well, release them to the press. Don't bother me with them."
Robert Strong was a friend and colleague of Killian who ran the Texas Air National Guard administrative office in the Vietnam era. Strong, now a college professor, also believes the documents are genuine. "They are compatible with the way business was done at the time. They are compatible with the man that I remember Jerry Killian being," says Strong. "I don't see anything in the documents that is discordant with what were the times, what was the situation and what were the people involved."
"Except maybe the font. And the superscript. And the fact that the signature doesn't match. And the paper's the wrong size..."
The documents were described in a 60 Minutes story that featured a retired Texas politician's claim that he pulled strings to get young Mr. Bush, then a college graduate at the height of the Vietnam War in 1968, into the Guard — a posting that made service overseas unlikely. Former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes — then the 29-year-old speaker of the Texas House — told CBS News Anchor Dan Rather that he used influence on Mr. Bush's behalf at the request of a Houston businessman friendly with the Bush family, oilman Sid Adger. Mr. Bush has denied he received special treatment. The White House ascribed Barnes' remarks to political motives. Barnes is an adviser to Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry.
... and now lives down the road from Thurston and Lovie in Olde Natucket...
The president's service record emerged as an issue during the 2000 race and again this winter. The Killian documents revived the issue of Mr. Bush's time in uniform after weeks in which Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, has faced questions over his record as a Navy officer and an anti-war protester.
I don't think there's any doubt about his record as an anti-war protester...
In May 1968, Mr. Bush signed a six-year commitment to fly for the Air Guard. Mr. Bush was honorably discharged from the Guard in October 1973 and left the Air Force Reserves in May 1974. Early in his military career, Mr. Bush received glowing evaluations from Killian, who called Lt. Bush "an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot" who "performed in an outstanding manner." Documents released this week show Mr. Bush with scores of 88 on an airmanship test, 98 on aviation physiology and 100 on navigational abilities. The questions about Mr. Bush's service center on how Mr. Bush got into the Guard and whether he fulfilled his duties during a period from mid-1972 to mid-1973.
He got into the Guard by being a Yale graduate and volunteering to take flight training...
After taking his last flight in April 1972, Mr. Bush went for six months without showing up for any training drills. That May, Mr. Bush skipped a required yearly medical examination. In response, his commanders grounded him on Aug. 1, 1972. In September 1972 he received permission to transfer to the Alabama unit so he could work on a political campaign there. What the Killian memos purported to show is that Mr. Bush defied a direct order to appear for the physical, that his performance as an officer was lacking in other ways and that Mr. Bush used family connections to try to quash any inquiry into his lapses. In a separate revelation, the Boston Globe this week reported that Mr. Bush promised to sign up with a Boston-area unit when he left his Texas unit in 1973 to attend Harvard Business School. Mr. Bush never signed up with a Boston unit.
Didn't have to. He had his points for the year.
Posted by:Mrs. Davis

#23  Ooops!

My bad, I glanced quick and grabbed the wrong number! :(

Sorry
Posted by: DanNY   2004-09-10 10:46:50 PM  

#22  This is the bottom line. . .

Dan Rather says that there are three places you can find typewriters and printers with the type of font exhibited in the memos in 1972/3. . .

1) Major printing houses
2) Major newspapers
3) An Obsure National Guard Office in Houston, TX
Posted by: BigEd   2004-09-10 7:59:01 PM  

#21  Dan Rather Tonight

"You gotta believe meeee. Pleez - Pretty pleeez"

Posted by: BigEd   2004-09-10 7:45:52 PM  

#20  Ummmm. . . . Correct Mrs. D but not quite what we were looking for. :)
Posted by: Doc8404   2004-09-10 6:51:23 PM  

#19  The number of primes exceeds the number of non-primes?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-09-10 6:13:55 PM  

#18  Re #17

Angie, good point. But it raises another . . . Why would the Guard be using a regular P.O. box instead of an APO? Also, anything seem strange about 3 . . . 4 . . . 5 . . . 6 . . . 7 ?
Posted by: cingold   2004-09-10 6:03:14 PM  

#17  DanNY: wasn't 34567 a PO Box, not a ZIP code? Houston-area ZIP codes start with 7.

Also, it's possible that ZIP codes have changed since the '70s. They may include slightly different territory, or disappear altogether. In theory, I mean: I don't know this for sure.
Posted by: Angie Schultz   2004-09-10 4:41:51 PM  

#16  Rex. Apparently Barnes' daughter agrees with you. I read an article this am where she says that in 2000 he told her he absolutely did not get Bush in, but just recently told her he was changing his story. She thought it had something to do with the book he was going to publish.
Posted by: Mercutio   2004-09-10 4:38:25 PM  

#15  Also people make typos. I should know.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-09-10 4:09:52 PM  

#14  Usually they do show on the USPS website. The USPS knows that it is a APO. Unless it was retired for some base that was closed and has not yet been returned to service elsewhere.
Posted by: Jame Retief   2004-09-10 4:08:46 PM  

#13  Danny, good catch. But sometimes zips from military bases don't show on those databases.
Posted by: B   2004-09-10 4:03:53 PM  

#12  Fewer things are more clear than the fact that these papers are forgeries. I'm starting to understand how Hitler managed to do what he did.

This is probably one of the more shocking revelations in my life regarding how simple it is to fool people. Just tell a lie and repeat it. It's that simple. If people want to believe it, they will.

Stalin, Hitler, Goebbles, would be impressed. Someday these people will be ashamed of how foolish they are, but I bet, even then, they won't admit it.

Unbeeleeevable.
Posted by: B   2004-09-10 4:02:43 PM  

#11  Not to Beat a dead horse but...

The United States Postal Service Zip Code lookup online engine shows the following for 34567:

"The following errors were found:

ZIP Code 34567

The ZIP Code you entered could not be found in our database. Please confirm the ZIP Code and try again.

If you are certain the ZIP Code you entered is valid, please send an email to incsc@email.usps.gov describing the problem. "

Hmmm, maybe I should fire off a note to them?
After all, Dan Rather is telling us these documents are authentic...
Hehehe
Posted by: DanNY   2004-09-10 4:01:55 PM  

#10  Uh oh, more bad news for the good guys original Bush documents from the same era.

via milty at LGF
Posted by: Shipman   2004-09-10 3:34:44 PM  

#9  CBS's approach -- continuing to dig despite being in a hole -- reminds me of the line from the Billy Joel song (which is about Vietnam I believe): "And we will all go down together."
Posted by: Tibor   2004-09-10 3:18:26 PM  

#8  The FCC's coddling of the networks and the baby Bells is a disgrace. Screw big media. Let a thousand blogs contend.
Posted by: lex   2004-09-10 3:05:29 PM  

#7  DanNY. Great find.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-09-10 3:04:04 PM  

#6  
In a separate revelation, the Boston Globe this week reported that Mr. Bush promised to sign up with a Boston-area unit when he left his Texas unit in 1973 to attend Harvard Business School. Mr. Bush never signed up with a Boston unit.


This would be the same Boston Glob that printed pornography with the caption that they were prisoner abuse photos? The same Boston Glob that is still sticking by Dan Rather's cheap forgeries? The same Boston Glob that published a false story about one of the Swiftvets rescinding his claims? The same Boston Glob that continues to employ a Kerry hack as a "reporter"?

Does the Glob bother to explain why someone who had been discharged/released from duty would need to "sign-up" with another unit?
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-09-10 3:02:58 PM  

#5  Guys,

The chairman of Viacom, SUMNER M. REDSTONE
is supposedly a Military Intelligence vet from WWII:

"Mr. Redstone served in the Military Intelligence Division during World War II. While a student at Harvard, he was selected by Japanese history professor Edwin Reischauer (later Ambassador to Japan) to join a special intelligence group whose mission was to break Japan's high-level military and diplomatic codes. In connection with these activities, Mr. Redstone received, among other honors, two commendations from the Military Intelligence Division in recognition of his service, contribution and devotion to duty. He is also a recipient of the Army Commendation Award."

And this is an excerpt from his address to shareholders of Viacom on June 29, 2000. His last recorded speech was in early 2001...

"CBS, in particular, offers programming that reflects the wide variety of interests and lifestyles of our audience. From 60 Minutes to Letterman, from Survivor to City of Angels, from soap operas to cartoons, CBS has something for everyone. Indeed, this is the very definition of a "broadcast" network.

This is why having a broadcast license is such an important public trust. And this is why all of us at Viacom are so serious about preserving and protecting this trust … be it through preserving the integrity of the CBS News organization, or by increasing the diversity of our on-air and behind-the-scenes crews, or by serving the public with millions of dollars worth of public service announcements."

(emphasis mine)

As a vet shouldn't he know the seriousness of falsifying Military documents?

As a businessman shouldn't he be more concerned about the 'public trust' he mentioned in his speech?

The world wonders...
And the clock is ticking...
Posted by: DanNY   2004-09-10 3:01:03 PM  

#4  Mr Barnes is lying SOB. He was not Lt Gov when Bush entered service - therefore he couldn't have given any politcal favors....and that's just what he said before congress. So either he lied then (perjury) or he's lying now
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-09-10 2:58:15 PM  

#3  Is there a way to drop CBS from your cable service? I don't want them on my TV anymore.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2004-09-10 2:52:35 PM  

#2  Actually, they stand "behind" him. That way it's easier to push him off the cliff if this thing doesn't "go away".
Posted by: tu3031   2004-09-10 2:49:13 PM  

#1  Standby your Dan

I will leave the rest for the students.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-09-10 2:45:22 PM  

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