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| 2004-08-21 |
| Posted by:Super Hose |
| #21 Hell, we're all in agreement then. Let's kill 'em all. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-08-21 8:24:23 PM |
| #20 I agree that we need to "fix" our immigration system ... If you're using the word "fix" in the veterinary sense, I'm with you all the way. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-08-21 7:45:43 PM |
| #19 actually any impartial study previously done debunks the "illegals pay their way through taxes" argument. They overwhelmingly use resources: schools burdened with spec req't (non english-speaking) students; emergency room care instead of preventive medicine (when's the last time you saw an illegal with an HMO?); crimes committed.....they send money home to Mexico rather than reinvest in American economy as we would. They rarely pay property taxes. Social security or payroll is usually in someone else's name or uncollected under the table pay. The burdens aren't worth it, when the economic issues are laid out realistically. They usually only pay sales tax on a day-to-day basis..... I'm for shutting the border, and utilizing a limited worker program which doesn't let the pressure off Mexico - we've been their relief valve to prevent needed reforms |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-21 7:24:57 PM |
| #18 What a "smart" post, #17. Of course, it's this same genius that allows you to judge illegal aliens as being "intelligent" for abusing our largesse. Btw, what actual research can you post to support your half backed theory that illegal Mexicans make monstrously great contributions to American society and that they are so smart for coming here illegally? I'm waiting.... Actually the only thing you smug self-righteous open-borders folks produce is alot of "hot air" and the occasional juvenile character-assassination prank to dismiss the documentation presented by the opposing side. Sadly, maybe that's all you are "smart" enough to do. P.S. your "informed" rebuttal is especially persuasive when it is posted under such an oh-so-subtle nom de plume. |
| Posted by: rex 2004-08-21 7:16:40 PM |
| #17 Can I trade you our nigras one for one on them hispanicks Mr. Rex? We have a lot in common. Send me untainted white money. |
| Posted by: R Byrd 2004-08-21 6:55:18 PM |
| #16 Get off your kool-aid. Damn, you convinced me! |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-08-21 6:52:59 PM |
| #15 And there is the remarkable case of Iran, with a current TFR of under 1.9, which is lower than that of the United States. Between 1986 and 2000, the country's TFR plummeted from well over 6 to just over 2. Daily requirement of MTV is not being met. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-08-21 6:51:58 PM |
| #14 You really don't get it, do you, B. Mexicans are not only in dis-proportional numbers violating our immigration laws. They contribute dis-proportionately to CRIME statistics, putting American citizens' lives and property at risk for being victimized. Then to add salt to the wound, American citizens pay exhorbatant costs to house and feed these illegal Mexican CRIMINALS in our jails. Regarding your characterization of illegals as being "intelligent" for taking advantage of our largesse. What kid of values were you raised with? It is not a sign of "intelligence" to abuse a system of benefits that other people have worked for and sacrificed for. If Mexicans were as smart as you say, they'd stay in their own country and work to build it into a country like ours. The USA was not built into greatness in one day nor did the British hand us a ready-made nation on a silver platter. Mexico has many natural resources -oil for one thing and a great agricultural belt for wine and produce and a coast line for fishing and tourism- and they squander their future by allowing the power and affluence to remain in the hands of 50 families. Is that a sign of "intelligence?" I'd suggest to you that for Mexicans to allow their society to remain a feudal one in this day and age is a sign of ignorance and lack of courage to effect needed changes. How dare you confer the term "intelligence" to Mexicans who come here to live off US taxpayer largesse and ongoing US sacrifice from the time of the Boston Tea Party to the Iraq War. As for our immigration system, currently our immigration system grants the biggest quota, if you will, of legal immigration to Mexico. To say we need to "fix" it to allow more uneducated Mexicans into our nation is absolutely nuts. Get off your kool-aid. I agree that we need to "fix" our immigration system, but so that we allow immigrants in, regardless of color and not because of color, ones whom our country NEEDS for employment and not so we can hug ourselves that we are re-uniting families. |
| Posted by: rex 2004-08-21 6:39:59 PM |
| #13 I'm with B, arrival of the fittest. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-08-21 6:17:28 PM |
| #12 crazy fool and jarhead make good points. As for rex's points, yes they are by definition, breaking the law. But, as I said, if I was in their shoes, I'd like to think I was intelligent enough, and had enough guts be doing exactly what they are doing. So I'm not so hypocritical as to blame them for taking advantage of something that is, from their perspective, a good thing. Yes, many of them are criminals. But most of them are not. Most of them are hardworking, honest people who will help to make this country strong. I applaud them. I do blame the stupid laws that promote the system we have now. I do blame the people who trap them with their "assistance" that works to help keep them down. I agree with above who said that we need to create a system that rewards those who go the legal route. If our congress was worth a &^^%^ they'd make it happen within a year. |
| Posted by: B 2004-08-21 6:05:23 PM |
| #11 Illegal Mexican aliens are not the mythical hard working group that B tries to promote. For one thing, illegal Hispanics contribute dis-proportionally to crime in the USA. As well they are dis-proportionally represented on our welfare rolls. Furthermore the costs of educating and providing medical services to illegal Hispanics far out weighs the financial benefits that these illegals may provide us by mowing our lawns. Crime: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html "Crime and the Illegal Alien" June 2004 Heather MacDonald Welfare, social benefits, bean line rolls: http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back503.html "Back Where We Started: An Examination of Trends in Immigrant Welfare Use Since Welfare Reform" March 2003 by Steven Camorata And last but least...an article on how our open borders folks may give over the WH and Congress to the Democrats permanently so they can save 6 cents a head on lettuce and hug themselves for being so full of charity [or is it sh*t?]: http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back203.html "Latinos and the 2002 mid-term Election: Republicans Do Well When Latinos Stay Home" January 2003 by James Gimpel http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back901.html "Impossible Dream or Distant Reality? Republican Efforts to Attract Latino Voters" August 2001 by James Gimpel For great research papers on immigration, legal and illegal, the Center for Immigration Studies is excellent: www.cis.org Here's a list of recent papers including research about illegals driving down wages of Americans, etc: http://www.cis.org/whats_new.html Regarding the "don't blame the illegal" mantra...puhleaze...that is so patently stupid I won't bother wasting too much of my energy disabusing that crowd of such a nonsensical proposition. Let's think, think, think... back to the example parents have used thru the ages to promote integrity, discipline, respect for others with this little tale: a person bakes a pie and leaves it on a window sill to cool off. Someone sees the opportunity and takes the pie, saying to himself, heck there's an opportunity to fill my hungry stomach. Do you blame the pie maker for creating an "opportunity" or do you blame the person who took the pie and abused the "opportunity?" Never mind, maybe now adays, even on Rantburg, there are posters who can't bring themselves to assign "blame" because no one can ever be wrong when moral relativity is used as a standard. |
| Posted by: rex 2004-08-21 5:54:07 PM |
| #10 You are right B, I think most of them are Hard workers. But illegal aliens are not, by definition, 'law abiding'. However there is a legal and proper way to immigrate to this country. And millions are waiting for their turn to get a legal visa. If we want to have mexicans (or canadians) come across the border and work then we should change the law so that they are able to do so LEGALLY. If we do that then we would: 1) make it safer for them (as opposed to crossing the desert), 2) Cheaper for them (no paying 5K for a 'guide') 3) make their wages higher -- with a higher standard of living for them since they would be legal workers and cannot be abused by employers with shitty wages. 4) Safer for Us since we can control who gets this new-fangled 'workers visa'. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-08-21 5:46:34 PM |
| #9 I don't blame the workers, I blame our pansie-assed system of letting them all in illegally. If any of our politicians on either side of the aisle had a set of balls they'd quit pussy footing around w/worrying about offending hispanic voters and seal the border. Then it would be done, over. But the problem lies in two places: 1) dimmis like the thought of the immigrant vote. 2) Big corporations like the cheap labor. I believe we need to cut off all immigration for at least 10 yrs. Couple reasons: 1) We need to figure out whose here illegally from where, and what's to be done w/them. 2) We need to assimilate as best we can those that are here. 3) Our infrastructure is already on the brink, letting more and more folks in who can't afford health care only gives the dems more ammo to pull that vote while draining are system. 4) There's enough mofo's in the country already, how many more folks are gonna let in?? Our resources are renewable but on the same token, finite. |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-08-21 5:17:30 PM |
| #8 you are right, I haven't tried that. But blaming the workers because we allow them to do it isn't going to solve anything. |
| Posted by: B 2004-08-21 3:59:21 PM |
| #7 Obviously B has never tried to find construction work in Tucson or Phoenix,Az.Hard workers,for the most part yes.However,illigales are the reason that a mason's hoddie can only get $8-9/hr.I wonder why 90%of the Stucco masons are Hispanic? Could it possably be that illigeals undercut the wages of citezens. Nah that couldn't be it.Could it?(sarc) |
| Posted by: raptor 2004-08-21 9:03:46 AM |
| #6 They are hard workers, no doubt about it. Drive by a lettuce field or strawberies or...Whether most want to be Americans or Mexicans we'll find out in 30 years or so. Personally, I'd like to take action now to assure the outcome. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-08-21 8:04:08 AM |
| #5 I disagree. While some of them do, most of them do not. You believe that because you read the garbage press put out by liberal groups trying to cash in on the assistance gravy train. Most Mexicans are hard workers who are just trying to get by. Cut em' a break - or stop asking them to cut your lawn. |
| Posted by: B 2004-08-21 7:56:50 AM |
| #4 These guys are'nt getting up and going, they're commuting. If they became Americans it would be OK. But they want to stay Mexican and get Caliphornia and Tejas back. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-08-21 7:39:22 AM |
| #3 so what if they are speaking spanglish today. They will be speaking English tomorrow. Jeese, Flamebait...this is what our country is made of; the go-getters who got up an went. I think it's great. |
| Posted by: B 2004-08-21 6:42:43 AM |
| #2 Thats wonderful but most of that growth is from illegal imigration. Most of that new population is speaking spanish and spanglish. |
| Posted by: FlameBait93268 2004-08-21 5:30:42 AM |
| #1 --But from a purely demographic standpoint, the United States, virtually alone among developed nations, does not look set to be going off gently into the night.-- In this world w/a bang, and out the same way. |
| Posted by: Anonymous6132 2004-08-21 4:36:25 AM |