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Iraq-Jordan
US Begins Major Push against Defiant Sadr
2004-08-19
Fierce firefights broke out in the Iraqi holy city of Necef (Najaf) as US forces began their assault on radical Shiite cleric Moqtada Al-Sadr and his militia after the group failed to withdraw from the Imam Ali Tomb within the time provided. Qatar-based Al Arabiya television broadcast images of violent clashes near the holy Tomb. No further statement has been issued regarding the clashes so far. Just before the fighting broke out, Sadr Spokesman and Mahdi Army Commander Sheikh Ahmed Shaybani reported that Sadr rejected the Iraqi National Conference's demands to end the revolt. Shaybani told reporters inside the Tomb that they absolutely refuse the demands of Conference. He claims that the demands are not in the line with what they had agreed upon.
What part about "unconditional surrender" aren't you getting?
Interim Iraqi State Minister Kasim Davud set some demands earlier today, which included Sadr disarming his militia, ending the revolt, and withdrawing from the Tomb. Military force would be used against Sadr if these conditions were not fulfilled, said Davud. Sadr was given a few hours to leave the Tomb. Sadr Representative Sheikh Awsal Hafeji indicated that they would show their support to Sadr by remaining in the Tomb. "We won't return the Key to the Tomb," Hafeji declared.
Posted by:Fred

#21  Gromky:

The Iraqi forces that woudl go in are ones that have been on 7 other opposed raids of Mosqes that were used for stockpiling weapons. Their body count is over 100 dead, 50 prisoners, and not even one of their own wounded.

These guys are veteran Peshmerga, or long time Special Forces in the Iraq Army, and a few repatriated Iraqis from other places in the region. ANd the SAS, SBS, Navy Seals, and US Army Special Forces have been training these guys for months.

(And there is a rumor that the Sayeret Matkal has trained them as well - look them up on the internet if you dont know who they are)
Posted by: OldSpook   2004-08-19 10:10:21 PM  

#20  MiniGun? He's dead, Reaganite killed him.
Posted by: Col. Fl;agg   2004-08-19 8:19:09 PM  

#19  If you, um, like miniguns, well, how would you like to own one?

Lol! You can... a BB Minigun. View the video at the bottom you'll see it's a serious toy...
Posted by: .com   2004-08-19 8:09:28 PM  

#18  
Posted by: .com   2004-08-19 6:55:05 PM  

#17  Sadr's only operational brainfart is to use the media to push his agenda. Without the usual media 'hoes around he cannot push it effectively. So how successfully he as able to manoevure will depend upon Allawi and how he overall runs the strategic show. Fingers are crossed.

Including someone like Tater in the political process after his repeated insurrection actions is like putting poison in your own soup. Tater cannot be rehabilitated. His switchboard is forever wired wrong.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-08-19 6:40:38 PM  

#16  kofi's crying...
Posted by: Shep UK   2004-08-19 5:00:29 PM  

#15  hes fucked! watching this now on BBC at 10'oclock hes doomed,just gettinbg battered by AC-130's overhead, whole area around shrine getting blitzed,excellent. :)
Posted by: Shep UK   2004-08-19 4:59:37 PM  

#14  With all the last minute acceptances of terms followed by failures to act, I am nostalgic for the pre-War machinations of Sadaam. Where is Hans Blix? Where are the French ambassadors?
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-08-19 4:57:17 PM  

#13  "Revenge of the Kurds" AND the Olympics. I'll order Pizza.
Posted by: Sgt. D.T.   2004-08-19 4:23:00 PM  

#12  I'd take that bet gromky....the Iraqi forces taking up positions are the ones who stood and fought. They're ready to prove themselves and they've got our airsupport. Tater Tots are mostly a mix of fodder and thugs. Either way....it should make for some fine viewing. I'm gettin' the popcorn ready!
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-08-19 4:00:07 PM  

#11  Sadr looks at his perimeter and concludes that he has the rest of the world surrounded. Personally, I can't see any reason not to fill those walls with tear gas before opening the shooting gallery. What's the chance that they've got anything more than handkerchiefs and squinting for coping with it?
Posted by: Tom   2004-08-19 3:58:52 PM  

#10  gromky, the Kurdish special ops guys have been brought in. Let's see if they get smoked or not.

Posted by: too true   2004-08-19 3:44:02 PM  

#9  Anonymoose,
Well said. Our earlier correspondant obviously knows nothing about "neutron bombs" and how they work. The short skinny; if you set it off far enough away to keep the blast from destroying the building, the vermin inside will survive behind thick masonry walls while everyone in the open for miles around dies an ugly death from radiation poisoning.
If you set it off close enough to fry the tater-tots, the building will be reduced to rubble, with everyone else still succumbing to mega-rads.

This suggestion is, in fact, a brilliant new benchmark in the world of hyper-ignorance, one that even the brainless shills of the fifth column media will have difficulty matching.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2004-08-19 3:23:59 PM  

#8  My money's on the Iraqi military getting smoked as soon as they try it. Then the Americans have to go in and clean up, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

Oh, and I bet the damage doesn't get repaired due to inefficiency.
Posted by: gromky   2004-08-19 3:23:25 PM  

#7  "Sheikh Awsal Hafeji indicated that they would show their support to Sadr by remaining in the Tomb. "We won't return the Key to the Tomb," Hafeji declared."

Ok with me.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2004-08-19 3:17:55 PM  

#6  Final Push!? I'll believe it when I see it. A "Final Push" means 'raising the Red Star over the Reichstag' type action...unconditional surrender by the perps and no face-saving devices extended...
Posted by: borgboy2001   2004-08-19 2:54:37 PM  

#5  Thoose Kurds give us a way to not "offend" {yeech-PC} anyone. Let them go in, settle a score or two, and mount the "late" Sadr's head on the nearest lamp post.
Posted by: BigEd   2004-08-19 1:42:14 PM  

#4  Rest assured that the US Marines, Army, and the Iraqi Army and their Battallion of Special Forces Commando Kurds intend that this situation will indeed now be resolved in hours, and that any further delays will be due to MILITARY, not diplomatic necessity.
(I would like to add a personal note to an imbecile I heard today who says "we oughta drop a NEUTRON bomb on 'em." That statement being that you, anonymous sir, not appearing in this forum, are an idiot. I just HAD to say that to somebody.)
Posted by: Anonymoose   2004-08-19 1:34:40 PM  

#3  Dude, they're in a tomb! They've been fighting in a graveyard! How much more accomodating do you need them to be? Kill them already!
Posted by: BH   2004-08-19 1:18:34 PM  

#2  
Posted by: .com   2004-08-19 1:13:14 PM  

#1  Military force would be used against Sadr if these conditions were not fulfilled, said Davud. Sadr was given a few hours to leave the Tomb. Sadr Representative Sheikh Awsal Hafeji indicated that they would show their support to Sadr by remaining in the Tomb. "We won't return the Key to the Tomb," Hafeji declared.

What's the problem here? Kill them. Simple as that.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-08-19 1:00:55 PM  

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