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| UN Envoy: Palestinian Authority May Collapse |
| 2004-07-14 |
| via Wash Times - EFL By EDITH M. LEDERER (AP) - Jul 13, 11:06 PM EDT The U.N. Mideast envoy on Tuesday said the Palestinian Authority has made no progress toward combating terror attacks against Israel and is "in real danger of collapse." Terje Roed-Larsen’s assessment received a rebuke from the Palestinians and praise from the Israelis, despite his criticism of Israel’s lack of progress in dismantling new settlements and freezing settlement activity. U.S. Ambassador John Danforth called it "a good ... balanced presentation" which stressed that progress toward peace must come through the political process and the road map endorsed by the United States, the United Nations, the European Union and Russia. He said the U.N. envoy’s view of the Palestinian Authority’s weakness raised an "alarm" and "a question of whether it’s possible to have a negotiated peace if one side is so weak that there isn’t anything to negotiate with." Roed-Larsen painted a grim picture of lawlessness in the Palestinian Authority, its failure to institute critical reforms, and he blamed Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. ...more... Lions, tigers, and hyenas - all circling the dwindling waterhole... |
| Posted by:.com |
| #51 Great read ExL. Dot's cool. He's ready and I get that. But what a well writ thing deal. |
| Posted by: Lucky 2004-07-15 2:21:46 AM |
| #50 Some men are private about their sexuality, as an aspect of their sense of personal nobility... For those of you guys out there in cyberspace who are just a little racy--I don't care. It's those that get addicted to photos as sexual fetishes, that get trapped. That weakens the individual, and subsequently, diminishes the character of the society as a whole. ex-lib, I just wanted to applaud such outstanding eloquence. Even though this thread is old news, I do not care. You have outlined a precise and perfectly cogent argument against the prevalent merchandising of women as inert sexual objects while doing so rather elegantly. I, for one, appreciate your candor for the "bluntness" it isn't and suspect Korora just might as well. As for intelligent women, I wasn't aware of any others that were acceptable. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-07-15 2:06:34 AM |
| #49 .com said: "ex-lib - Heavy Sigh. Y'know, I love smart women. The smarter the better, in fact." If you're complementing me, thanks. If not, I still applaud you. Some men like women who are stupid and "use-me" oriented. I respect a man who can hold intelligent women in high esteem. "Looking at your post, now that it's carved into RB stone, would you say you're making this personal?" Nope. It's just my assessment of an issue relevant to the US of A and the broader scope of politics in the world as it relates to social issues impacting politics in the world--an issue you have provided, multiple times, as "entertainment" (right?) on this blog. As you may recall, a couple of times I thought your posts in that direction were funny, but it's easy to get carried away, and, as I said before, I don't want you embarassing yourself. But if you really must . . . go ahead and carry on with it. And I'll gripe about it if I want to. Neener-neener-neener and so there, too. "I apologized to Korora as much as Korora deserved. It could've gone much differently with a tolerant response to my original post ." You're being defensive. Besides, I hardly think him telling you he is chaste in his hobbies or interests (i.e., "birdwatching) was intolerant, .com. "- as there was no offense intended or, IMO, given. " I know you weren't trying to offend him. You were just making a good-natured joke. I got that, already--before I posted anything about your "link". "Even so, I backed off and won't address Korora directly again. That should be enough." Yeah. That was cool. But others were starting to get in on it, and I didn't think it was cool for everybody to dog pile him with personal "you're not a real man" insults, just because he doesn't want to participate it tit-gawking. "Note that K didn't admit to any poor judgement in posted comments." Well, maybe you really offended him. Did you think of that? Some men are private about their sexuality, as an aspect of their sense of personal nobility. "Now here you are, eyes a-fire, fuming and waving your arms where there is no need or call for it." You've got to be kidding, .com. Actually, I was quite calm when I wrote my response. It was primarily an intellectual response, not an emotional one. Read it again. "So, it seems prudent to me to ask: Is this now personal, ex-lib?" Not sure what you mean, "personal" -- Only if the shoe fits, I guess. But I call 'em the way I see 'em. And that's the way I'm wired. Anyway, I let you off the hook in my opener, so what's your beef? I made valid points, whether or not you agree with them. Sorry if my post bothered anyone else. I've been called "blunt" before. : ) But I still stand by posted opinion. For those of you guys out there in cyberspace who are just a little racy--I don't care. It's those that get addicted to photos as sexual fetishes, that get trapped. That weakens the individual, and subsequently, diminishes the character of the society as a whole. And that bothers me. Deal with it. .com--you're okay with me. No friendly fire intended. Has anybody seen any Islamotwerp trolls I could bash? They don't come 'round here too much anymore, but they're sure a lot more fun to wrangle with. 'cuz I hate "family" feuds . . . |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-07-14 11:53:56 PM |
| #48 Remember Nice to the Nice. |
| Posted by: Dr F Burns 2004-07-14 7:44:43 PM |
| #47 The PA may fall! Quick, call Kofi & the UN so they can transfer some more money and yell at America for this terrible tragedy! And get .com to E-mail those pictures to Arafat - give the bastard a heart attack! And send them to Suha, too, with an attached note that says, "This is who we think your husband's secretly dating while you're in Paris." |
| Posted by: The Doctor 2004-07-14 7:31:31 PM |
| #46 see i like tolerance, which means I got major problems with intolerance Deciding to tolerate intolerance may be an interesting academic theory (frankly it IS an interesting academic theory) but its no way to live in the world. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-14 5:40:19 PM |
| #45 LH - "thats why im a liberal" But a manly & Hawkish one - and I still consider that a compliment as no one has yet convinced me of the merits of the PC Way. I believe Sharon's / Israel's policy is astonishingly obvious (I wish it had occurred to me first!) - and effective. In the world of diplo-puffery, it was a bombshell, I'm sure. I'm not certain I agree with the last statement of your quote, but the rest of it sings, lol! |
| Posted by: .com 2004-07-14 5:34:45 PM |
| #44 Angie: The blindfold and cigarette gag . . . best! quip! ever! |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-07-14 5:32:21 PM |
| #43 Its cool, dot com, i value tolerance for different perspectives and ways of life - thats why im a liberal (runs away) |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-14 5:26:45 PM |
| #42 With regard to the lovely Suha's chins...my husband once informed me that in Egypt, at least, the standard for beauty is 100 kilograms. His cab driver took one look at my shortly-after-wedding-nerves photo, learned that I'd borne neither sons nor children, and failed to understand why my husband hadn't exchanged me for a heftier model. I still don't make the cut, but I'm unfortunately edging closer! |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-07-14 5:26:43 PM |
| #41 from haaretz (a columnist) Israel would like to view Barnier's visit as indicative of the success of its policy to boycott Arafat's visitors. When Sharon introduced the policy in 2003, some feared that it would boomerang, and that Israel would find itself isolated in a "Muqata." However, this policy, as some senior diplomats in Tel Aviv concede in private conversations, succeeded beyond all expectation. Ultimately, the European Union blinked first. The visits to Arafat decreased significantly. Over a dozen European foreign ministers have visited Israel in 2004, while only fewer than a third also met with Arafat. Even among his European supporters, there is growing recognition that Arafat is an impediment, a "small scoundrel," as one ambassador put it. But despite this, Israel's victory is incomplete. Sharon succeeded to some extent to remove Arafat from the equation in our relations with Europe, but he has not succeeded in removing him entirely from the game. Even those Europeans that maintain that Arafat is responsible for his own isolation are convinced that he should be given some role that would preserve his dignity and defuse the lethal bomb that attempting to remove him could set off. The shuttling by the Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman between Ramallah and Jerusalem has the support of the Quartet and proves that the question of Arafat's relevance remains relevant. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-14 5:24:31 PM |
| #40 Sorry, LH. My post ovelapped your. You're right. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-07-14 5:23:33 PM |
| #39 ex-lib - Heavy Sigh. Y'know, I love smart women. The smarter the better, in fact. Looking at your post, now that it's carved into RB stone, would you say you're making this personal? I apologized to Korora as much as Korora deserved. It could've gone much differently with a tolerant response to my original post - as there was no offense intended or, IMO, given. Even so, I backed off and won't address Korora directly again. That should be enough. Note that K didn't admit to any poor judgement in posted comments. Now here you are, eyes a-fire, fuming and waving your arms where there is no need or call for it. So, it seems prudent to me to ask: Is this now personal, ex-lib? |
| Posted by: .com 2004-07-14 5:21:43 PM |
| #38 hey i got a brilliant idea - how about instead of debating porn, we all go back to mideast politics?:) I note that Arafats aide has questioned if Larsen really speaks for the UN, and Mr Coffee himself has spoken up and said, yes, he does. And yes, Larsen did help pitch the Jenin story and is NO friend of Israel, so this is ESPECIALLY important. Thinking about it, it seems like Arafat is going down anyway, and the EU and UN dont want to be left with the loser - better to turn from Arafat and play the next game. As for Arafats fate, let him go to Paris, or maybe he can to africa and hang with Aristide. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-14 5:18:13 PM |
| #37 It's okay Korora. .com happens to love that The rest of you guys better not make Korora feel bad. Some men see Others claim Personally, I get offended by some of it because a lot of what I've seen displays women as property objects, and opens the door of the mind to treat them as such--which is just plain wrong and kind of stupid. Just another version of jihadi mindset idiocy, if you think about it. |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-07-14 5:07:15 PM |
| #36 "Can you believe that Hillary happily kissed that puss?" I also heard that she kissed her face too! Gak! CiT |
| Posted by: CiT 2004-07-14 4:46:37 PM |
| #35 When Suha sings does that mean its over? |
| Posted by: remote man 2004-07-14 3:53:44 PM |
| #34 ok hey Korora - Belay my last. |
| Posted by: Yosemite Sam 2004-07-14 3:46:26 PM |
| #33 YS - Easy, bro - to each their own! No problemo. We're cool. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-07-14 3:44:42 PM |
| #32 Korora - lighten up! I sure hope you are joking. If not you must have a VERY dull life. Do you live in mom's basement? .com - I thought that was great! |
| Posted by: Yosemite Sam 2004-07-14 3:42:17 PM |
| #31 Ship - Yep. Young 'n tasty. Prolly a ButterBallBaby. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-07-14 3:38:11 PM |
| #30 LOL at last pic .com. But I think the purple penguin maybe female? ;) |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-07-14 3:35:21 PM |
| #29 Surely, Korora, you meant to link to this page. In other news, today's Houston Chronicle carried an op-ed by Marwan Bishara headlined "UN must now stand with Palestinians against wall". And then they'll be offered a last cigarette and a blindfold. (I don't think that's exactly what Bishara had in mind.) |
| Posted by: Angie Schultz 2004-07-14 3:34:56 PM |
| #28 She's got a face for radio, all right... Reminds me of the best insult I've ever heard from someone in a bar. He's trying to get a beer from the barkeep as the barkeep holds court with other patrons at the other end of the bar. "Miss!" "Miss?" "MISS PIGGEEEEEEE!!!!" Besides my mother, I've never seen a woman so pissed off in my life. |
| Posted by: Raj 2004-07-14 2:55:57 PM |
| #27 Korora, perhaps this is more your style. There was certainly no offense intended in my previous post, as should have been very f**king clear, but you're one stuffed shirt to have responded that way. No worries, though, I'll leave you alone from now on. HAND. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-07-14 2:53:55 PM |
| #26 mhw If I was in Sharon's position I wouldn't talk about any of it. Leave Arafat locked up in his compound and take the opportunity to take out the others. If anyone asks about it just say "no comment." |
| Posted by: Formerly Dan 2004-07-14 2:45:15 PM |
| #25 Can you believe that Hillary happily kissed that puss? |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-07-14 2:43:58 PM |
| #24 I'm totally chaste, and have chaste interests(i.e. birdwatching). |
| Posted by: Korora 2004-07-14 2:43:27 PM |
| #23 that's not porn, that's beautiful |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-07-14 2:42:17 PM |
| #22 I hate porn. |
| Posted by: Korora 2004-07-14 2:40:13 PM |
| #21 Emergency treatment for Korora. Get well soon, eh? |
| Posted by: .com 2004-07-14 2:33:05 PM |
| #20 MY EYES! MY EYES! THEY BURNED OUT RATHER THAN BEHOLD HER! |
| Posted by: Korora 2004-07-14 2:29:11 PM |
#19 Suha - or rather Suuuuhhheeeeeeeeeeee |
| Posted by: Yosemite Sam 2004-07-14 2:25:40 PM |
| #18 Formerly Dan Well one problem with Sharon is that at several points over the past year his office has made 'death to Yasser' comments which have caused a 'bounce' in Yasser's popularity. |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-07-14 2:23:59 PM |
| #17 If Sharon is a hard assed about it as I would be he is planning for the Paleo civil war. I would be watching over Gaza closely and as soon as it looked like one was winning I would decapitate that group's leadership to weaken it. Then, when the next group started to win the civil war I would hit them too. Eventually there will be a core of Paleostinians who are really fed up with killing and dying and they will rise up and destroy the weakened PLO and Hamas and sue for peace. |
| Posted by: Formerly Dan 2004-07-14 1:59:42 PM |
| #16 Let the Paleo civil war begin, post haste! |
| Posted by: Raj 2004-07-14 12:46:14 PM |
| #15 Mutually reinforcing things are happening. Which would have been unlikely, had we buckled to pressure from the international community and went back to the table DESPITE the continued terrorism by the PA. |
| Posted by: jules 187 2004-07-14 12:20:12 PM |
| #14 "Palestinian Authority May Collapse" You say that like it's a bad thing... |
| Posted by: mojo 2004-07-14 12:17:44 PM |
| #13 Just in from Debka: "UN envoy Terje-Larsen declared persona non grata by Palestinian Authority after he slammed Arafat’s refusal to halt terror and implement reforms and warned order was breaking down in Palestinian areas" |
| Posted by: Evert Visser in NL 2004-07-14 11:51:06 AM |
| #12 the lovely Suha Arafat. She appeared swiftly from the costume department in a Chanel suit and Hermes silk scarf. Rowf! Suha's a pig! Last pic I saw she had more chins than a chinese phone book |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-07-14 11:43:36 AM |
| #11 Oh please oh please oh please HAPPEN! |
| Posted by: Ptah 2004-07-14 11:35:11 AM |
| #10 Can't answer that AP, but it looks like Suha's gonna be a big movie star: Of course, no Palestinian movie would be complete without some glamour and this was adequately provided by the PA's very own leading lady - the lovely Suha Arafat. She appeared swiftly from the costume department in a Chanel suit and Hermes silk scarf. No smell of any sewer in Gaza for Suha, as she poignantly narrated a short, but tender, few words about her own hardships, on being apart from her husband and how she fervently wished she could share the plight of ordinary Palestinian women, living as they are with no hope, 10 hungry children and an unemployed husband all because of "the occupation forces". Alas, she has been forced to live in luxurious exile in Paris. Hope this don't turn into A Star is Born. You know, Yasshole turns into a drunk and takes a late night swim in the Med some night? Hope he leaves behind the Swiss account numbers. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-07-14 11:19:19 AM |
| #9 I wonder how long it will be before Larsen (no relation... I hope) is called back. |
| Posted by: eLarson 2004-07-14 11:13:34 AM |
| #8 mhw is right. also see this in context with tension between Egypt and Arafat (backed by Pal radicals) over Egyptian offer to train Pal security in Gaza. Recent local elections in Gaza won by Dahlan supporters. Growing discontent with Arafat within Fatah. Moves toward a coalition govt in Israel. Mutually reinforcing things are happening. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-14 11:10:50 AM |
| #7 Speaking of Suha, how is her money laundering case going in France? They made a big stink about it in the beginning, then it dropped off the radar screen. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-07-14 11:04:15 AM |
| #6 I'll bet Suha's at the bank in Paris right now changing the account numbers. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-07-14 9:29:26 AM |
| #5 Can we give it a kick and knock it over the edge? Good riddance. he blamed Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat Hey, my surprise meter finally registered! A UN dork says the obvious. |
| Posted by: Spot 2004-07-14 9:14:22 AM |
| #4 the key thing here is that the person saying anti Arafat things is Terje Roed-Larsen who is a long time friend of Arafat (he is also something of a moron - he swallowed the Jenin massacre lie and said he believed the massacre story because he could smell decaying bodies) |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-07-14 9:11:29 AM |
| #3 If the PA collapses, does that mean Arafat is no longer a Head of State, and a "legitimate target" again? |
| Posted by: Charles 2004-07-14 7:38:41 AM |
| #2 Arafat has tried and tried and tried. I'll sue anyone who flambaies' Arafat and give $10-,000 to anyone who can prove me wrong! I'm from California man, I've got lawyers stacked deck high dude! |
| Posted by: Lucky 2004-07-14 1:41:07 AM |
| #1 The U.N. Mideast envoy on Tuesday said the Palestinian Authority has made no progress toward combating terror attacks against Israel and is "in real danger of collapse." Ummm, are we supposed to care about this? |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-07-14 1:26:40 AM |
