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Primer: When Moslems Should Lie
2004-06-18
EFL - Like Christianity and Judaism, in Islam there are times when one can lie and times when one must lie. The difference is that in Islam, the theology of lying is expansive and the requirement to lie is fairly broad/
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Islamic concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries

According to Al-Taqiyah, Muslims were granted the Shar’iyee right (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemy’s cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition. These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying against or denouncing the tenants of Islam.

They were "legitimate" mujahedeen, whose mission was to undermine the enemy’s resistance and level of mobilization. One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy’s camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.")...
These are examples of a practice known as taqiyya, which essentially means to lie for the sake of Islam. The intention is to deceive unbelievers about Islam, for the explicit purpose of assuaging doubts and concerns about Islam, and encouraging conversion. Taqiyya underlies the whole gamut of Muslim propaganda which is disseminated in the West, from the claim that Islam promotes equal rights for women, to the attempts at inflating the perceived number of Muslims...

Taqiyya goes beyond mere lying for propaganda purposes. The word comes from a root meaning "to guard against, to keep (oneself)". It thus also includes dissimulation by the Muslim to give the appearance of not being religious, so as not to arouse suspicion. In this vein, a Muslim, if necessary, may eat pork, drink alcohol, and even verbally deny the Islamic faith, as long as he does not "mean it in his heart". If the end result of the lie is perceived by the Muslim to be good for Islam or useful to bringing someone to "submission" to Allah, then the lie can be sanctioned through taqiyya. As al-Tabbarah writes,

"Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: ’He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."28
The taqiyya concept is also found in the Qur’an,

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." (Surah 3:28)
Posted by:mhw

#9  Ex-lib,

Good one, although I much prefer the alien movie, (drug addict alien came to earth for brain drug who states,"I come in peace",). Hero retort, "Then you leave in pieces". Kind of appropo, don't you think?
Posted by: jawa   2004-06-18 7:05:56 PM  

#8  lol B and JerseyMike!

jules187: "Don't they imagine their "God" watches them and sees their crimes?" Yeah. Their god watches all right. And promotes/expects/requires/condones all of it! " . . . for the final goal is to Allah."

Everybody's gotta watch Tim Burton's film "Mars Attacks." Martians: "We come in peace!"
Posted by: ex-lib   2004-06-18 5:49:00 PM  

#7  Antisemite--

You obviously feel taqiyah also applies to Islamofascist fellaters like yourself. And the websites you love so much.
Posted by: BMN   2004-06-18 4:27:36 PM  

#6  When lying is OK

Christianity:
Honey, do I look fat in this?

Judasim:
Mother to son: How can you treat me this way? Don't you know that my labor was ____ [ok to lie] hours long and I [ok to lie] almost died delivering you?

Islam:
We are a peaceful religion.
Posted by: B   2004-06-18 1:14:02 PM  

#5  Martin Luther, where are you now? We need a second edition of the Quran...
Posted by: jules 187   2004-06-18 11:35:13 AM  

#4  muslims have been skillfully practicing taqiyah in this country and elsewhere for quite some time now..."religion of peace"...
Posted by: jawa   2004-06-18 11:26:25 AM  

#3  I should have mentioned that although al-Tabbarah (who is quoted above) is a contemporary Islamic scholar. The concept of lying is illustrated extensively in the Hadiths and also explained in detail by Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali, a widely respected (in both Sunni and Shia Islam) authority who lived during the golden age of Islamic thought in the 11 century in present day Iran)
Posted by: mhw   2004-06-18 10:06:52 AM  

#2  "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: ’He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."

Wow. Lying is sanctioned in the holy book of world's most dangerous religion. Guess we knew this all along. Don't they imagine their "God" watches them and sees their crimes?
Posted by: jules 187   2004-06-18 10:06:13 AM  

#1  How can you tell an Islamist is lying?

His lips are moving.

Ba da bum, thank you,thank you very much , I'll be here all week.
Posted by: JerseyMike   2004-06-18 9:26:47 AM  

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