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| Don’t Condemn the Berg beheading so fast says American Iman | |
| 2004-05-24 | |
| EFL - there is a lot of the usual thumb sucking and tangential whining, etc. in this article but basically, the author, the VP of some Islamic Chaplain group is criticizing CAIR for CAIR’s anti-beheading pronouncement. The author feels CAIR is falling into a clever jew-infidel rhetorical trap. This is an open response to the recent petition by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)... CAIR’s claims of prominence and representation of Muslims warrants a response ... This response is not being stated with malice... The mission is to maintain an air of brotherhood and .. CAIR’s message has gone beyond being politically correct. It has manifested in what we were warned about in the Qur’an of not being accepted by non-Muslims until we have abandoned our religion and become like them.
[of course claims of Israeli massacre of Arabs that have been completely debunked, e.g., Jenin, are never ’alleged’ - they are instead part of the belief system] ... The petition appears to be a double-blinded message which, on the one hand, attempts to appease the non-Muslim movers and shakers in the US who constantly call for Muslims to apologize for acts committed against American people and interests, even before a proper investigation... On the other hand, it promotes a message of pacifism to Muslims in the US and around the world, disregarding Islam’s instructions to fight oppression and invasion and... of course verses such as this, and there are many, can be and are used to justify mutilation of corpses, beheadings, lying, etc This is suggested when the term reject violence is used. | |
| Posted by:mhw |
| #19 "Menage a trois"is french for "Dream on,Pal". |
| Posted by: WhiteHouseDetox 2004-05-24 10:24:58 PM |
| #18 MHW, I meant that more in a sarcastic sense, not in a literal one. They claim to be the ones who speak for the Islamic population, and whether they have any credibility there or not, I find it funny that someone would label them "corrupted." One of their spokesmen has gone on record as saying he'd like to see the government of the US be Islamic some day, I believe, yet this wacko is claiming they've diluted the "resist invasion and oppression" message. |
| Posted by: The Doctor 2004-05-24 4:25:25 PM |
| #17 The Doctor, CAIR isn't 'corrupted' by infidels. CAIRs 'problem' is that they have already lost so much credibility that they can't appeal to the lowbrow Islamic community anymore. This lowbrow community believes that Americans or Israelis staged the Burg beheading (they also believe in the ritual murder libel, they believe the holocaust was a tempest in a teapot, they believe that Israelis flew the planes into the WTZ, they believe in the Elders of Zion libel, they believe that Israel kills dozens of baby ducks each day, etc.). CAIR can't get away with saying stuff like that perhaps because their sponsors won't keep shuffling the $ at them. |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-05-24 4:21:26 PM |
| #16 Someone needs to explain to me when CAIR became corrupted by non-Muslims. Shame runs throughout this article. It's more victimhood. Zenster, you called it right with this guy being a waste of oxygen. How is it possible to not connect Berg's murderers (fact is, with all the questions surrounding the tape, he was killed, and that's enough) with Muslims when they're yelling "Allah is Great!" in Arabic, and proclaiming their fight against the infidels? Only in a liberal unreality could that happen. |
| Posted by: The Doctor 2004-05-24 3:58:53 PM |
| #15 Do the French have a specific name for a foursome with a male writer, male cartoonist, male politician and female actress? Or is it just a generic menage? |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-05-24 2:12:01 PM |
| #14 Yes - Terrorist Writer, Amoral Cartoonist, Oily Politician. All wrapped up in one body. Only Jane Pauley knows the truth. . . . |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-05-24 1:49:25 PM |
| #13 Yes - Terrorist, Amoral Cartoonist, Oily Politician. All wrapped up in one body. Only Jane Pauley knows the truth. . . . |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-05-24 1:48:36 PM |
| #12 Ed: Good heavens! I believe you're right--I mean, I can't prove it, but it would explain so much--Samir Jarez and Garry Trudeau and Jim McDermott, all one person, leading a triple life with three secret identities! You work for Marvel Comics or something? |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-05-24 1:41:55 PM |
| #11 Mike : Ever notice how you never see Samir Jerez and Garry Trudeau in the same place at the same time? The answer is yes, but can the same be said of Samir Jarez and "Congressman" McDermott? . . . |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-05-24 11:48:21 AM |
| #10 Zenster is trying to slip his leftist racist agenda in here. |
| Posted by: Phil B 2004-05-24 10:51:58 AM |
| #9 Just curious, do articles like the one posted here are read by the FBI? I am really hoping that they do! Aside from an initial "What is this waste of oxygen doing within our borders?" the above came to mind as well. It is also possible that Jerez's statements come under the heading of free speech. What so many people seem to forget these days is that just because you have the right to do something, that does not make it the right thing to do. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-05-24 10:46:04 AM |
| #8 anonymous4617 I have some friends in the FBI. They tell me they are in a 'too much information' situation. The general problem is that there are a proliferation of people advocating violence, hatred, etc. from an Islamic perspective (of couse if hate speech was actually prosecuted as a crime the Koran would be banned), call this group 1. What they try to monitor is the people actually planning overt acts of violence - call this group 2. Of course, you never know when a group one person will migrate to group 2. |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-05-24 10:09:15 AM |
| #7 Ever notice how you never see Samir Jerez and Garry Trudeau in the same place at the same time? |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-05-24 10:05:59 AM |
| #6 Just curious, do articles like the one posted here are read by the FBI? I am really hoping that they do! |
| Posted by: Anonymous4617 2004-05-24 9:52:02 AM |
| #5 "Sooner or later, there's going to have to be a showdown between America and its Muslim citizens: when some band of Islamic nutbags is making war against the United States, you're either going to be American first, and Muslim a distant second, or you're damn well gonna be out of here" I have been saying that for about 2 years now. America's biggest threat is the muslim-american fifth column already in place. No matter where they are born or raised, they are just muslims and nothing else. I am a Venezuelan living in the kingdom of Venom. When I first arrived here, I joined a yahoo group for venezuelans living in the kingdom. I was surprised to see that the group was fairly large. Venezuela, as you all know, is going through tough times and I thought by joining this group, I could exchage news and talk about the situation. Well, out of probably 150 members all but 3 are not muslim. These 3 are the only ones who talk about what is going on in the country. The rest of the "venezuelan" members are just busy passing around the latest news of the "atrocities" committed by the States on their "poor", "defenseless" brothers. I thought maybe it was because they were on the land of the "prophet" and fell under the spell of his insanity more strongly than usual. So, I decided to join an IslamVenezuela group. This group is based in Venezuela and guess what? No a single word of what is going on in Venezuela (where they were born, raised and are presently residing) but comments upon comments on the oppressed Palestinians and Iraqis. --------------------------------------------- "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly. But a traitor moves among those within the gate freely, and his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys are heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to their victims and wears their face and their garments, and appeals to the baseness which lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of the nation; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared." |
| Posted by: Anonymous4617 2004-05-24 9:19:33 AM |
| #4 Not to worry, guys. I'm sure Gentle has already sent this bozo a blistering email explaining that his position is a perversion of Islam. |
| Posted by: Matt 2004-05-24 9:19:08 AM |
| #3 Dave, I look at the 'showdown' differently. The first showdown is within each of the assimilation desiring, relatively pacifist Moslems. Can they make the psychological step of finally and formally breaking with their more irrational, seething, co-religionist or will they continue to let the seething variety hide within their midst (or, deny the existance of such or deny the sustantial influence of such). I know a number of Moslems who are fighting this internal battle as we speak. It can't be easy for them. So far, in fact, the pacifist branch of Islam has been losing big time (perhaps because their version of Islam is actually less authentic). |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-05-24 8:48:09 AM |
| #2 I should have given credit for finding this gem to Little Green Footballs, who, like Fred Pruit, I consider an American hero. |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-05-24 8:22:52 AM |
| #1 Sooner or later, there's going to have to be a showdown between America and its Muslim citizens: when some band of Islamic nutbags is making war against the United States, you're either going to be American first, and Muslim a distant second, or you're damn well gonna be out of here. Or dead. We keep putting off this reckoning, but it's going to have to come sooner or later. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-05-24 8:22:46 AM |