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| 2004-05-23 |
| American military officials said Saturday that they had recovered a number of guns and other military-related items from the site of an attack carried out in western Iraq earlier this week that left at least 40 people dead. The officials said the items demonstrated that they had probably struck a gathering of insurgents, not civilians at a wedding party, as some local Iraqis and news organizations had said. In a briefing for reporters, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the items found included rifles and batteries rigged in a way that suggested they were intended to be used to detonate bombs. A building on the site of the attack, he said, appeared to have been used as a dormitory, with 300 sets of bedding and as many as 100 sets of prepackaged Iraqi clothing. In addition, General Kimmitt said, American soldiers found machines used to manufacture identification cards and Iraqi exit visas. Soldiers also recovered what the general described as "terrorist training manuals." Local people had said that the American strike, carried out by land and air Wednesday morning, had struck a wedding party and killed 43 civilians. Videotape showing what was said to be the bodies of people killed at the site showed women and children being buried. Witnesses said the dead included 14 children and 12 women. Despite the evidence, General Kimmitt acknowledged there will still "inconsistencies" between military reports and those coming from people in the area. "That is why we are continuing to explore all possibilities for what happened on the ground," he said. General Kimmitt said the evidence suggested that the place had been used as a transit point for fighters who were crossing the nearby Syrian border. "We suspect that when foreign fighters come in from other countries, they come to this location and they change their clothes into typical Iraqi clothing," he said. Reporters visiting the village, Makr Al-Deeb, found evidence of both insurgent activity and of a celebration. A well-known Iraqi singer who often entertains in the region, Nazar al-Khalid, was killed at the scene. Yet a leader in the village was identified by local residents as a "mujahid," a term used to describe anti-American fighters. General Kimmitt said six women had been killed in the attack, but no children. He said the American soldiers had found nothing to suggest that a wedding had been in progress: there were no decorations, no leftover portions of food, no wedding tent or musical instruments, he said. None of the bodies found by the American soldiers carried any identification cards, General Kimmitt said, and all of the men killed at the scene appeared to be of military age. General Kimmitt said they had recovered several international telephone numbers, to places like Afghanistan and Sudan. The fact that none of the bodies found at the scene were of elderly people, General Kimmitt said, was another indication that whatever gathering took place probably involved military personnel. Also Saturday, American military officials said talks between them and leaders in the Sadr City section of Baghdad had broken down. The Americans have been pressing local leaders inside the predominantly Shiite area to persuade insurgents operating there to call off their attacks on American patrols. Earlier this week, the Americans agreed to reduce their presence inside Sadr City if the insurgents would halt their attacks. Military officials said Saturday the insurgents had not complied, and that the talks had ceased. That seemed to set the stage for possible violence later this week. |
| Posted by:Dan Darling |
| #104 Atomic Conspiracy, yes I believe men landed on the moon Neil Armstrong for one. Don't remember the other men's names. Lucky shut up. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 2:11:48 PM |
| #103 Jen I was baptised Catholic (parents choice) but I have not been to church since 1988 and do not believe most Roman Catholic doctrine like the trinity and the immortality of the soul(as a seperate entity that lives after death)to name two. I believe that Jesus is God's son and his death was a Ransom to save humanity from death. A Christian is a follower of Christ. The trinity is a doctrine which is unscriptural. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 2:01:37 PM |
| #102 Not all Christians believe in the trinity. After all it doesnt make sense if Jesus is God who did He pray to - himself? Jesus is God's son he is not God (but a seperate entity)Jesus's perfect human life was given as a ransom to obtain mankind's release from sin and death. This is because Adam rebelled against God and therefore as a sinner he could not receive eternal life and this was passed to his descendants(everyone) Jesus gave his life to pay back what Adam lost Jesus was resurrected to heaven as a spirit person and the ransom was paid to God and we all have eternal life to look forward to. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 1:48:57 PM |
| #101 Right so Iraqis having a wedding are insurgents??? Does that include the little six year old boy who was decapitated?? Cant Iraqis celebrate a wedding without being slaughtered. That weddding dress was a good disguise(sarcasm) |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 11:39:28 AM |
| #100 Phil lots of Palestinians are Christians and before Jesus was born lots followed Judaism. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 11:26:35 AM |
| #99 Gentle have never held a firearm as against my personal belief to kill anyone if was killed I know God would restore me and my family to his Paradise earth where we would enjoy Eternal life and happiness ruled by God's government. Vengeance is Mine said the Lord. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 11:22:00 AM |
| #98 Frank who the fuck is Allan? Yes all sinners will be annihilated. Jen YOU are the Retard (who can't spell e.g M.e.n.t.a.l. spells mental you know.) |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 11:16:31 AM |
| #97 Yes God is merciful that is why he disapproves of the Godless wars started by GWB who has no right to call himself a follower of Christ. He is an Agent of Satan and God will return the earth to its original Paradise as it was in Eden before the Fall of Adam and Eve and all warmongers and sinners will be annihilated as will Satan. Gods government will rule the earth no one will die or grow old. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 11:05:35 AM |
| #96 Jen let me simplify this for you as you seem to have misplaced your brain(maybe as its so tiny it fell out) Right God;(God is English for God)Dieu is French for God and Allah is Arabic for God. Now a French person calls Him Dieu and An Arabic speaking person calls him Allah and an English speaking person calls Him God. But He is the same God,He doesn't change because the word for him changes. Jehovah is God's name,God is what he is;like Jen is your name and a fool is what you are |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 10:46:47 AM |
| #95 Jen we are not the same person have told you before. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 10:37:17 AM |
| #94 Jen first thing Jehovah is God's name. Allah is the Arabic word for God. God's name = Jehovah. Allah=Arabic for God.Got that? Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11 stop listening to the crap that comes from GWB etc. P.S I only wear hair bands ribbons scrunchies and assorted types of clips in my hair. Never wore a hijab. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 10:31:56 AM |
| #93 Saifee you are right. The rest of you what the bloody hell are you on about???? Allah is God. (Arabic for)Saddam had nothing to do with Sept 11. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-05-23 10:08:05 AM |
| #92 Hell folks, I don't want to get into a religious argument because I think that whole "my God is better then yours is beneath us." All I know is 19 assholes hi-jacked 4 birds and put about 3,000 innocent people in the grave. Most of these assholes happened to be Saudi and all were Muslim. Maybe they didn't represent the majority of Muslims but I didn't see too many prominent Saudi's or any other Imams, Mullahs, etc apologizing for them. In 1983, 241 of my brethren were murdered in a bombing at a certain barracks in Beirut, again by Muslims, & I still don't remember any prominent Mohammaden clergy apologizing for that one either. In the Corps silence is consent and tacit approval = approval. I don't really care what the Qu'ran, Bible, Torah, or Levay's Satanic Bible has to say on anything, all I know is 3,000 people of all races, colors, creeds, and religions died for no good reason that day but one religion was well represented in making their demise happen. The 19 jag-off soddies on 9/11 were funded by an evil bastard named Osama (i.e. another radical islamist) who was harbored in Afghanistan by some other friendly Muslim extremists by the name of the Taliban. Cause = Effect Anti-war. GWB sent his lads to handle business, therefore, no more Taliban running the show in Afghanland. BTW - GWB never said there was an explicit connection between Saddam & 9/11 - if some Americans are silly enough to believe that so be it, but don't blame GW anti-war. Another point - I also know the blood of about 300 Americans went into establishing the removal of Soddom out of Kuwait in 1991 thus establishing UN resolutions on WMDs and other weapons. Soddom (w/his two bastard sons who had a penchant for raping live muslim virgins) in over 12 years violated these resolutions 17 times. Now, I know we went to war under the pre-text of WMDs, no matter what *I* personnally think about that, Hussein needed to be removed for 17 violations of *UN* resolutions. Though I know the UN would never remove him no matter how much we begged due to the oil for food scam. We did remove him and the world is better off w/out that megalomaniacal piece of shit running amok. Gentle, you seem (on the surface) to respect all religions - I hope you maintain that path. I have met good and bad people of all faiths. I personally do not care if someone's a muslim, jew, christian, zen-buddhist, pagan, or animist tree-hugger, I've led Marines of every conceivable background & have had very minor problems whatsoever due to a man's faith - simply, if you treat others w/respect you will get it in return. Hence, our country's constitution based on the wisdom of our founding fathers is peerless in most regards especially when it comes to freedom of religion. Gentle, ask yourself seriously, how do Arab governments stack up to the U.S. in religious tolerance and you have your answer. Why (if there are any) do the voices of moderate muslims get drowned out by the extremists? Why do we keep hearing about the Paleo/Israelis conflict? And yet for all their oil money, no other Arab government has attempted to financially strenghten the palestinians other then provide them w/second rate weapons and first rate hatred? Why do arabs piss and moan about abu ghraib and yet there is little condemnation of 4 contractors who were taking food into fallujah murdered and torched? How abut Daniel Pearl? Where's the outrage for a peaceful journalist and a father of an infant being beheaded by extremists? How about hapless Nick Berg? GWB apologizes to the king of jordan whose not even an iraqi for abu ghraib and yet I have not heard one strong condemnation of these atrocities toward my fellow Americans from any prominent muslim? Thus I am left w/a couple theories - 1) your clergy tacitly approve of such actions. 2) your clergy actually believes it to be sanctioned by the koran, or 3) your clergy are too f*cking cowardly to say anything for fear of repurcussions. Sorry about the long post Fred, I'm making a bandwidth donation this week. Paypal or credit card okay? |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-05-23 9:48:40 PM |
| #91 What? 90% of the people at this gathering were men? It still could have been a wedding. Haven't you heard of gay marriage?:-) |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2004-05-23 9:36:56 PM |
| #90 Another one of a number of excellent threads today! I've been out all day, so reading it all at one time is quite entertaining! |
| Posted by: The Doctor 2004-05-23 9:26:24 PM |
| #89 yet again there is no god named allah lucky has explained it |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-05-23 9:15:49 PM |
| #88 To those out there that think Islam is a religion of peace please explain why the non-Islamic world is refered to in Islamic texts as Dar al-Harb, the House of War. Islam means submission, not Peace. Don't believe the spin, believe what Islamists say themselves. |
| Posted by: ruprecht 2004-05-23 5:58:03 PM |
| #87 Muhammed, Mohammed...whatever! I think the important thing to note here, is that the second syllable is "ham". That is the crux of the whole matter. These people are secretly craving a big old Ham & Swiss on Light Rye sandwich! With just a touch of Mayo and a Kosher Dill Pickle. That would take the Jihad out of them. -AR |
| Posted by: Analog Roam 2004-05-23 5:04:10 PM |
| #86 I used to be a Unitarian, reminds me of a joke: What does the Klan do when a Unitarian moves to town? They burn a question mark on his lawn. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-05-23 4:47:03 PM |
| #85 Antiwar, it's probably not a good tactic to try to quote Scripture when you don't know the Christian traditions very well ..... Just a suggestion. And yes, I do know the Universalist / Unitarian traditions. And no, they are not within the Christian canon. Some members are very nice people, some are idiots, but neither type changes the fact that there are some basics that define Christianity and the Trinity is one of them. Sorry bout that .... |
| Posted by: MDiv 2004-05-23 4:40:56 PM |
| #84 Holy smokes Zpaz, how could I have missed that! Hilarious and one for the classics. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-05-23 3:46:09 PM |
| #83 The Apostles' Creed, I do love it.--thank you, ex-lib! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 3:29:01 PM |
| #82 Dear sweet Gentle, a Muse be thy name. |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 3:27:53 PM |
| #81 Zpaz---Ah, the Muses blessed you today! (Whirled Peas be upon them). Thoroughly enjoyed your Saud parody of the Beverly Hillbilles Theme. Made my day. I can see that the Quoran inspired you. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-05-23 3:19:17 PM |
| #80 Leaving aside the trollery for a moment, Belmont Club is continuing its excellent analysis of this story. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2004-05-23 3:05:34 PM |
| #79 Infidel Bob, Locutus, Zpaz, Jen, Phil B.,Crazy Fool, Atomic Conspiracy, Shep UK and the rest: Terrific! Lots of fun! You know when CNN leaves off the pro-left slant, there's no chance whatsoever it was a wedding! The Islamics are losing ground. On the spirtual topic: cingold is correct. Antiwar holds to (condemned) gnostic beliefs. I must say, I 'm amazed by this discussion. Antiwar--the very one who curses me and others, wishing death upon us, the one who defends Islamic jihad and all it's practices, the one who masquerades as an Australian liberal, and the one who is a liar, is now going to "teach" us about Christianity and says what is and is not unscriptural. Wow. And yawn. (Anyone else notice how syntax and sentence structure and personal expressions continue to change with these two operatives--Antiwar and Gentle? It certainly gives one pause regarding just how many Islamics are teaming up to post as "Antiwar" and "Gentle" . . . And I think the little "pat on the back" discussions they have between themselves are so cute.) Just to clear up Antiwar and Gentle's forays into, what for them, are unknown realms of truth . . . I have included the following, below. Antiwar and Gentle: This isn't a "piece-meal" kind of thing. It's an all or nothing kind of thing. (I wonder if their "respect" would allow the following confession of faith--the basis of true belief which delineates the truth in matters of Christian doctrine. Could they confess this? Uh, no. Not possible. They'd be put out of their mosques and lose all their friends.) THE CREED I believe in One God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-Begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light; True God of True God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets. And in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-05-23 3:04:56 PM |
| #78 "I've just posted an article that should answer all the questions you've asked." Oh, no! She's such a moron that she thinks when you ask her questions, you really want answers! Now we'll get some more Saudi-funded happy horseshit about how they're the Religion of Peace again! NO!!! Make it stop! We'll have to kill you now! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 2:56:07 PM |
| #77 Qurâan 21:44 âDo they see Us advancing, gradually reducing the land (in their control), curtailing its borders on all sides? It is they who will be overcome.â Well, the first thing ya know, Saud's a millionaire, Kin-folk said, "Saud, move away from there." Said Tel Aviv is the place y'oughta be, so they loaded up the tanks, and invaded Galilee. Hills that is! Synagogues, Movie stars! I'd rather smooch Gentle, whaddya say, are you a goer? |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 2:55:28 PM |
| #76 Hey, Zpaz, quote the one about "There's a Jew behind me. Come and kill him!" I love that one and so will AntiMatter who says she doesn't hate all Jews, only Zionists! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 2:52:49 PM |
| #75 zpez: I've just posted an article that should answer all the questions you've asked. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 2:50:51 PM |
| #74 zpez: I've just posted an article that should answer all the questions you've asked. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 2:50:23 PM |
| #73 Qurâan 47:4 âWhen you clash with unbelieving Infidels in battle, strike and overpower them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, make them prisoners in bondage until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded. He lets you fight in order to test you. Those who are slain in Allahâs Cause will never have their deeds go to waste.â Come 'n listen to my story 'bout a man named Saud. A poor Deserteer barely kept his family fed An' then one day, he was shootin' at some food, An' up thru the ground came a bubblin' crude. Oil that is! Black gold! Mecca tea! |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 2:47:01 PM |
| #72 Shut up about what? I wuz jus talk'n bout Shaft. Can you dig it! Gentle, your so polite, how do you cruise so easily with the brutish Antiwar? |
| Posted by: Lucky 2004-05-23 2:25:55 PM |
| #71 Gentle, you may be one of the Muslims who respect the people of the Book, and revere the teachings of Christ -- knowing he was blessed of God. Nonetheless, you have to know that a large number of your fellow Muslims are murderous, and do what they like IN THE NAME OF YOUR RELIGION, AND USING YOUR HOLY BOOK FOR JUSTIFICATION OF THEIR EVIL ACTS AND TERROR. That is what people here are so upset about -- your culture will find no better friend, no worse enemy than the Christian West. Antiwar, you are simply a hateful Gnostic -- a form of heresy repeatedly denounced by the Christian Church from the first century to the present. And, by the way, have you renounced your cursing and wishing ill on others who oppose your ideology? Ill-wishing seems so inconsistent with the other drivel you spout, but since you're just a Gnostic . . . |
| Posted by: cingold 2004-05-23 2:23:55 PM |
| #70 Yes. I do. I have heard and read that that may not be true, but I think i do believe that it is. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 2:15:23 PM |
| #69 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 2:11:48 PM |
| #68 Me thinks jihaddies are building a new site for foreign fighters to inviltrate Iraq. Prolly using party decorations, they'll need more children on site as well as the whores. Instruments too. And a cake, prolly want to bake a new one every day and let the foreign fighters share the day old one. The kids could spend the day chanting the koran, but they need to stay close to the foreign fighters incase an airstrike comes. The women should be dressed in traditional bedouin wedding robes, richly decorated, but still keep the laundry and toilet ship shape. Gentle, could you tell me about apostacy laws regarding islam. From what I've read, correct me if I'm wrong, that there is a little problem, with some muslims, about denoucing the holyness or fakeness of it once you've been infected by it. |
| Posted by: Lucky 2004-05-23 2:06:23 PM |
| #67 A very simple question for Anti-war and Gentle: Do you believe that men landed on the Moon? |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-05-23 2:05:04 PM |
| #66 Gentle sez: "You people still live in the middle ages, or shall I say DARK ages." then she pulls out this, a slap at scientific evolution straight out of the Dark Ages itself: "Also don't forget that many of you believe that you used to be monkeys." In your dark age ignorance, Gentle, you have no idea how foolish it is to invoke clairvoyant authority by trying to tell us what we believe, but answer this anyway: How old is the Earth, in your modern, enlightened view? |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-05-23 2:01:49 PM |
| #65 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 2:01:37 PM |
| #64 No Rafael. But we re happy, thank you very much. We are a wealthy, peaceful, wonderful country. You should come visit, really. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 1:59:16 PM |
| #63 AntiBuse, you have your own little theology which I'm sure you're bishop and your priest don't appreciate (if you're really a Catholic as you say you are). Don't confuse poor, addled "Gentle" when she can't seem to "get" how inherently violent and murderous her own religion of pieces is, even when her own "holy book" is quoted to her. (And by the way, the word "holy" used to apply to Islamic things is completely senseless.) |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 1:53:38 PM |
| #62 Antiwar: I know. & I'm sorry, I never wanted the talk to turn to religion. I respect christianity. I respect all religions, but christianity; I believe in. they just keep dragging the subject up. Sorry! |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 1:53:27 PM |
| #61 Antiwar: If you don't believe in the Trinity, then you're not a Christian, you're a heretic. Gentle: Are you allowed to vote in your country? |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-05-23 1:52:07 PM |
| #60 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 1:48:57 PM |
| #59 Antiwar, Gentle: WE ARE THE BORG. LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS. WE WILL ADD YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR CULTURE WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. WE ARE THE BORG. |
| Posted by: Locutus of Borg 2004-05-23 1:47:54 PM |
| #58 Gentle, your people have been the enemies of my blood since your murderous prophet first emerged from the wilderness determined to take by fire and sword what his people could not produce themselves. The Middle East was the heart of Christianity before the murderous muslims overran it. If it was God's will for you bastards to conquer then, why should it be any less his will that you have been reduced to blowing yourselves up to kill Jews and Christians, to your brave warriors slitting the throats of helpless prisoners and shooting women and children, even babies in car seats. The hallmark of American society is that we are willing to live and let live, but if we are roused to battle you will die. You talk about Crusaders and conveniently forget that the purpose of the Crusades was to recover Christian lands that had been overrun by your people. There is an ebb and flow to history. Your people have been in decline since they were stopped at the gates of Vienna in 1653. Keep whining and you won't like what will happen. To paraphrase the Marines, you can have no better friend than America and no worse enemy. Choose quick lest the choice be made for you. |
| Posted by: Random thoughts 2004-05-23 1:47:42 PM |
| #57 Have you ever read the stories of the prophets? Stories mentioned in the Quran? About Ibrahim? and his 2 sons? About Jacob? About Jesus? About Josef? About Moses? About all the other prophets (Peace be upon them)? Have you realized what they teach? In the way that I (YES I) speak and write, what do you see? Do you see a violent person? Or someone who is trying to understand why YOU use such inproper words? Do you see someone who makes threats? Or some one who tries to reason? Do you see someone who would stand aside while a humanbeing is raped and look the other way, Or someone who would condemn the rapist, even if he was a muslim raping an Israeli murdress? THAT should tell you about Islam, not what you hear and see and read, not what you were MEANT to read. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 1:46:43 PM |
| #56 Yeah, we believe that God raised Jesus to Heaven, too. What you don't believe is that Jesus was both God's only begotten Son and that he is God also. And then there's the Holy Spirit, too, who is also God. Belief in the Holy Trinity is integral to Christian Faith. But wait! That would be polytheism to you, right? God "let" his son be murdered because that is why he came to earth, to offer himself--the one who is without sin--to die for the sins of the whole world and conquer Death for all. Jesus was the sacrificial Lamb of God who offered himself as an offering for all time and all peoples. These are all "mysteries" of the Faith that must be revealed to your heart and soul, something you literal, violent Muslims don't seem to know a lot about. We'll pray that you Muslims are converted to Christianity and away from that death cult of the moon good! Check out the movie "The Passion" if they allow it in Bahrain and try to get your hands on a Bible and read it. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 1:36:12 PM |
| #55 zpaz is choosing endings of verses. He does not write that the verse first states that Muslims should NOT fight non-Muslims unless they were the ones who start it. It then goes on to say the rest. Also it clearly states that man should NOT kill those who are not fighting. Also, zpaz, if you dare to say that you will "make sweet love to me", I don't know why I bother trying to have a civilized conversation with you. Talk about women rights. You people still live in the middle ages, or shall I say DARK ages. Also don't forget that many of you believe that you used to be monkeys. Suit yourself! One last thing: There are things about religions that just should not be approached. Or would you rather I asked you HOW you believe that a merciful God could let his son be murdered! At least we believe that God raised Jesus to heaven. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 1:24:47 PM |
| #54 hmmm zpaz does speak well don't he.:) A gentle your Quran is showing cracks,if most Americans ever read it your ppl would be in deep shit |
| Posted by: djohn66 2004-05-23 1:10:28 PM |
| #53 Antiwar, Gentle, and other authoritarian terror-apologists here. I see that you have a habit of characterizing opponents as Bush supporters, and equating all our efforts against Islamofascism with the Republican Party. Do you really suppose that the election of John Kerry will achieve your goals? Does he seem like someone who is sympathetic to Sharia law? Do you really imagine that he will meet the demands of the terrorists and the peace movement, such as withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan, the unconditional release of Saddam Hussein, the destruction of Israel? Will he raise the minumum wage to 12.50/hr? Turn all government over to local matriarchal committees with ex-convicts and adventure-sport enthusiasts as enforcers? Jail the owners of Free Republic and Rantburg for hate speech? Turn Bush and Rumsfeld over to the International Kangaroo Court? Is this war purely a partisan issue? You are deluding yourselves if you think it is. We are headed for civil war in this country. It is not Democrat vs. Republican, or liberal vs. conservative, but pop-left media slave vs. Constitutionalist. The 60s inspired left is a creation of the corrupt institutional media. The Islamofascists and their simple-minded apologists are ideal media consumer units. The pop-left is a disease and it is about to be cured, one way or another. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-05-23 12:59:57 PM |
| #52 Phil lots of Palestinians are Christians and before Jesus was born lots followed Judaism. That's rite! We must remember that this war is mainly about the pali peoples and their quest for nationhood. Pali people have been oppressed and shoeless now since emm... uh.. 1948 since zionist entity took over their shoe factories and destroy they olive oil factory. Now pali people have to live on happy hand outs from UN and UAE. It's not right that a historically senstive people like the palis are left out of cutting the pie. Give the pali people a state! They deserve it! Most pali people are senstive and caring and very good with nitrates they should have a place in hall of nations! Palestine was a country for over 3000 years with its capital in jaffa yet no western atlas show it! Shame! Palestine was crucial in your own US civil war by givnig good thoughts and 12 hookas to the army of the potomac! Battle whine of the republic was written by a pali man! Yes! It's true! Roll over beetoven written by a proud pali man! Elvis was a known muslim! I must be gooing! |
| Posted by: HalfEmpty 2004-05-23 12:30:27 PM |
| #51 Qurâan 8:60 âAnd make ready against the infidels all of the power you can, including steeds of war to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy. And whatever you spend in Allahâs Cause shall be repaid unto you.â If I were the King of the world, Tell you what I'd do, I'd throw away the cars and the bars and the wars And make sweet love to you. Yea, Gentle, I'd make sweet love to you. |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 12:25:27 PM |
| #50 Qurâan 8:39 âSo, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.â Maybe the flowers will stay, and we'll keep the showers away; And if I kiss you in the garden in the moonlight, will you pardon me and tip toe through the tulips with me? |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 12:09:11 PM |
| #49 Qurâan 8:7 âAllah wished to confirm the truth by His words: âWipe the infidels out to the last.ââ All together now: All we are saying, Is give peace a chance. |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 11:55:31 AM |
| #48 Qurâan 7:3 âLittle do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.â Joy to the world; All the boys and girls; Joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea; Joy to you and me. |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 11:46:06 AM |
| #47 Gentle, How about we ask Mr. Berg? I bet he knows the answer! Oh... I forgot... your merciful loving friends sawed off his head with a knife while his hands (and probably legs) were tied - he was defensless and at completelty at their mercy. I suggest that you watch the video -- *all* of it. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-05-23 11:43:37 AM |
| #46 Even the feckless CNN is reporting that there's no evidence of any wedding, but it sure looks like a hotbed of IslamoNazi killers! The Jihadis already tried this trick on us in Afghanistan, remember, everyone? And Zpaz, I love your quotes from their "holy book!" |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 11:42:14 AM |
| #45 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 11:39:28 AM |
| #44 RC's on the money - we smoked a Jihadi safehouse and sent 40+ scum to the hell Allan has created for them. EOS |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-05-23 11:38:42 AM |
| #43 Qurâan 8:12 âI shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.â We mean you no harm, really. Let's all sing a song, shall we. |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 11:36:32 AM |
| #42 Phil lots of Palestinians are Christians Lots of Palestinians used to be Christians. Most of them are dead, converted or emigrated. I believe 90% of them are gone. And I'll ignore that raping Christian girls is a popular hobby in paleos areas. |
| Posted by: Phil B 2004-05-23 11:32:54 AM |
| #41 Guys, you let the peacenuts distract you from the story. Basically, the US struck a jihadi safe house/transit point, and the jihadis used the gullible media to say the US really hit a "wedding". Apparently Iraqi weddings involve not only gunfire, but also bombs and fake IDs. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-05-23 11:31:25 AM |
| #40 There were no "Palestinians" until Britain created the state in 1921--ask Bin Laden about the "Cairo Conference"--and Palestine CEASED TO EXIST as a state in 1947 when the state of Israel was created. "Palestinians" are a tribe that belong to Jordan. Even Arafat is Egyptian. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 11:29:30 AM |
| #39 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 11:26:35 AM |
| #38 who can't spell e.g M.e.n.t.a.l. spells mental you know Can you people PLEASE buy dictionaries. It would help a lot if you understood what words and terms actually meant, e.g. 'e.g' makes no sense in the statement above. |
| Posted by: Phil B 2004-05-23 11:25:10 AM |
| #37 Why don't you 2 peace-nik pixies skip back to Jihad Unspun or DUh.com or wherever it is you came from? |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 11:24:00 AM |
| #36 go back to the 7th century where you belong, oh and a little tip for you, your wonderful 'god' called Allan is nothing more then the ultimate tool of oppresion used to control the Arab populations.Basically your fuckin Moon God dosn't mean shit,zilch,nothing. THE END |
| Posted by: Shep UK 2004-05-23 11:23:08 AM |
| #35 Coming to a town near you: Qurâan 9:5 âFight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.â The Religion of Peace and its Rules of Engagement. It gives me such a warm fuzzy. |
| Posted by: Zpaz 2004-05-23 11:22:47 AM |
| #34 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 11:22:00 AM |
| #33 In answer to your question Gentle. It depends if they were Israelis or Palestinians. If they were Israelis I would throw down the gun confident that they would treat me fairly, humanely, and according to the law. If it were palestinians then I would probably shoot it out, because they would as likely as not murder me, especially if they found out I was a christian. Does that answer your question? |
| Posted by: Phil B 2004-05-23 11:20:25 AM |
| #32 Ooooooh! Ouch! Oh, no! Miz AntiPasto done whipped me in languages and spelling...or so she likes to think so! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 11:19:52 AM |
| #31 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 11:16:31 AM |
| #30 "Gentle,"what is wrong with you? (Besides not being very bright.) How did the Jeopardy category get changed from World Religions for $500 to Self-Defense for $50? |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 11:15:45 AM |
| #29 If you had a gun i your hand, and standing before you was someone who would kill you + your family. Would you, or would you not, kill him? The truth now. ALL OF YOU. I'm waiting |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 11:12:37 AM |
| #28 after all the |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-05-23 11:08:49 AM |
| #27 Ya know, MentleRetard, you just didn't get the memo from the mullahs and the clerics that Al Queda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Ansar al-Islam, Jemayah Ismalaya,________(insert Jihadi group name here), etc., etc, etc. did. Your fellow Muslims have been slaughtering people since 1972 (and that's just this Century's round of murders) in the name of your religion because they claim that the Koran and Mohammed told them to do it, as Allah wishes! But maybe your Koran--you being a weak-minded female who's judgement is clouded by menstruation, doncha know?--had that part cut out. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 11:08:27 AM |
| #26 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 11:05:35 AM |
| #25 What 72 virgins? I don't remember a number being mentioned, but anyway, that is not what awaits a muslim and they are not to kill non muslims. Whoever told you that? Allah is murciful and forgiving. Of paradise we have a lot of descriptions, but the one that I will choose is: " What no eye has seen, and no ear has heard, and no heart has imagined" |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 11:01:52 AM |
| #24 Wow, what an amazing coincidence, 3 retards showing up in the same thread to defend Allan the murderous moon god. What a lucky day! Please continue to hammer the snot out of them Jen, it's wonderful reading. |
| Posted by: JerseyMike 2004-05-23 10:59:48 AM |
| #23 Gentle and your braindead twin Antiwar, my God isn't "Allah"--Allah is a false god and no, "Allah" isn't an Arabic name for the One God of the Hebrews. Gentle I don't have time to explain the Judeo-Christian God here except here's how He describes himself, "I am that I am." He is the God of the Jews and the Christians. He is loving and merciful and he doesn't ask us to kill non-believers. And He promises us a lot more in Heaven than "72 virgins." All we have to do to get there is to believe on His Son, Jesus Christ; we don't have to die committing a jihadi murder. We are commanded to love our neighbors and ourselves. The Bible prophesizes a lot, but it didn't prophesy another "messenger" like Mohammed therefore I find no compulsion to take the Koran seriously. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 10:55:18 AM |
| #22 Antiwar and Gentle are one and the same troll - look at the comment posting times. Sinktrap the bitch |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-05-23 10:52:11 AM |
| #21 No bob, I didn't. Whaja all say 'bout me? |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 10:49:08 AM |
| #20 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 10:46:47 AM |
| #19 Hey, Gentle -- Didn't see your name pop up the other day when your Religion of Peace friends slaughtered the family that was running that progressive school in Pakistan. |
| Posted by: Infdel Bob 2004-05-23 10:44:58 AM |
| #18 Jen: Tell me about your God. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 10:41:39 AM |
| #17 Kuffir= To believe that there is NO God. YOU and Antiwar are christians. That means that you are "poeple of the book". You are "mushrik". Islam believes in christianity. We believe in Jesus. You may think this doesn't matter, but that is my point. You guys just don't have all your facts straight. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 10:38:53 AM |
| #16 I don't think so, AntiBrains. The God I worship isn't Allan, the Islamic "god." There is nothing I've read in the Koran about their god that makes him sound like my God, Jehovah. Jesus said that there would be "false prophets" that came after him and I believe Mohammed to have been such a one. Saddam was involved in 9/11--I knew it that day, but facts that have emerged since have only confirmed it. There are numerous news stories here that document it. And clearly the scrunchies and headbands are necessary to prevent what little brain you have from leaking out. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 10:38:19 AM |
| #15 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 10:37:17 AM |
| #14 Yeah, Great is right...All we need is for you 2 brain-dead ditzes to show up here together again. (Or are you the same person? Hmmm?) If Anti isn't a Muslim, she's the best little kuffir apologist Islam ever had. And I'm not a bit ashamed to say what I said above; in fact, I'm quite proud to be a Christian, an American and a Bush supporter! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 10:32:25 AM |
| #13 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 10:31:56 AM |
| #12 Great. Now maybe you poeple will believe what I've been trying to tell you. Oh, and Jen: Anti war has told you many times that she is NOT a muslim. There are things that even you should be ashamed to say. Now go ahead with any questions you may have )all of you), 'coz I'm ready to answer. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-05-23 10:25:05 AM |
| #11 AntiBrains, you are so deluded. The rest of us are "on about" reality. My God isn't Allan; it's Jehovah. And there's plenty to say that Saddam had his hand in 9/11 and had major links with Al Queda, missy! (It's not our fault that the Leftist Media that you pore over won't mention all the various links between Saddam and 9/11 or the fact that Islam isn't the Religion of Peace but the Religion of (Leaving People in) Pieces.) Catch the Clue Train before it totally passes you by and take off that hijab! I can't believe that as a woman, you would voluntarily enslave yourself by following the dictates of Islam! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-05-23 10:15:43 AM |
| #10 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-23 10:08:05 AM |
| #9 Saif,I'm sitting here listening to the news tell me about a battle at a Mosque. What was found stored in this"Holy Place"mortors,rpg's,2,000 rounds of ak-47 ammo. Religion of Peace my aching ass. |
| Posted by: Raptor 2004-05-23 8:57:32 AM |
| #8 Following from Rafael's comment - OTOH we might to decide to kill you all since there is nothing in Muslim culture of any value. |
| Posted by: Phil B 2004-05-23 7:38:10 AM |
| #7 Saifee: WE ARE THE BORG. LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS. WE WILL ADD YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR CULTURE WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. |
| Posted by: Rafael [Dhimmi mode] 2004-05-23 7:30:37 AM |
| #6 Saiefee - just a small comment please: More and more Americans are beginning to simply believe the following concerning radical Islamists and those who support or encourage them - Kill em...kill em all! Islam is a religion that worships Satan. Bush will not or believes he can not say it but this death cult worships a demon named Allah...not the God of the Bible. God descibes Jesus as His Son, the Creator of the universe. Allah describes him as just a good "man". I'll go with the Bible. As far as your statement "This war was waged based on lies and nothing but lies", I can only ask "wasn't there two really tall towers in New York that a group of Islamofreaks brought down in the name of that great religion of peace?" The so-called war Iraq is nothing more than another battle in the War on Terror (Islam). Go to hell Saifee. But I repeat myself... ***Fellow Ranters, a good discussion by Craig Winn (expert on the true meaning of the Religion of Peace) is available via streaming audio at israelnationalradio.com on hour 1 of the May 19th Tovia Singer show. Craig is the author of many books on Islam, and has a new book titled Prophet of Doom available for FREE now at prophetofdoom.net, is introduced at approximately the 5 minute mark of the this audo feed. Please check it out for a clear and easy to understand explanation of the cult of Islam. |
| Posted by: Constitutional Individualist 2004-05-23 7:23:06 AM |
| #5 looks like we got one of these 'anti-war' types in today,should be amusing. I suppose all those Iraqis killed were women and children simply going about thier buisness,there are no foriegn fighters from Syria or Iran, there was no AQ link to Saddam,he never had WMD,and of course the casual brushing aside of the fact that Mr Hussain had tried to invade two of his neighbours,had attacked eight other countrys oh and ultimatly led to the death of a grand total of somewhere between 900,000 and 1.5 million not to mention.Oh yeah and musn't mention the human rights record of almost all Arab states when talking about outraged Arabs and the Abu-Grubib scandel,and just for a laugh we'll throw in the 'its all for oil' argument whilst ignoring both the fact that Arab countrys need us to buy thier oil or they'd have zero and the fact that the much vaunted U.N food for oil for money program has been exposed as a scandal of gigantic proportions,of course your type choses to ignore the truth and turn ourselves into the 'evil' ones. a tip for you, go educate yourself on the world. |
| Posted by: Shep UK 2004-05-23 7:12:43 AM |
| #4 Why is it that whatever Americans have to say is the truth and everyone else is lying? Its time for Americans to wake up and realize the damage idiot Bush and his cronies are causing to the Americans themselves. It is ok for the American forces to kill innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan but it is a crime for the people of Iraq & Afghanistan to defend themselves and kill Americans in return?? This war was waged based on lies and nothing but lies. There is still no evidence of WMD that was the basis of going to war but Bush and his pet Blair still has the audacity to stand in front of the world and justify their crimes in Iraq & Afghanistan. It is time for UK & American people to realize the folly of their Government and stop them from making this world an even more dangerous place for all. What is happening in Iraq & Afghanistan is not military action, it is nothing but big bully trying to extend his territory and pillaging resources of other countries. This "war" has nothing to do with stemming terrorism, as this "war" is being waged by the biggest terrorist nations that the world has seen for a very long time, namely USA & UK. |
| Posted by: Saifee 2004-05-23 5:37:30 AM |
| #3 badanov - don't you mean "very sick"? |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-05-23 2:12:30 AM |
| #2 Military officials said Saturday the insurgents had not complied, and that the talks had ceased. That seemed to set the stage for possible violence later this week. Violence? This is another example of how the media is slowly trying to lull the public into accepting compromises in security by stating what is rally going on is violence, not military action, something only lawyers can handle. Very slick. |
| Posted by: badanov 2004-05-23 1:24:37 AM |
| #1 Gee... can't wait to hear about this in the media..... do you think they will mention it? Military officials said Saturday the insurgents had not complied, and that the talks had ceased. That seemed to set the stage for possible violence later this week. Hmm...whats that term again.... lets thing... oh yea.. Suckers! Dont they know by now that Sadr and the 'insurgents' feel it is ok to lie to westerners? |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-05-23 1:09:34 AM |