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Wretchard: Reaction to Interrogation Scandal is "Last Grasp" At Civilized Standards
2004-05-08
My first thoughts at the news of the Abu Ghraib abuses, the Taguba Report and the Presidential mea culpa which followed was whether posterity would recall the incident in the same way the Christmas Truce in the first year of the Great War is remembered today. The last grasp at enforcing civilized standards of conduct before the brutality of the trenches coarsened men completely. The fraternization of that first December so alarmed the generals that "special precautions were taken during the Christmases of 1915, 1916 and 1917, even to the extent of actually stepping up artillery bombardments" to prevent its recurrence.

The brass didn’t have to worry: it was never to be repeated. After the Somme in the following year, infantrymen on both sides filed saw-teeth into their bayonets to make the thrusts more painful. The history which remembers the Second World War as ’the Good War’ forgets how four years of fighting transformed Allies that refused to bomb German cities in 1940 into those that planned thousand plane raids on Hamburg and Dresden in 1945 to rain incendiaries on tens of thousands of Western Europeans as policy. There were no reprimands, only medals, for the B-29 crews that incinerated 100,000 civilians in Tokyo in the raid of March 9, 1945. And the sad balance of probability is that Abu Ghraib will be displaced from the front pages by the next terrorist outrage, the next Bali, the next Madrid, the next 9/11 until we find ourselves wondering why it upset us at all.

While it is important to punish everyone responsible for the outrages at Abu Ghraib, the only effective way to stop the corrupting influences of war is to achieve victory. Japanese tourists are welcome in Asia everywhere today because the Second World War ended in 1945. And if by contrast Palestinians hand out sweets whenever a Jewish orphanage and Old Folk’s home is bombed it may be because the UN refugee camps there celebrated their 50th anniversary in 1998. If the outrages at Abu Ghraib hasten the end of war it will not have been in vain, but if they lead, as the Left most earnestly desires, to a Vietnam-like stalemate, it will be not the last but the first of many sad mileposts. ... One day Nicholas de Genovea, the Columbia professor who called for a "million Mogadishus" will understand that it means a billion dead Muslims.
Posted by:Mike Sylwester

#5  Mistreatment should be punished so the angry gal in the photos is likely to be pretty sorry she chose to work out her issues this way.

Second... These prisoners are locked up because they are Saddam's guys so excessive sympathy is like crying for Hitler's SS if they had to spend some time locked up at Auschwitz. At least these prisoners know they won't get the same bullet to the back of the head they dealt out with such frequency...

Third... Considering the misogynist nature of many excesses underpublicized in this culture I'd say the Islamic world could use some pictures of a woman soldier... not a woman in a burkha... not a woman with genital mutilation... not a woman beaten up... not a woman slaughtered for "honor"... so help me out here...

I think these photos would discourage the misogynist Islamic terrorists just as General 'blackjack' Pershing stopped the Islamics by burying them with pigs...

After all... what could be worse to them then to be paraded around by a woman soldier?
Posted by: DANEgerus   2004-05-08 7:08:30 PM  

#4  I have another take a little diferent than Belmont club.
Elite society in West (political/journos/some economic like that Soros clown) seems bunch of children with bad faith and loosing standarts.
There are an increasing disparity between Human rules(facts) and "Civilisation" rules (papers).

The default hate of western civilisation will finish one of the great achivements of that civilisation: functional countries that also granted security to their citizens.

Next war : will be an World Civil War

it's starting in Nigeria, Sudan, Indonesia
Posted by: Anonymous4602   2004-05-08 5:29:18 PM  

#3  My advice to you badanov is to Duck.
Posted by: fury one   2004-05-08 3:17:44 PM  

#2  Wonderful sentiment, Jen. Just one problem: Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization and not a signatory to any of the Conventions on the laws of war. They are infact illegal combatants.

Does anyone wanna try to get Al Qaeda to sign on to these things? I don't and I seriously doubt it would be militarily prudent to do so.

Al Qaeda fights without honor or rules. Our soldiers fight with both. When a tiny group goes outside that constrictive box, we discipline the doers, remove and cashier the officers and we go on to victory.

What we shouldn't do is to saddle our combatants with more, new rules after the war has begun.

Let's let the military defeat these folks first, then we can begin a national debate on how to be even nicer to crazy terrorists as we deprive them of the only thing they have consistently rejected: their own lives.
Posted by: badanov   2004-05-08 1:20:03 PM  

#1  Wretchard is quite the philosopher and he may well be right, as usual.
He does remind us that we're at war and "war is hell."
Our enemy doesn't scruple about how he kills us, treats our hostages and prisoners or mutilates our dead.
We should at least take heed of that.
And if we promise to abide by the Geneva Convention and ensure that POWs are treated humanely, is it too much for us to ask--just ask-- of Al Queda that they do the same for us?
It can't hurt.
Posted by: Jen   2004-05-08 12:29:45 PM  

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