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Iraq-Jordan
US challenges Falluja militants
2004-04-20
Sounds like someone sprouted a new set.
US forces besieging the Iraqi city of Falluja have issued an ultimatum to Sunni militants, urging them to give up their arms or face fresh fighting. Spokesman Gen Mark Kimmitt told the BBC that offensive operations would resume unless heavy weapons were surrendered. He was speaking after the US-led coalition announced measures to end the military stand-off there. These include shortening the curfew and allowing unfettered humanitarian access to the people of Falluja. Residents of Falluja contacted on Tuesday morning by Reuters news agency said there had been no fighting since the measures were announced on Monday. The agency also reported that civilians who had fled the fighting in the city were now trickling back - but were forced to do so on foot, as US marine checkpoints had turned back vehicles. Speaking to the BBC World Service’s World Today programme, Gen Kimmitt said the US did not know how many heavy weapons the Sunni militants had, but insisted that the "overwhelming majority" must be handed in.
"Well, if that antiaircraft gun was your grampaw's, I guess you can keep it. But y'gotta turn in the ammunition!"
"The ammunition? But that was Aunt Fatimah's! She set such store by it! Used to keep it in a glassed in bunker, off the dining room..."
He gave no timetable, but said the aim was to bring Falluja under coalition control. Gen Kimmitt also sought to play down reports of heavy civilian casualties in Falluja over the past two weeks, saying the reports needed to be verified by the Iraqi government. He also appeared to acknowledge that no direct talks had been held with the actual militants who, he said, included foreign fighters. The Falluja agreement came after days of talks between senior US officials and representatives of local Iraqis. Dan Senor, the US administration’s chief spokesman, said the deal included:
Better access to local hospitals so the wounded could be treated, as well as for retrieving and burying bodies

Amnesty for people who hand in their weapons

Easy access for ambulances

Shortening the curfew by two hours

Regular joint patrols between US forces and local Iraqis

Reforming police and the Iraqi defence corps - which will be able to take over and pledge to eliminate "foreign fighters, criminals and drug users in Falluja", said Mr Senor.
It is not clear whether the Iraqi civic leaders taking part in the negotiations are able to control the insurgents. They have said they do not control about 20% of the population of the city, says the BBC’s Dominic Hughes in Baghdad, and the support of this percentage could be crucial to the future of the deal.
They're the ones who're gonna ambush and mutilate another Westerner...
The US offensive started early this month following the killing and mutilation of four US security contractors in Falluja. Hundreds of civilians are reported to have been killed in the fighting. An uneasy ceasefire has been in force for more than a week. Militants in Falluja - in the area known as the Sunni triangle - have spearheaded the Iraqi insurgency against the US-led occupation of Iraq, which has now spread south of Baghdad to include Shia militants loyal to radical cleric Moqtada Sadr. The US-led coalition has also been involved in negotiations to resolve a stand-off in the holy city of Najaf with militias loyal to Mr Sadr.
"Hundreds of civilians are reported to have been killed in the fighting." I’m getting pretty sick of this banana oil. If our snipers were that incompetent, they’d never have made it off of the range with any marksmanship certification. It’s time to take names and kick some @ss.
"Hoo, boy! That was a close one! They almost got me! Grandmaw, have a peak and see what they're doing... Awwww! Mahmoud, see if you can snake Granny back into the living room, wouldja?"
Posted by:Zenster

#15  Rantburg U, Applied technology. graduate degree. I'm taking notes as fast as I can.
Posted by: Lucky   2004-04-20 11:58:56 PM  

#14  There is existing technology currently used for riot control with water cannons. A penetrating dye is infused into the monitor's reservoir and after hosing down a mob you can cull out any agitators who are males of fighting age. Capturing photo images of the crowd will assist with verification after detainment. Hoods aren't of any use in defeating this.

We need to start doing this right away. Sure would have been nice to pick out each and every b@stard who was cheering on that bridge. I can't imagine why they haven't imported said equipment into Iraq for this exact purpose.
Posted by: Zenster   2004-04-20 9:55:20 PM  

#13  Capsaicin is an interesting idea and is really noxious

Well maybe if you drink it. It makes me sweat and smile and jump up and down AND DEMAND WATER I'M NEEDIN WATER HERE YOU BROWN BUGGERS WATER! IM NEEDING WATER. Excellent stuff. Milk be better cure tho.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-04-20 8:18:50 PM  

#12  Capsaicin is an interesting idea and is really noxious. But I like the idea of marking 'em with paint so that we can later identify the perp. If you use capsaicin or other noxious agent the LLL will complain that we harmed poor Aunt Fatimah and her kiddies as they were being used as cover human shields.

Mark 'em, and make sure the region knows how the paint can be seen by a Predator drone from 10,000 feet up.
Posted by: Steve White   2004-04-20 7:10:19 PM  

#11  They have developed a paint ball that contain capsasum(pepper spray)instead of paint.Alternate rounds out to do it.
Posted by: raptor   2004-04-20 6:34:14 PM  

#10  larger caliber?
Posted by: Frank G   2004-04-20 5:58:16 PM  

#9  RC, that could work, the paint pellets would need an "extra ingedient" though to incapacitate the attacker, any sugestions?
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL   2004-04-20 5:49:39 PM  

#8  Hell, whenever they hide behind women and children, just hit the area with a barrage of paint pellets. Relatively harmless to the innocents, and if you use the right dye, everyone who was there is marked for a few weeks.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-04-20 5:44:02 PM  

#7  I wouldn't mind seeing a UV dye gun used to hit gunmen hiding behind women and children. Then when they're spotted later pretending to be innocents they can be dealt with appropriately.
Posted by: ruprecht   2004-04-20 5:00:44 PM  

#6  Zenster, that's an interesting Idea. Problem is the usual suspects will claim the powder is designed to ensure the target is dead, or some such foolishness.
Posted by: ruprecht   2004-04-20 4:59:06 PM  

#5  Any wounded Arab male of fighting age should be detained for the length of their recovery. Ballistics tests should be performed on any bullet fragments recovered from their wounds. If they've been hit by American fire, into a compound they go for the duration. We should consider having a UV dye powder on all our bullets so we can determine who people were hit by.
Posted by: Zenster   2004-04-20 4:41:56 PM  

#4  Ambulances leaving the area should be stopped and the casualty transferred to US custody. We'll give them better treatment AND prevent ambulances from being used to escape or transport weapons.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-04-20 3:28:12 PM  

#3  Easy access for ambulances

NO. Not without a thorough search, coming and going.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-04-20 3:10:18 PM  

#2  ...but were forced to do so on foot, as US marine checkpoints had turned back vehicles.

At least Zarqawi probably had to ride a camel out of there. Hope they had to duct tape him to the saddle.
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-04-20 2:54:05 PM  

#1  I notice also that they never give a figure for wounded, just dead. Wounded should be running in the 8000-9000 range, based on the corpse reports.
Posted by: mojo   2004-04-20 2:51:37 PM  

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