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| Palestinians consider veering off road map |
| 2004-02-09 |
| Looks like Arafat is starting to worry. Things are starting to move outside his control, and he canât be happy A senior Palestinian official said today that Yasser Arafatâs government was considering declaring a state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem if Israel tried to impose a boundary on the Palestinians. Zalman Shoval, a senior aide to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon warned Israel could annex disputed territories in response. The possibility of the declaration of a state was raised at a meeting of Palestinian leaders over the weekend, said Yasser Abed Rabbo, who is close to Arafat. Abed Rabbo said many of those present supported the idea, but did not say whether Arafat was also in favour. However, other participants said the proposal was only raised informally and was not part of the agenda. Abed Rabbo insisted that declaring independence â which would mean walking away from the US-backed A statehood declaration would come as a counter move to Sharonâs plan to âdisengageâ from the Palestinians, in the event efforts fail to revive peace talks in coming months. Such Palestinian action would pre-empt final status talks, Shoval said. âThe (Palestinian) foregoing of the phase of final negotiations with Israel ⊠would leave options for Israel like annexing certain territories, which is not the present intention of the government,â Shoval said. Sharonâs disengagement plan was not meant to establish final borders, which would be decided together with the Palestinians, Shoval said. Sharon has proposed redeploying Israeli troops, dismantling some settlements and imposing a boundary on the Palestinians. In such an arrangement, the Palestinians would end up with far less territory than they seek for their state. |
| Posted by:tipper |
| #25 Damn.you guys left me with nothing,absloutly nothing left to add. Oh ya,I forgot Faisal you are about one dumb ass s.o.b..But what can you expect when your opponent brings a knife to an intellectual gunfight. |
| Posted by: Raptor 2004-2-9 5:57:50 PM |
| #24 .com #7 - awesome display! PlanetDan #19 - superb sir! and Dan (not Darling) #21 - excellent missive! Ah, this is why I come to RantBurg - devasting *facts* delivered with wit and style! |
| Posted by: Tony (UK) 2004-2-9 5:23:50 PM |
| #23 May I quote you for a moment, anonymous? ...think of how the israeli govt behaves now and its like hitler alright. the truth can be painful. you may be right... Israel is building a ugly wall that will separate one people from the other, just like hitler did with the ghettos in europe, but that's about all the similarity you can find. Where Hitler walled the Jews in to let them choke and die a slow, congested death, Israel is walling in the Jews (and Christians, too) as a last desperate effort so allow them to live free from their would-be murderers. Now, if you are looking for a few ACCURATELY comparable examples to Hitler and the nazis, why not try the television programming (government-run television programming, mind you) in neighboring Egypt. Or if you have no desire to look that far, why not take a gander at the Palestinian Authority's officially approved schoolbooks for Palestinian youth? Or maybe the just the pictures of legions of preschoolers dressed like commandos with Jihad headbands, and cute little toy AK-47's slung around their shoulders. Oh, don't forget those adorable "mock explosive belts" that seem to be all the rage of the kindergarden set this year. Can you say, "Brownshirts" or "Hitler Youth"? |
| Posted by: Dripping Sarcasm 2004-2-9 5:07:23 PM |
| #22 Sorry Fred. Feel free to delete/edit/whatever. (blood pressure falling, vision clearing) |
| Posted by: Dan (not Darling) 2004-2-9 4:56:06 PM |
| #21 The Arabs don't NEED a country because they already HAVE two dozen countries scattered across the world's two largest continents. Even with the West Bank and Gaza, Israel is smaller than most American counties. The West Bank Jordanians and Gaza Egyptians have a choice: live peacefully in one of the world's most modern and productive societies ... or else leave and live amongst their beloved brother Arabs (they will welcome you, right?). Cue Anonymous: Obviously this is a worse crime than the Holocaust, and clearly the Muslims are left with no choice but suicide bombings. To suggest otherwise is both immoral and insane. It simply ignores the facts. After all, this same tried-and-proven pattern of historical injustice explains all of those: Native American suicide bombings in the U.S. and Canada, Aboriginal suicide bombings in Australia, Maori suicide bombings in New Zealand, Welsh and Scottish suicide bombings in Britain, Nahuatl, Zapotec, and Mayan suicide bombings in Mexico, Lapplander suicide bombings in Sweden and Finland, Wendish suicide bombings in southeastern Germany, Sudeten German suicide bombings in the Czech Republic, Transylvanian Hungarian suicide bombings in Romania, Ainu and Korean suicide bombings in Japan, Zulu and white Afrikaaner suicide bombings in South Africa, Tibetan suicide bombings in China, African American suicide bombings across two continents, and lest we forget, all of those Jewish suicide bombers ... everywhere. It can't just be some sick idiosyncrasy of Muslim serfs. Right? |
| Posted by: Dan (not Darling) 2004-2-9 4:54:51 PM |
| #20 Here's a thought. Why don't they veer off the fuckin' planet? Anonymous can drive the bus. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-2-9 4:03:19 PM |
| #19 zionists made the palestinians move out hmmm. that's not what the arabs themselves said. It was the arab states who, in anticipation of glorious victory against the Jews, encouraged the arabs in the area to leave: "The Arab state which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promise to help these refugees." â The Jordanian daily newspaper Falastin, Feb. 19, 1949. "Who brought the Palestinians to Lebanon as refugees, suffering now from the malign attitude of newspapers and communal leaders, who have neither honor nor conscience? Who brought them over in dire straits and penniless, after they lost their honor? The Arab states, and Lebanon amongst them, did it." â The Beirut Muslim weekly Kul-Shay, Aug. 19, 1951. "The 15th May, 1948, arrived ... On that day the mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country, because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead." â The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, Oct. 12, 1963. "For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy." â The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953. So, faisal, your recounting of the facts of that time is mere revisionist inaccuracy, despite how much you would like them to be true. |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2004-2-9 2:32:04 PM |
| #18 Anti zionism and anti semitism are 2 different things. i am not a jew hater. anyway think of how the israeli govt behaves now and its like hitler alright. the truth can be painful. |
| Posted by: Anonymous 2004-2-9 2:22:47 PM |
| #17 Evert -- Maybe Arafat got endorsed by Al Gore? :P |
| Posted by: Desert Blondie 2004-2-9 2:18:50 PM |
| #16 does the word lebensraum remind you of anything We got ourselves a European jew-hater. Wotta surprise. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-2-9 2:16:49 PM |
| #15 Somewhat OT I saw arafat in a newsflash two or three weeks ago on CNN, i cant remember the story but i am more then fairly certain that the footage was shot that day the lower half of his face looked swolen, the trembling looked out of control and had certainly worsened since i saw the last footage of the "man" and he had to be supported by two men leaving the building and advance about 10 neters to where the foto-op took place. Has anyone seen the "man" more recent then me? Maybe its time to start another deathpool. A lot of wierd trolls tonight, must be a full moon. |
| Posted by: Evert Visser 2004-2-9 2:12:01 PM |
| #14 What desert bloom? it wasn't empty before the zionists moved in. palestinians and jews (not zionists) lived there and the zionists made the palestinians move out so they could have well does the word lebensraum remind you of anything? all zionists have done is behave like Nazis with their tanks and checkpoints and settlements. |
| Posted by: Anonymous 2004-2-9 2:01:07 PM |
| #13 Read your history the state of Israel was implemented in 1948 by zionists. Yeah, Cuba was founded by the Spanish, America by the English, and Singapore largely by the Chinese. So what? Let me ask you a question. Do you call any other country in the world by other than the name its own inhabitants call it? Is American the english place? Quebec the french place? Calling Israel the zionist place is Islamist propaganda. In case you haven't noticed, the folks in these parts don't ake too kindly to that sort of malarkey. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2004-2-9 1:48:02 PM |
| #12 Faisal/Anonymous #9 Read your history the state of Israel was implemented in 1948 by zionists Actually, the two-state solution was implemented by the UN, but the arabs thought they'd have a one state solution and a lot of Jews swimming in the Med Sea. So they attacked in 48, 56, 67, 73. All that happened is that Israel was able to take land as a result. The arabs have been disappointed ever since, and can't seem to get it through their heads that Israel will remain in existence. More now, than ever before. But you're right. It was Zionists who emigrated to the legitimate state of Israel, and it was Zionists who took a piece desert and made it bloom and it was Zionists who built a democracy there and it was Zionists who created a society where culture, intellect and science flourish. You use the word "Zionists" like it's a bad thing, Faisal! LOL |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2004-2-9 1:38:56 PM |
| #11 I dunno... you've got to give the Palestinians a little credit. It's one thing to "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." They take it to a much higher level when they make plans to do so three or four opportunities in advance. It's a bit like playing grandmaster-level 3D chess using randomly timed hand grenades for pieces... |
| Posted by: snellenr 2004-2-9 1:34:52 PM |
| #10 Yeah, Faisal, and the state of Palestine was implemented in 2004 by Zionists too. I give it about six months before it blows itself up. And it's obvious it's Faisal, still in his closet. |
| Posted by: Anonymous 2004-2-9 1:11:28 PM |
| #9 Read your history the state of Israel was implemented in 1948 by zionists. |
| Posted by: Anonymous 2004-2-9 12:52:24 PM |
| #8 If you saw your parents killed and your house demolished before your eyes you would be a suicide bomber too. No, I wouldn't. That would be immoral of me. And cowardly. The splodydopes are cowards in the end -- too afraid to live and engage the world, too afraid to go up against the IDF, too afraid to think about how they got into the situation they're in. The splodydopes are immoral cowards. If I saw my parents killed, I wouldn't commit suicide -- I'd fight. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2004-2-9 12:16:42 PM |
| #7 I declare myself independently wealthy, healthy as a Clydesdale, and oh so devastatingly handsome. Gee, that's funny. No effect. Mebbe if I click my heels together 3 times, face Mekkah, hold my arms above my head just so, bow my head like this, put my tongue in my cheek just so, and say some magik werdz... F**kin Duh. And Anonymous, you're obviously right. The Paleos have every right ever dreamed up by man, have never ever done anything wrong, were peacefully living on the land 60,000 years ago praying to the future Allah in Neando-Aramaic and had full employment in their stone industry, managed by women who had vibrant healthy sex lives and full control of their destiny. Everything that has happened since that moment of bliss, from fire to AK-47's to TNT to Sesame Street and Barbie Dolls, is the fault of the Jooos and Merika and has served to keep the "Palestinians" from their rightful homes |
| Posted by: .com 2004-2-9 12:15:14 PM |
| #6 Anonymous #4: A lesson in how cause and effect works: Cause and effect in the real world: Cause: Your monstrous brood blows up a bus full of innocents with a bomb, killing scores. Effect: Your house gets demolished by the IDF. Cause and effect in the fantasy world: Cause: Your house gets demolished by the IDF. Effect: You blow up a bus full of innocents. By the way, the "zionist place" is called Israel. 2,500 years ago, my ancestors called bears "brown ones" (bruins) because they thought they'd be cursed if they called the animal by its real name. Please join the 21st century and start calling things by their real names. There was this thing called the "Enlightenment" about 500 years ago, and since then, we've pretty much proven that things like curses and magic don't work. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2004-2-9 12:14:33 PM |
| #5 Some Egyptian historians proposed that the story of 'Mo ending up in Israel is wrong and he actually ended up in Medina. That would negate the claim of alAsqa. |
| Posted by: Anonymous2U 2004-2-9 11:52:25 AM |
| #4 If you saw your parents killed and your house demolished before your eyes you would be a suicide bomber too. The zionist place has a lot of blood on its hands and needs to stop killing and denying the palestinians their basic human rights. |
| Posted by: Anonymous 2004-2-9 11:49:22 AM |
| #3 declaring a state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem Yeah, it's kind of hard to do this with a freagin wall in the way. And East Jerusalem? Try getting through the most technologically advanced nation in the ME, and one of the top 5 in the world. Please, do try. |
| Posted by: Charles 2004-2-9 10:30:24 AM |
| #2 My regard for Palestinians, never very high, took a nosedive on 9/11 after their little street celebrations. Since then it's only gone down more with each suicide bombing. And at this point, I have extreme difficulty even thinking of them as human beings. As far as I'm concerned, Israel can do whatever it wants with them. And I mean, WHATEVER. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-2-9 10:12:52 AM |
| #1 I love how the dynamics have shifted in the region. Hamas' strength has grown to rival that of arafat. Hezbollah, through Israel's actions, has also gained in prestige and power, threatening arafat. And Israel, by building the wall and declaring the removal of settlements in Gaza, has gained a great strategic advantage as well as saving the lives of Israelis by making suicide bombings more difficult. As the car commercial says, "This changes everything." |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2004-2-9 9:00:29 AM |