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Middle East
Kerry: Bush fails as commander in chief
2004-01-30
Democratic front-runner Sen. John Kerry, responding to Republican questions about his ability to lead the nation, said that President Bush has failed as commander in chief.
"Yup. Hang it up. Lousy job..."
While debating his six rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination in Greenville, South Carolina, Kerry said Bush broke his promise that he would "build a legitimate global coalition" and go to war only "as a last resort."
"Yup. Coalition's illegitimate. All bastards. Went to war as the 4th resort, not the last."
"He did not go to war as a last resort, and I think he fails the test of the commander in chief," said Kerry, a decorated Navy veteran of the Vietnam War. "I intend to hold him accountable in this election, because the American people’s pockets are being picked to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, and our troops are at greater risk than they needed to be," said the senator from Massachusetts. "And we deserve leadership that knows how to take a nation to war if you have to."
"Not that I'd ever expect to have to, mind you. I'm sure the French would bail us out long before it came to that."
Earlier in the day, Ed Gillespie, chairman of the Republican National Committee, questioned Kerry’s ability to lead the nation in the post-September 11 era. While calling Kerry’s service in the military "honorable," Gillespie faulted Kerry’s voting record in the Senate, where he is serving in his fourth term. "His long record in the Senate is one of advocating policies that would weaken our national security," Gillespie said.
Ahhh, but he also has a record of advocating policies that would strengthen our national security. It depends on what day of the week it is and which constituent he's writing to...
Kerry, along with Sens. John Edwards of North Carolina and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, voted to support the war in Iraq. Edwards says his vote was based on intelligence information and that an independent commission should be formed to determine if that information was credible.
Yep. Form a committee. That always works. Just think of all the good things that've come out of committees. There's... ummm...
At Thursday night’s debate, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean attacked Kerry as weak on health care, saying the Democratic Party needs a candidate "who is willing to get stuff done."
"And I'm just the guy you need to do stuff!"
"If you want a president who is going to get results, I suggest that you look at somebody who did get results in my state," Dean said.
"Which is minuscule, admittedly, and chock full of hippies, but otherwise representative of This Great Land of Ours™..."
The barb came in what was an otherwise cordial debate in which the presidential contenders focused their attacks on President Bush’s policies on the war on terror and Iraq. Before the debate, Dean said his campaign’s insurgent appeal won’t change despite the departure of his campaign chief after losses in New Hampshire and Iowa. But after placing third in the Iowa caucuses and second in the New Hampshire primary, Dean played down his chances in the seven states holding primaries and caucuses Tuesday.
"I'm toast! No! No! I'm not, really... I still have some money left!"
He said his campaign is focused on the Michigan caucuses February 7, where 153 delegates are at stake. "We’re going to have to win eventually," Dean said.
"With all these states, the law of averages says we have to, eventually..."
"But the question was do we have to win on February 3?
"Or do we win three or four elections from now? Or when Hell freezes over?"
"Of course we want to. But we don’t have to. What we’ve got to do is amass as many delegates as we can."
"Really. We don't have to win anything. We're in this for the principle of the thing. I never really wanted to be president. I just like to holler on national teevee..."
Dean currently leads the Democratic delegate count with 113. Kerry, the front-runner in the race with his strong victories in New Hampshire and Iowa, has 94 delegates. To win the Democratic nomination, a candidate must have at least 2,161 delegates. States holding contests Tuesday are South Carolina, Arizona, Delaware, Missouri, Oklahoma, New Mexico and North Dakota. Dean shook up his campaign staff Wednesday, naming Roy Neel, a one-time aide to Al Gore, as the effort’s new chief executive officer, and running off losing campaign manager Joe Trippi. The Dean campaign, which has raised more money than any other Democratic effort and opted out of public financing, may also be having financial problems. Some staffers have been asked to do without a paycheck for two weeks.
Not senior staffers, mind you...
"The Dean campaign has spent about $8.5 million overall in this race, with the majority of that, over $5 million, being between Iowa and New Hampshire," said CNN consultant Evan Tracey of TNS Media Intelligence. "Interestingly enough, he’s not running any ads now in the February 3 states. But he spent a lot of money in those states, even going back to last summer. Essentially, he’s going to walk away from that ad buy money in those states. And clearly a lot of the money he had been spending in those states was pulled out to bolster the New Hampshire effort." Dean’s aides said they are trying to arrange for him to campaign this weekend with former Vice President Al Gore, although they did not offer any details. Trippi, meanwhile, said Thursday he still believes in Dean and is confident he will be selected as the Democratic Party’s nominee for president.
Nobody else has made him a job offer, huh? That's too bad...
Kerry went into the debate with two strong endorsements. He picked up the endorsement of Rep. Jim Clyburn on Thursday morning. The South Carolina Democrat is a leader in the black community. Clyburn’s endorsement could be significant in Tuesday’s primary, in which as many as half the Democrats casting ballots are expected to be African-American. Kerry already has the support of the state’s senior U.S. senator, Ernest "Fritz" Hollings. Former president Bill Clinton has not endorsed any of the seven Democrats. But when asked Thursday if Kerry is too liberal to be the party’s standard-bearer, Clinton pointed out that Kerry stood with him to cut back budget deficits at the start of his first year in office.
Not too close to him, of course. But Bill wasn't standing that close to the guys actually cutting the deficits, either.
Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark, meanwhile, stumped in Oklahoma before heading to South Carolina to pick up the endorsement of Rock Hill Mayor Doug Echols.
Doug's always wanted to meet Madonna...
In Oklahoma, Clark stressed his military record and his status as a political newcomer. A senior campaign official said Clark, who narrowly edged out Edwards for third place in New Hampshire, would campaign aggressively in South Carolina, Oklahoma, New Mexico and Arizona. The former NATO supreme commander had yet to decide whether to make a serious effort in Missouri, where Kerry leads most polls after the withdrawal of favorite son Dick Gephardt, the official said.
Depends on how many truckloads of votes the Teamsters can kick in...
Edwards played up his Southern roots; he has described the South Carolina primary as a must-win for his candidacy to move forward. "I grew up here, I’ve lived here my entire life," he told reporters Wednesday, describing his connection to the South. "I’ve represented a Southern state, North Carolina, in the U.S. Senate."
"Not spectacularly, of course, but I was there. And I have a nice haircut. It's much more manageable than Kerry's hair..."
Meanwhile, Lieberman received a boost Thursday from the Arizona Republic newspaper, which endorsed him. Most of the candidates will gather Friday morning in Columbia, South Carolina, for a forum with working families, and then will be hitting the campaign trail to other battleground states.
Posted by:Tao Gold

#19  --as in Rwanda (where no one intervened in time)-

Yup, Kofi turned a blind eye and the frogs aided the Hutsis to escape.
Posted by: Anonymous2U   2004-1-30 11:17:43 PM  

#18  Tao wrote -squandering U.S. credibility

you mean the why clinton squandered us credibility...always bowing to someone else's interests and taking care of your own interests does not when much respect in the middle east.

Posted by: Dan   2004-1-30 10:39:30 PM  

#17  JFK returns from Viet Nam, learns war hero on his resume will not propel him to Demoncrat Party stardom, takes the politically expedient route by turning far left ANTI-WAR activist, provides aid and comfort to the enemy, votes to defund the South Vietnamese army, and advances his political career.Fast forward to the present. JFK votes for the liberation of Saddam from power, learns his pro-war stance will not propel him to the Demoncrat president nomination, turns anti-war, seeks to separate the men and women in uniform from the Commander in Chief in wartime, votes to DEFUND the war effort, provides aid and comfort to the enemy, and advances politically.
Posted by: Garrison   2004-1-30 9:21:27 PM  

#16  Geeez Swiggles! Well done and thanks!
Posted by: Shipman   2004-1-30 7:25:15 PM  

#15  TG: Hot in the kitchen today, ain't it. After Faisal fowled the place up yesterday, noone's in the mood to suffer fools. Simply spewing the party line (any party) doesn't wash around here. Since you're actually arguing your points, fine. I suggest some true research.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-1-30 6:05:33 PM  

#14  Here's one from the Long Memories Department:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

Have a look at some photographs and some thirty-year-old interviews that Red-White-n-Blue All-American War Hero(tm) Kerry doesn't want anyone to see.

Kerry loves to wrap himself in flags, only it's usually North Vietnamese and Viet Cong flags he wraps himself in. Wrapping himself in the American flag is something new for him.
Posted by: Anonymous   2004-1-30 5:30:15 PM  

#13  TG,
Kay's devestating indictment? Don't make me barf. If you f*cking lefties would quit lying about what Kay said maybe we would discuss it with you. Kay did say he thought the weapons might have been moved to Syria. Did you catch that you mindless toad? For that matter, quit lying about what Bush said. He never said Saddam was an 'imminent threat'! And yes, you sackless mental midget, there is a huge difference between a imminent threat and a growing danger. Look up imminent in a dictionary, that is if you can read you illiterate troglodyte. If you could wrap your puny mind around the concept of 'preemption' you could understand that 'imminent' is not required for 'preemption'. Human Rights Watch? They think people protesting in Iraq is worse than people being shredded in plastic shredders, and you except reasonable people to take them serious? Please define 'multilateral'? Because obviously it doesn't mean in concert with other countries, because you limped-dicked piece of shit: THERE ARE OTHER FUCKING COUNTRIES HELPING IN IRAQ! I am so sick of hearing the same, mindless lies repeated by you and your mindless ilk. Quit lying you son of a bitch. Then, and only then, can you expect a friendly debate.

As for the Newsweek poll, try not to blow your wad yet, loser. Bush hasn't even started campaigning against Kerry yet.

FOAD

Posted by: Swiggles   2004-1-30 4:53:22 PM  

#12  Amazing how there's no point trying to start a discussion up without getting insulted.

Despite Kay's devastating indictment, Bush and the boys are refusing to blink.

While no longer insisting, as they were until last week, that weapons would eventually be found, Bush, Cheney and others have slipped into their secondary argument: Saddam was evil and needed to be removed anyway.

But that was not their chosen tool to scare Americans into supporting their war. Rather, it was that Saddam could attack America with his deadly weapons, using missiles or terrorists.

To get around that blatant inconsistency, the White House is now trying a new tack: that Bush had never characterized Saddam's danger as "imminent," only as "grave and growing."

There is a difference?

The last time the White House tried such hair-splitting was when Bill Clinton argued it was not "sex" that he had had with Monica Lewinsky.

The difference in this case, of course, is that more than 500 Americans and nearly 15,000 Iraqi soldiers and civilians are dead.

As for the policy of toppling bad guys, of whom there are many, Human Rights Watch had something to say this week in a major report.

Humanitarian interventions, it said, are best reserved for stopping ongoing or imminent slaughters, as in Rwanda (where no one intervened in time) or in Iraq in 1988 when Saddam was gassing Kurds (and Washington winked). And such actions are best taken multilaterally.

The lone sheriff tableau is exclusively American — an outdated one at that, resurrected nonetheless in times of trouble for comforting reassurance. But if a Newsweek poll is any indication — Kerry leading Bush, 49 per cent to 46 per cent — the president may have overstayed his welcome in that role as well.
Posted by: Tao Gold   2004-1-30 4:02:14 PM  

#11  [spoken in a robotic voice]
I AM TAO GOLD. I HAVE NO THOUGHTS OF MY OWN. IF FRANCE IS NOT INVOLVED IT IS NOT LEGITIMATE. NO BLOOD FOR OIL. SAVE THE OWLS. I WANT TO MAKE HOT MONKEY LOVE TO HOWARD DEAN. I'LL GIVE HIM A REASON TO SCREAM.

YEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH
Posted by: AllahHateMe   2004-1-30 3:10:15 PM  

#10  Howard Dean, the passionate truth-teller about Iraq,

Nope Faisal and Tao different. Tao is a refugee from the BlogFoeAmerica. Play with the ComeBack Bat today Tao?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-1-30 2:33:39 PM  

#9  Didn't Kerry and Hanoi Jane support the North Vietmanese (i.e. Viet Cong) against our own troops during the vietnam war?

Yup.. war hero...
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-1-30 2:11:46 PM  

#8  RC, I think Tao and Faisal are one in the same. I tangled with him/them yesterday much to my distaste.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-1-30 1:59:22 PM  

#7  Hit all those talking points like a true automaton. I've often suspected that the Democratic Party recruits people (operatives?)like Tao Gold to spew the daily talking points on popular websites. Everytime a online forum gets popular, no matter what the forum's subject is, the TGs start showing up.
Posted by: 11A5S   2004-1-30 1:36:28 PM  

#6  Does Faisal have another pseudonym?

And I LOVE the "unilateral" lie -- why don't the people who believe that one move to France or Germany, if they love those pusswarts so much?
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-1-30 1:19:34 PM  

#5  Tao: Wow...you regurgitate right on cue don't you? Hit all those talking points like a true automaton. Dean as passionate truth teller? That's the best one I've heard since,
"Yeeeaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh"
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-1-30 1:02:55 PM  

#4  Regardless of who emerges as the Democratic presidential nominee, the race has already served its greater democratic purpose: It has blown away George W. Bush's wartime aura of patriotic infallibility.

Not only Howard Dean, the passionate truth-teller about Iraq, but Senator John Kerry, Gen. Wesley Clark and others have found their voices to question almost all aspects of Bush's post-Sept. 11 performance.

They are bringing home to Americans the worldwide debates about their president's penchant for exploiting and fanning fears by exaggerating dangers, taking unilateral actions abroad, and squandering U.S. credibility.
Posted by: Tao Gold   2004-1-30 12:35:21 PM  

#3  Kerry's dumber than a keanulint.
Posted by: Steve from Relto   2004-1-30 12:09:32 PM  

#2  Sorry, Kerry, but you lost the claim to "decorated veteran" when you pretended to throw those decorations on the Capitol steps. What vile creatures these candidates are...
Posted by: snellenr   2004-1-30 12:07:24 PM  

#1  Fails as CnC? This means so much coming from Botox Boy. Let's see: We get the W in Afghanistan and Iraq, we jug Sammy and toe tag is hell-spawn, Libya agreees to give up their WMD as a direct result , it looks as if we're gearing up to go after Binny and through it all Frawnce and the UN puppetshow are exposed for the incontinent dog and monkey rodeo that they truly are. All in all, I give it a B+/A-.

Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-1-30 11:16:12 AM  

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