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| Arab free speech advocate backs fired BBC host critical of Arabs |
| 2004-01-11 |
| EFL Ibrahim Nawar, an Egyptian, is the Head of the Board of Management of Arab Press Freedom Watch, a non-profit organisation based in London that works to promote freedom of expression in the Arab world. (the difficulty of which is illustrated by the BBC’s censor of the truth - its 1000x worse in the Arab world) "I fully support Robert Kilroy-Silk and salute him as an advocate of freedom of expression. I would like to voice my solidarity with him and with all those who face the censorship of such a basic human right. the standards of these countries are what the BBC aspires to... "I agree with much of what he says about Arab regimes. There is a very long history of oppression in the Arab world, particularly in the states he mentions: Iran, Iraq, Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, as well as in Sudan and Tunisia... |
| Posted by:mhw |
| #28 I agree. Kilroy is free to express himself. However, when one is dealing with communities and religions one has to be careful so as not to hurt the feelings of the other. Hey Faisal you blithering F***wit, how does that square with your statement you want to see Zion annihilated and all the Jews shipped to the US hmm? I guess logical fallices and cognitive disonance is a recurring problem for you or perhaps its because you dont see judaism as a religion or perhaps its simply because I'm right in calling you a blithering bigotted f***wit. |
| Posted by: Val 2004-1-11 9:58:08 PM |
| #27 And the massacre at Hama? Arabs are certainly not innocent parties in the Palestinian cause. I'de reckon they're far more guilty of the plight of that group than anyone else. Of course, some people just choose to see things differently. |
| Posted by: LJ 2004-1-11 8:38:30 PM |
| #26 Oh, Faisal? I have four words for you: Honor killings. Suicide bombings. What's your take on those. |
| Posted by: Korora 2004-1-11 5:50:05 PM |
| #25 Crawford: Have you read Christian and Jewish history? How they butchered millions? Oh yeah, but you don't wanna talk about it right? Complete non-sequitor. Yes, I've read a hell of a lot of history, including some of the nastiest bits. And ya know what? I'd rather stand up and say I'm an heir to Christian culture than Muslim "culture". Oh, and as for creating countries on the basis of religion -- go look at the history of Pakistan. The "land of the spiritually pure" was created because a bunch of Muslims couldn't stand the idea of having Hindu neighbors. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-1-11 4:33:10 PM |
| #24 I forgot to add that, based on comments of members of the Syrian government, a lot of Arabs firmly believe that Israel kills hundreds of Arab children each day (they also believe that Hindus do similiar). This belief is reinforced by Al Jazeera which shows the same footage of a single death (even if the deceased died because of an Arab bullet) over and over again. |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-1-11 4:12:46 PM |
| #23 #21 Yawl leave Mr. Faisal alone. He's funny. I have to agree with that. Let the man speak, but don't drive him away. I want him to stay as an example of a "Moderate Muslim". |
| Posted by: Charles 2004-1-11 4:11:18 PM |
| #22 "When you create countries like zion on basis of religion, systematically kill millions and forcibly occupy land, " Faisal,if your going to discuss things with inteligent,well read people like most of those on Rantburg(excluding myself).Then I advise you not you use bulls&^t and outright lies. The Jews did not create Israel,the U.N. did. If the Jews have killed millions why is there a single Paisltinian left alive. As to forcablly occuping land,what do you have to say about Syria and Hezbola(you know those Paleos you think so highly of)occupation and control of Lebanon. I wonder what happen to all the Lebonese Christians,Faisal.Could it be the are dead or ehnically cleansed. |
| Posted by: raptor 2004-1-11 2:54:09 PM |
| #21 Yawl leave Mr. Faisal alone. He's funny. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-1-11 2:51:14 PM |
| #20 Arab culture has produced a version of history that would be histerically funny if not for the suicide bombers, intimidation, etc. in the Arab world, - the holocaust was a minor incident in history - the protocols of the elders of zion is true - the US action in Bosnia to protect muslims was really a form of genocide because the US didn't arm the Bosnians with tanks - the US action freeing Kuwait was only to steal their oil - the US action in Afghanistan was only to force them into drug dependency - all the Christian and Jewish charity that has been used by Moslem victims of natural disasters has been done for some tricky reason - the fact that Moslem charities don't help Christian victims of natural disaster is due to a Zionist conspiracy - the moslem practise of enslaving Christian and animist Sudanese is another Zionist conspiracy - no Christians, Jews or Zoroastrians were persecuted under the happy dhimitude it would be considered a form of paranoid psychophrenia if not for the political correctness brigades; |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-1-11 2:23:01 PM |
| #19 BTW, do you know that the religion zionists follow thinks of Jesus as an illegitimate child of Mary. Guess you need to some comparitive study of religions. So what? It didn't keep Muslims from accepting him as a Prophet. And what makes you think we need religous studies? What we need are advocates of basic human rights. Know any in your Islamic community? Thought not. |
| Posted by: Gasse Katze 2004-1-11 2:20:25 PM |
| #18 looks like faisal the fool is at it again,this guys a real hoot.l bet you visit that fucin finsbury park mosque often don't you you maggot,go suck hook hands cock faisal you fool. |
| Posted by: Jon Shep U.K 2004-1-11 1:52:34 PM |
| #17 Mr Faisal It is funny. If Israel killed millions then why it is that there are still Palestinians? Why it is that the Arab Israelis haven't been fleeing and are in fact the happier and freer of the Arabs. But if you are so much into body count let's talk about the gassed Kurds, the impaled Algerians or the Afghans murdered by the Arabians or their puppets. You talk of stolen land. Let's first speak of what you stole to the Kurds, the Shias or the Berbers, let's remember that 90% of "Arab" oil comes from those stolen lands. But last but not least let's speak of the millions, real millions, killed, enlaved and raped in South Sudan. When you will have given back the land you stole to the last acre, the illegitmiate oil money you earned, and that the South Sudanese will have inflicted rape for rape, murder for murder on their tormentors then we will speak about the Palestinians.
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| Posted by: JFM 2004-1-11 1:50:01 PM |
| #16 It's good to have someone like Faisal speak on Rantburg. It reinforces just how twisted, stupid, and totally ignorant the majority of the Arabs think we "kaffirs" are, while fully displaying their arrogant, warped, twisted, and not terribly intelligent ideas and thought patterns. It's gonna hurt the entire Muslim world really, really bad when the entire Islamofascist house of cards gets kicked apart and displayed for the sham it is. Faisal: You claim the God of Abraham is the God of Islam. You lie. You claim you've been given the "green light" by "allah" to take over the world - guess what - again, you lie. We will not tolerate your shabby, 7th-century attempt to hijack Judeasm, and rewrite moral history. Islam is nothing but an attempt to rewrite God's Word, giving God's birthright to Ishmael, rather than to Isaac. It won't work. God will not be confused, and He will not be balked. You are free to say anything Fred will allow you to say (and he's pretty lenient), but the rest of us are also free to tell you just how stupid what you say is. I don't give a da$$ about your "feelings" - I want the TRUTH. Islam is a religion of suppression of the TRUTH. God - the God who created this universe - is getting really pissed at the crap coming out of the Middle East, and is working to give the place a thorough housecleaning. So sorry if that upsets your little applecart. If you don't like it, if you don't like what's happening, if you don't like how we think, touch shit. You have two choices: stay here and get whatever you deserve in response to your idiotic troll posts, or take your toys and go home - if you can. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2004-1-11 1:09:50 PM |
| #15 Why yes, Faisal, Christians can live with what the Jews may think about Jesus. Can Muslims live with the fact that Mohammed was a child molester and rapist who had these incredible revelations from Allah whenever it suited his selfish interests? |
| Posted by: ed 2004-1-11 1:02:59 PM |
| #14 Crawford: Have you read Christian and Jewish history? How they butchered millions? Oh yeah, but you don't wanna talk about it right? And while yo Gasse Katze: Let Hamza bark. Should take people like Pipes and Falwell to represent the average christian?. These twits do no not represent the Christians in general, the bigots that they are. I guess they are more cozy with zionists. BTW, do you know that the religion zionists follow thinks of Jesus as an illegitimate child of Mary. Guess you need to some comparitive study of religions. |
| Posted by: Faisal 2004-1-11 12:53:24 PM |
| #13 Raptor: When you create countries like zion on basis of religion, systematically kill millions and forcibly occupy land, do not expect those people to be nice to you and sing in your praise. What Farrukhan said was wrong. But looks like the zionists did something wrong in 1947. they created israel in the wrong place :-). |
| Posted by: Faisal 2004-1-11 12:47:18 PM |
| #12 Faisal, I have to admit that my feelings were a little bit hurt when I read that Sheik Abu Hamsa of London's Finsbury Park mosque said it was OK to kill non Muslims. "If a kafir person (non-believer) goes in a Muslim country, he is like a cow," explains Hamza. "Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law." "If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he's booty," he says on one tape. "You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don't do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It's OK." Sheik Hamsa is free to express himself, but since he is 'dealing with communities and religions he has to be careful so as not to hurt the feelings of the other'. Right Faisal? |
| Posted by: Gasse Katze 2004-1-11 12:36:08 PM |
| #11 A reading of the last 1600 years of Muslim history might explain why many in the West are less than impressed. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-1-11 11:22:08 AM |
| #10 Faisal, let's skip the last 35 years of American Foreign Policy, on the basis that throughout that time there was the very real threat of Global Thermonuclear War which leads nations to do things that in normal times would be anathema to them. The fact that you and I are still here to debate the issue is completely due to the United States actions over that period of time. Now, is it or is it not the case that there are Muslims that think that non-Muslims are fit only for dhimmitude or death? If true, why do we not hear more Muslims decrying this? We could go on and on, but the point is that people in the West have woken up to what Muslim holy men have been saying in mosques around the world for decades ("Death to Israel, Death to America, Kill the Jews") and we don't like what we hear. Politically correct speech codes and actions have meant that we weren't supposed to make comments about it in the past. This was a massive mistake on the part of the West. Unfortunately, the consequences of that mistake are going to be felt by the Muslim world unless Muslims themselves make the changes. I suggest you read the following essays to get an idea as to what the current situation is; Why we were attacked A letter from Tehran (why non-extremist Muslims should be fighting against terrorism) Arab traditionalism and finally, the nightmare scenario; The Three Conjectures Kilroy said things that some people find offensive - but they must be said. The Muslim (and by implication Arab) world, must realise that they got the attention of the West on 9/11, and the West generally speaking, doesn't like what it sees. The last people to do that were the Japanese. |
| Posted by: Tony (UK) 2004-1-11 11:10:30 AM |
| #9 faisal the fool thinks America is the great Satan,well if this is the case then why the fuc havn't havn't they nuked all your buddies in Iran yet,i mean we could have done it the day the nut case religious freaks took over that country,surly Satan would have nuked them would he not.Once again Faisal the fool digs his hole deeper. |
| Posted by: Jon Shep 2004-1-11 10:55:21 AM |
| #8 Fasil,trying to change the subject will not work. You brought"hurting feelings"into this disscusion. We are not talking about Farrakhan's stupidity, Blackhat bigotry or U.S. Foreign Policy. We are discussing'hurting feelings'and you still haven't answered why I should care about your feelings when Moslems could care less how I feel. If you insult me(hurt my feelings)I just call you an ass,if I insult Moslems(hurt their feelings)my ass can be Fatwaed. So come-on silly-boy answer the question! |
| Posted by: raptor 2004-1-11 10:47:22 AM |
| #7 Raptor: Well calling any religion 'a gutter religion' is totally un-acceptable and shows the gutter mentality of that person whether he is Farrakhan or anyone. Perhaps you should be more acquainted with Uncle Sam's foreign policy. A reading of the last 35 years of your foreign policy might be helpful as to why those blackhats call US the great Satan. this is just a hunch of course. |
| Posted by: Faisal 2004-1-11 10:26:12 AM |
| #6 yes faisal the fool of course i write what i think so do most however i don't think its Gospel material.Anyway faisal why do you constantly defend the 'religion of peace' when its so clearly warped and twisted and beyond help.Let me say again Faisal the truth hurts and you can't hack it.from now on i pronounce you 'Faisal the Fool'. |
| Posted by: Jon Shep 2004-1-11 10:09:20 AM |
| #5 "However, when one is dealing with communities and religions one has to be careful so as not to hurt the feelings of the other." Fasil,me lad. Why are you worried about"hurting feelings" I don't see you whineing about my"feelings"when some Iranian Blackhat says I am the"Great Satan"and fit only for Dhimmituide or death. What about the feelings of Jews when Louis Farrakhan(leading asshat of the Nation of Islam) called Judisiam a"Gutter Relgion". I do not understand why I should give a damn how Moslems feel when most Moslems consider me beyond contempt and deserve nothing but slavery or death. Is this a double standard(you know kinda like Moslems accuse the U.S. of doing with regards to Israelies and Palistinians)or are you just another dumb-ass bigot? |
| Posted by: raptor 2004-1-11 10:04:15 AM |
| #4 Tony: The problem is that there is a difference between opinion and truth. What a person says is what is his opinion which might be or might not be the truth. Take our friend Jon Shep here who thinks what he writes is gospel. People like him are the problem. I agree with you in that one should always speak the truth. |
| Posted by: Faisal 2004-1-11 9:52:34 AM |
| #3 oh faisel when will you open your eyes and ears and see the anti western and anti jewish comments that continuasly flood out of not only the middle east but also of our own papers here in England.Kilroy was not inciting violence as you lot are trying to suggest,he just spoke his mind (and the truth) and is perfectly intitled to do so.Just because you and a few others don't like what he said (because the truth hurts) it dosn't mean he should be locked up.Christ the amount of crap we see about americans and jews being an evil empire and do we try and have them locked up - no because we know its a load of toss and we're not as childish as your lot.Piss of to pakistan if you love the Islamic regimes so much.I suppose your hero's faisal are abdul barrie atwan and tom paulin oh and i bet you were a Saddam appeaser too,one of those fuckwits who were determined to let the biggest killer of muslims stay in power,OPEN YOUR EYES or piss off. |
| Posted by: Jon Shep 2004-1-11 8:48:12 AM |
| #2 No Faisal, that is wrong. It is far more important to say the truth than to worry about hurting someones feelings. We live in a world where reality is harsh, and nature is not always your friend. To deny life-saving truths is illogical and immoral. |
| Posted by: Tony (UK) 2004-1-11 8:29:47 AM |
| #1 I agree. Kilroy is free to express himself. However, when one is dealing with communities and religions one has to be careful so as not to hurt the feelings of the other. |
| Posted by: Faisal 2004-1-11 8:18:25 AM |