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Women Not Prohibited From Driving in Islam, Says Al-Qarni
2004-01-11
They continue climbing that snow-capped molehill...
Sheikh Ayed Al-Qarni, a prominent Saudi Islamic scholar, has said that Islam does not prohibit women from driving but that the matter must be seriously discussed. He said he preferred a woman driving her car herself rather than being driven by a stranger without a legal escort. “There is no definite text (either in the Qur’an or Sunnah) that bans women driving,” said the scholar, who is known for his moderate Islamic views, in an interview with Al-Hayat newspaper. He called for a debate on the issue by prominent scholars.
Obviouisly he must be killed...
Al-Qarni’s statement was welcomed by many Saudis, including women, who expressed their hopes that women would be allowed to drive in the Kingdom in the near future. The issue is likely to top the agenda of the next national dialogue, which will focus on women. According to Dr. Rashid Al-Rajeh, deputy chairman of the forum, 30 women will take part in the event to be held in Madinah next month.
They have to come by taxi, though...
“The prohibition of women driving is not an established religious rule,” Al-Qarni said. “If a woman is given the choice between driving a car herself or being alone in a car with a stranger, then I would choose that she drive herself,” he added. The scholar, however, does not want to give the impression that he necessarily believes that women should drive. “I personally will not allow my wife or daughters or sisters to drive. But I tell my brothers to keep the matter open for debate by a responsible scientific body,” he said. “We have to address all issues, including women driving, in a wise and rational manner,” he added. He also said that women should be given a “wider opportunity to participate fully in society, which needs to listen to what women have to say.” He called for the setting up of special courts to look into women’s grievances, such as their complaints about husbands and fathers.
As long as they can round up four pious men as witnesses, of course...
Faisal Ahmad, a postgraduate student in Islamic studies at Imam Muhammad ibn Saud Islamic University in Riyadh, said scholars must take decisions on important issues with responsibility. “Permitting and prohibiting things shouldn’t be done lightly. When one permits or prohibits something in Islam, it’s applicable to all Muslims. So when driving for women is prohibited, it means that all our Muslim sisters in the world are committing a sin when they drive,” he pointed out.
The brazen hussies!
“I cannot but help thinking that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never prohibited women from riding horses or whatever in those times...so what is the difference now? I can understand some of us do not want our sisters, daughters, mothers or wives to drive but it’s not due to their being unable to drive. In fact, many of them drive abroad, but here in the Kingdom, many men in the streets and in cars do not practice Islamic conduct.”
Posted by:Fred Pruitt

#20  Hey Faisal by your logic I can say that you're an impotent hoser and still be correct after all you'll merely try to be disingenous and say you aren't but in reality you really are. Hey Fred I say we keep this troll, we need something for entertainment these days anyway.
Posted by: Val   2004-1-11 10:09:25 PM  

#19  LOL! Faisal, as with the rest of the dregs, just lies as it suits. He picks and chooses what he will address - and leaves out any inconvenient facts. Yes, mboy, your time is precious. So many sites to troll, so much shit to spread, so many half-truths and so many lies. And oh so tiring.
Posted by: .com   2004-1-11 6:52:53 PM  

#18  If Faisal was in Saudi Arabia he would be stoned to death for visiting a Zionist website. That's if his balls aren't cut off first for supporting womens rights.
Posted by: Charles   2004-1-11 3:59:18 PM  

#17  Excuse me, "Death by 1000 mocks".
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-1-11 3:15:10 PM  

#16  Seriously Dude, stop it while you have the chance. Its only going to get worse. It is called by 1000 mocks".
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-1-11 3:01:53 PM  

#15  YEEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!! OOOOOOO, seethe Faisal, seethe.
Best regards,
Allen Ackbar
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-1-11 2:54:42 PM  

#14  Come on Faisal,try blowing that smoke up somebody else ass.
Posted by: raptor   2004-1-11 2:49:16 PM  

#13  Seems you need a GPS mboy. Otherwise your ships gonna take u down with it.

LOL. Stirred up a mosquito looks like. Consider me a Redneck-Jew-Zionist mboy.

LOl. Got a live one here! Abu TrollSlicer?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-1-11 2:46:58 PM  

#12  Dear Dot Com: I heard your bubble burst but somehow u still seem to be around. Seems like your zionist masters pay u per posting lol. Ditto for Shipman. Shipman your 'compass' seems to pointing in the wrong direction. Seems you need a GPS mboy. Otherwise your ships gonna take u down with it. Unfotunately, like you two drag queens, I don't get paid by anyone. So don't expect quick replies. I have other (better) things on my mind lol. As for your 'army of luckies' comment shipman, these 'armies' only fight women and children and I am neither.

Whatever .com has written regarding passport of a woman, divorce etc are total crap. Any woman who is not satisfied with her marriage can take what is called 'khula' ... a divorce initiated from the woman's side. And she can marry a man of her choice after that. Regarding female Imam ... are there female Rabbis and female bishops? if so, since how many years have they been 'introduced' --- does all community accept them? Of course NOT.

For all other people who replied I'd just like to say that the assertion that the islamic world is male dominated is correct. But the picture painted above by these bigots is incorrect. The truth is out there :-) and it's certainly not on CNN/FOX/NBC and all the zionist media.
Click here to see the zionists in action. Babbling on TV non-stop
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-news-monopoly-one-day-on-cable-tv.html

whitecollar redneck: zionists, jews and the white race are three different things. Don't hide your ass behind the white label.
Posted by: Faisal   2004-1-11 2:14:09 PM  

#11  Murat's taking a deep bath in that Egyptian river (you know the one, de niale) over the booms in Istambul. He probably won't be back until he's found a new topic to support.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2004-1-11 12:42:47 PM  

#10  Ship - You're right. Faisal is just stevey with much better spelling but only marginally better syntax. Added to the Ignore List.

Speaking of, where is muRat, these days? RC's still looking for an answer to his ID question, I believe!
Posted by: .com   2004-1-11 11:51:26 AM  

#9  Jimminy Crickets... is there anything worse that a slow troll? Murat at least had (has) his moments.

4.2
Posted by: Shipman   2004-1-11 11:39:35 AM  

#8  "Well Islam has not banned anything for women except for things like Adultery."
Well that's an interesting statement. No, let's make that breathtakingly false, shall we?

Let's start with the fundamentals. Does a woman have the same rights as a man? C'mon, Faisal, let's hear it. Does her word or legal testimony carry the same weight? Can she simply declare herself divorced three times and have it so? Can she have a passport and identity separate from her husband? Can she travel freely and alone? Is the penalty for all offences the same for men and women? Can she do everything a man can legally do? Can she go everywhere a man can legally go? Can she own property separately? Can she sit in council as an equal when laws and proposals are debated and participate as such? Can she become an Islamic scholar? How many female Imams are there in Islam? Does she have the same access or rights to education as a man? Can she get a job if she wants to - without anyone's permission? Will anyone hire her, assuming she's qualified, without her husband's or father's approval?

I (also) believe you to be a simple-minded troll with nothing more than lame thoughtless excuses to post. Shari'a is a conglomeration of barbaric customs dating back to the vaunted age of the Caliphate. It is an institutionalized form of total male suppression of the female, among other ancient notions. It is offensive in every aspect to anyone not likewise cast in amber. It is incumbent upon Muslims to follow it.

You're an ass - and not a very smart one, at that.
Posted by: .com   2004-1-11 11:13:43 AM  

#7  Faisal: Women are treated like shit in the muslim world because the men are such weak-willed selfish neurotic pussies. Gotta artificially subjugate and humiliate the women so they finally feel above something. Show some self-control when you see an ankle flashed and I'll consider changing my opinion. There's no shame where there's no honor.
Posted by: Frank G   2004-1-11 10:54:15 AM  

#6  Speaking for this non-jew, infidel; I wouldn't be offended if I were called a zionist. On the other hand, to be called a Frenchman......
Best regards,
Allen Ackbar
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-1-11 9:00:45 AM  

#5  Faisal, stop lying. Women are treated like shit throughout the Muslim world, and it's always justified by saying Islam requires it. Go ask the Jordanians about "honor killings", or the Sudanese about stoning rape victims.

Oh, sorry, that's right -- under Islam, someone who's raped has committed adultery.

And threatening to call someone a "Zionist" says more about you than I think you intended to reveal.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-1-11 8:55:09 AM  

#4  Careful with the mouth Faisal, there's an army of Luckies here.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-1-11 8:42:18 AM  

#3  Well Islam has not banned anything for women except for things like Adultery. The days of Wahhabi glory will soon end and that will be one happy day! Lucky bastard -- u do give yourself away.... not a muslim poster for sure. If you pose again, I will call u something worse -- a zionist !
Posted by: Faisal   2004-1-11 8:16:03 AM  

#2  There is a great story (probably true) of a guy who worked at Aramco and lived in "Little America" a.k.a. Dhahran Camp. He had a Corvette convertible which he only drove within the camp - and his "girlfriend" was one of those fiery Irish "secretaries" the Saudis loved to hire for their red hair, green eyes, and long long legs.

One day, after imbibing an unknown but significant quantity of sidiqqi (alcohol - Arabic for 'friend') they had a spat. She decided to make her point by jumping in his pride and joy and taking a spin around the camp - where women are allowed to drive by decree from Abdul Aziz hisownself. Then, for reasons unknown but prolly having to do with too much 'sid', she decided to take the Vette outside the camp - through the manned guard gate - into Dar al-Islam. Definitely a bad move.

As she approached, tires squealing, the guards freaked, lowered the barrier, and one ran out into the middle of the lane - and leveled a machine gun at her. Amazingly, she stopped. There was much hollering and screaming and gnashing of teeth. Then he showed up on foot, breathless, and talked her into letting him get behind the wheel and they reversed back into the camp and back to his apartment - to everyone's relief. The in-house mutawas arrived shortly thereafter, but she was gone. He got to spend a couple of nights with "Industrial Security" and was blacklisted - which means gone when his contract expired.

The idea that, on one side of an imaginary line she could drive the car without problems and on the other she could be gunned down like a rabid dog leaves one to ponder how insane Islam really is. The fact that Mohammed didn't ever say femalians couldn't 'drive' - whether one horse or 200 under the hood of an old Vette, isn't the point. The point is the Islamic treatment of wymyn. Obviously, Little Mo wasn't breast-fed long enough or something, and was probably jilted or cuckolded along the way. Just as obviously, his twisted paranoia and hatred and "issues" have been institutionalized for about 14 centuries.

When these "scholars" of the RoP decide to talk about something significant, such as the utter denouncement of Shari'a Law, it will be the first step ever toward sanity in the History of Islam. Until then, they should STFU then FOAD.
Posted by: .com   2004-1-11 1:08:23 AM  

#1  If women are allowed to drive I will have to reconsider my islamic conversion. And I was ready to suspend all reality. So balls back in your court Ibn Iman.
Posted by: Lucky   2004-1-11 12:22:15 AM  

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