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Indy Media Meltdown.. Or just a Soap Opera?
2004-01-10
Read about this from LGF. Funny stuff.
It is with much sadness and urgency that we inform the greater indymedia community about the ongoing crisis within the San Francisco Bay Area IMC.
But it is with great joy I report this, for the entertainment purposes.
Open Letter to the Global Indymedia Network from SF Bay Area IMC

Previously, we had attempted to resolve internal conflicts among group members by engaging in formal mediation, which ultimately resulted in an official split of the group into two and a list of specific actions upon which each side agreed. This letter is being sent out only after these agreements have not been respected by the new SF IMC collective that has split from us.

As many of you know, the SF Bay Area IMC had been using both
sf.indymedia.org and indybay.org since its inception. The SF Bay Area IMC website had been hosted on a linefeed.org server which was operated by the tech members of our collective.

Conflict

Our IMC has now split into two groups. When a few of the tech members began to have personal problems with other members of the collective, these tech members demanded a split of the collective. The resulting dynamics within the group continued to worsen. It created an environment that made it difficult to continue working together and also discouraged potential new people from joining the collective.
Maybe the whole purpose of your sites are keeping people away?

While most members of the collective opposed any kind of split, the aforementioned tech members insisted that they would split anyway, because they wanted to and because they could.

The tech members who wanted the split also had convinced the rest of the group to agree to move the site to the linefeed.org server. They claimed that this was merely a technical issue which would enable the site to run faster.
Sounds reasonable to me.

The members of the splitting group also began making viscious and false accusations about other members of the collective. This even went as far as accusing some members of being security risks and/or police informants.
Pick one. Security risk or police informant. You can’t be both.

The splitting group began to take control of the linefeed.org server that the SF Bay Area IMC website had been hosted on by kicking off all other IMC members from access to it. At the same time, they also cut off access to other local activist websites (such as the Food Not Bombs News website, liberationradio.net and passionbomb.com) that were being hosted on their linefeed.org server. These other websites were affiliated, to greater or lesser degrees, with members of SF Bay Area IMC with whom the splitting group members were in conflict.
There is a new (actually rather old) thing out called mirroring. Ever hear of it? Aaron over at Internet Haganah went from no mirror to 14 inside of three weeks and has never looked back since.

When it was clear that this internal conflict had reached a stalemate, a neutral professional mediator was hired to conduct a series of mediation meetings.
Right, true to their views, they bring in the lawyers.

The continuation of the internal crisis was effectively preventing the group from doing their work and was discouraging new people from wanting to join the group. Most collective members were fed up with having to deal with this conflict. As a result, during the mediation process, the rest of the group reluctantly agreed to split the group and further conceded to the splitting group’s demand to give up the sf.indymedia.org domain to them. Also part of the mediation agreement, the rest of the group was to keep indybay.org (which at the time still pointed to sf.indymedia.org) and also to create a new domain of
sfbay.indymedia.org. This new domain was to be used along with indybay.org once indybay.org was handed over from the splitting group.

The mediation agreement was officially finalized on November 13th, 2003. Since that time, members of the new sf.indymedia group have backtracked on their agreement in multiple ways. The indybay.org DNS was supposed to have been handed over by the Monday following the final mediation meeting, November 17th. But this did not occur until over a month later, in mid-December. And although this "handing over" has resulted in indybay.org now pointing to the correct site, they continue to refuse to hand over the indybay.org domain ownership, which they still control. Also, immediately after the mediation, they locked out the group that was now sfbay.indymedia.org (indybay.org) from access to sf.indymedia.org. In combination, these actions left the rest of the group without a website for over a month.
Damn them! Nothing to laugh at for a whole month!

During this period, the new sf.indymedia group has been hiding posts of news stories to the sf.indymedia.org newswire (such as an announcement about a live streaming coverage of the recent mayoral election by Enemy Combatant Radio) made by members of the indybay.org group, effectively censoring the indybay.org group.
What goes around comes around, I guess.

The new sf.indymedia group has also refused to place on their website a link with an explanation about the split, as both groups agreed to do as part of the mediation agreement. Nevertheless, the indybay.org group put up the explanation and link immediately after the site was up, after the DNS switch. Also, members of the new sf.indymedia group have been engaging in tactics of doublespeak by accusing members of indybay.org of precisely the kinds of acts that they themselves have been responsible for, such as lying, manipulating, and threatening.
Betcha both sides in fact have been doing this.

In sf.indymedia.org’s recent application for status as a new imc that they submitted to the New IMC Working Group, they stated that their "supporting groups were too numerous to mention." While we didn’t speak up then, since we had agreed in good faith during mediation not to stop their new IMC process, we now feel, in light of their actions, that they should be asked why they failed to list those groups and to show who really aligns with them. As far as we know, local activists and groups and members of other IMCs who are finding out about the split do not support them nor their actions.
Uh oh. They are really talking about splitting activist alliances. Like splitting garbage.

List of violations of the mediation agreement by the new
sf.indymedia.org group:

1. The sf.indymedia.org group has refused to put up a blurb and links about the split as agreed to during mediation.

2. idymedia.org group failed to switch the DNS for indybay.org until over a month after the mediation agreement.
Moot

3. Before the indybay.org DNS was eventually switched over, a member of sf.indymedia.org pointed indybay.org to a non-existent IP address, causing many people to stop using indybay.org.

3. Immediately after the mediation was over, a member of sf.indymedia.org withdrew half of the money from the imc checking account, and then refused to negotiate the price for stickers and t-shirts advertising the sf.indymedia.org web site address. According to the agreement, the groups would split the money in the bank account after sfbay was reimbursed for the mutually agreed upon price for the stickers and t-shirts, and sf.indymedia was reimbursed for pieces of equipment that sfbay wanted to purchase.
Soo, who splits the crack you all use?

4. The sf.indymedia.org group has deleted the SF-IMC email list and the Enemy Combatant Radio (ECR) email list without warning, before anyone had the chance to back up three and a half years of work and contacts contained in the lists’ archives.
Holy Hell. No backups? ARe you kidding me. In the heart of high tech America, no one thinks to make backups?

5. The sf.indymedia.org group has gone against the agreement by
redirecting aliases to their new email addresses.

List of actions by the new sf.indymedia.org group that violates the indymedia Principles of Unity

1. Members of the linefeed.org server (which now hosts
sf.indymedia.org, other IMCs and activist websites) have sabotaged local activist websites hosted by them that were connected to indybay.org.

2. The sf.indymedia.org group has been repeatedly hiding and deleting legitimate posts to their newswire by local activists whom they see as being connected to indybay.org.
WHat goes around comes around.

The end result of all of this is that techies with positions of power, and a personal vendetta within an IMC collective, have effectively hijacked complete control of the website from the rest of the collective.
Remember that word, hijack, socialists.

We believe that the behaviors displayed by the members of the new sf.indymedia group/linefeed.org are offensive and unacceptable, and that they have abused their powers as tech people within the IMC network to manipulate and bully others to get their way.

Proposed Resolution

We, the undersigned, request the following from the global tech working group and other IMCs in the network:

1. The ownership of the indybay.org domain should be handed over to the current members of indybay.org immediately, and

2. sf.indymedia.org should immediately put up texts and links about the split on their website as they should have already done as part of the agreement.

If both of the above requests are not met immediately, then we ask that:

1. The new sf.indymedia.org’s status as an IMC should be revoked, and

2. The current members of the new sf.indymedia.org should be denied access and control to the sf.indymedia.org domain, and

3. in the event that the new sf.indymedia.org group should lose control of their domain, that it be handed over to the current members of indybay.org instead of being destroyed, since it is an established community resource, and

4. the money that paid for the mediation should be refunded to the current members of indybay.org.

We also request that all IMC websites update their links to the San Francisco Bay Area as http://www.indybay.org.

We are hereby challenging the legitimacy of the new sf.indymedia.org group for violating its own Principles of Unity by their abusive and intimidating behaviors.
Right, they reserve that behavior for conservatives

We want to stress that we believe this is an urgent, critical matter that is in the interest of the entire Indymedia network. What has happened here with the SF Bay Area IMC seems to be quite unprecedented within the history of the IMC Network, and we hope that we can depend on the support from all IMCers to help resolve this conflict and maintain accountability within the indymedia network.
Actually I believe that this will happen to all groups who subscribe to socilaist ideology. You all are just the first.

In solidarity,

Sarah Olsen - San Francisco Bay Area IMC, SF Liberation Radio
Lisa Sousa - San Francisco Bay Area IMC, AK Press
Mark Burdett - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Pauline - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Sunny - Enemy Combatant Radio, San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Zachary Ogren - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Wayne Wong - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Peter Maiden - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Karen Martin - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Jino Choi - Revolutionary Anti-authoritarians of Color, SF Bay Area IMC
A. Mark Liiv - Whispered Media
Ali
Dan Mattson - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Pod - Enemy Combatant Radio, Whispered Media
Kevin Keating
Matt Fitt - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Jeff Taylor - Whispered Media
Lani Riccobuono - Enemy Combatant Radio, San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Lauren A. - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
The San Francisco Bay Area Independent Media Center collective can be contacted at sfbay at indymedia.org.
They can be laughed at here, at LGF, and at many other fine sites...
Posted by:badanov

#13  At 9:22PM, MST, LGF is reporting that Arizona Indymedia is down, Israel Indymedia is down, and "Palestine" Indymedia is down. Maybe it's a virus, and all the Indymedia sites are catching it? Wonder if it's fatal...
Posted by: Old Patriot   2004-1-10 11:15:53 PM  

#12  "has been hiding posts of news stories ...effectively censoring the indybay.org group."

Whaaat!? I thought it wasn't censoring to hide posts? Or at least thats what they always tell anybody who asks why their more centrist stories get "hidden".

As to the heart of the matter, I used to run a MUD (ok, ok, I'm a geek from before IE, UO and EQ). Well, I was the programmer for the MUD, and there was a non-technical person who "ran" the mud who had a completely different vision of what the place needed to be. Strangely, I got tired of working my butt off and having no say in the "direction", so I took the MUD with me to a new server where I called the shots. And, well, he got all bent out of shape about it, just like the "non tech" members in this situation did, down to threats of lawsuits, etc.
The non-tech person who "ran" the MUD was, not suprisingly, from San Francisco.

Guess the moral of the story is: if you don't own the equipment, don't do any work, and really don't contribute to the wellbeing of an endeavor, you can't rule like a tyrant without the risk maybe discovering you just don't have the power you think you do. Oh yeah, and communism sucks. ;)
Posted by: RussSchultz   2004-1-10 9:48:35 PM  

#11  That would explain Vandenburg's earlier report today of a giant alien Mother Ship hovering over San Francisco Bay looking for its errant, squabbling Solcialist children!
Posted by: Jack Deth   2004-1-10 8:21:48 PM  

#10  Entertaining to watch.

Face it. Man is not wired to be part of a 'collective'. All such attempts to force him into
that type of mold is doomed to fail.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-1-10 4:43:22 PM  

#9   JFM,you noticed the same thing I did.The split was not between two ideological factions,but between those who talk and those who actually do the work.The arrogant attitude of the talkers could be enough to drive "tech members" off,even if everyone agrees on politics.
Wonder if informer charge was a couple of angry members telling police of "tech members" hacking activities-anon of course.
Posted by: Stephen   2004-1-10 3:40:12 PM  

#8  When a few of the tech members began to have personal problems with other members of the collective

Could it be that the engineers and programmers, whose job requires a functionning brain, no longer could stand the leftist jihadis?
Posted by: JFM   2004-1-10 3:25:42 PM  

#7  Jeez... it's like watching Stalinists and Trotskyites battling it out. Or obscure Chinese factions scrambling for control during the Cultural Revolution.

When it comes to a zest for internecine bloodletting, nothing can match a group of ardent Leftists. If they could do it, half of them would put the other half in concentration camps.
Posted by: Dave D.   2004-1-10 2:40:19 PM  

#6  When a few of the tech members began to have personal problems with other members of the collective

Never happen here. Rantburg is run by Tyrant and enforced by the AOS, backedup by a meritocracy.

In short, Hive Bad, Steve Good.

Posted by: Shipman   2004-1-10 2:31:19 PM  

#5  Every time I see a list of people holding moronic views in the Bay Area, I cringe lest I find a friend on it. When I worked there, I exchanged only the most tepid of political views with my coworkers. So I don't know if any of my friends were outright political loons. I suppose if they were, they wouldn't have been able to keep from showing it.

Another bullet dodged---no one I know is on the list.
Posted by: Angie Schultz   2004-1-10 2:30:46 PM  

#4  And yet they think they could run their world...
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-1-10 1:53:18 PM  

#3  Jeez, what a bunch of drama queens. Other than the score or so morons who signed this missive "in solidarity", does anyone really give a sh*t?
I guess it's just a matter of time before one of them grabs power and starts sticking icepicks in their enemies' ears.
Posted by: 4thInfVet   2004-1-10 1:31:33 PM  

#2  Mr Burns: Hows the takeover of IndyMedia going Smithers?
Smithers: Well, the Chinese site were all arrested and imprisoned. The Seattle site has collapsed faster than the Seahawks. And half the San Francisco site has become Libertarians.
Mr Burns: And the other half?
Smithers: Joined the Dean Campaign.
Mr Burns: Excellent...


Posted by: Charles   2004-1-10 1:19:23 PM  

#1   Couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people ... ;)
Posted by: Dan Darling   2004-1-10 1:11:55 PM  

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