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| 2003-12-16 | |
| EFL President Bush yesterday ruled out granting "blanket amnesty" to as many as 12 million immigrants illegally in the United States, but said he supports a policy that benefits American business owners and immigrant job seekers. a new bracero program would work if the Unions don’t F&*k it up "We need to have an immigration policy that helps match any willing employer with any willing employee," Mr. Bush said in a news conference yesterday. "It makes sense that that policy go forward. And we’re in the process of working that through now so I can make a recommendation to the Congress," said Mr. Bush about the politically dicey issue — made more urgent by his planned attendance at the Summit of the Americas in Monterrey, Mexico, next month. But the president reiterated a stance he has enunciated often: "This administration is firmly against blanket amnesty." Memo to Ridge - "Clear your statements with the Whitehouse or STFU!" The president did not spell out his preferred policy. A handful of options are floating around Capitol Hill, including one co-sponsored by several Republicans who propose giving legal residency to illegal immigrants through work. Senior White House officials have expressed support for such a temporary-worker program that would let some workers become legal immigrants, but so far the administration has not backed any single piece of legislation. Yesterday, a White House official said Mr. Bush’s comments represent no change from previous administration policy. The president’s comments come a week after Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge expressed support for giving legal status to immigrants. In Miami, Mr. Ridge said: "The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal status some way, but also as a country decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it." Before the September 11 attacks, the administration had begun talks with Mexican President Vicente Fox about ways to legalize more than 3 million undocumented Mexicans living in the United States. The dialogue ended after the attacks.
Mainly because Vicente fails to back us at critical junctures yet tries to organize the 12 million illegals as a voting force in the U.S. - he’s no friend of ours While the two leaders met briefly in Bangkok at an international economic summit in October, lending an air of optimism to the new talks, relations soured again yesterday as Mexico accused the United States of violating international law over its treatment of 52 Mexican nationals on death row. In a court filing, Mexico asked the World Court in The Hague to order the United States to retry the Mexicans, saying those arrested were not told of their right to consular help. Arrrggghhh... was the conculate gonna help their slaughtered victims? Bastards The last major legalization program in 1986, when more than 2 million illegal immigrants were granted blanket amnesty, was a failure. The move did not stem illegal immigration, but instead created an avenue for millions of new immigrants to legally enter the country to visit newly legal relatives. Many illegally overstayed their temporary visas. Duh... any new talk of an amnesty will bring a similar flood across hoping to be feet dry by the time the amnesty goes in effect - Ridge should be smart enough to know that With that lesson in mind, top Republican lawmakers are proposing legislation that would impose a $1,500 fine on illegal immigrants before they were granted legal residency in the United States. Those illegal entrants also would have to line up behind workers who entered the United States under a guest-worker program as they sought legal residency. "If you do not deal with both pieces of it — those people who are here in an undocumented status, as well as those future want-to-be immigrants — all you do is create the next wave of immigrants who will come into the country illegally," Rep. Jim Kolbe of Arizona, one of three Republican authors of a comprehensive immigration-reform bill, said last week. | |
| Posted by:Frank G |
| #11 Five year moratorium on immigration, minimum. No more people in until we figure who we got here and who needs to go. Also, for every illegal we catch and deport, they get 3 convicts from our penal system. Fuck Vicente Fox. |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2003-12-16 9:18:11 PM |
| #10 Shipman, NO. That was then, this is WWIV. We've had Islamofascist killers declare war on us. Will they take advantage of our almost non-existent border security to get in and strike us with a dirty bomb or suitcase nuke? The answer is: THEY MAY ALREADY BE HERE. |
| Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro 2003-12-16 8:10:52 PM |
| #9 Okay... fire at will. I believe in arrival of the fittest. If these guys can beat the border patrol, beat the system and collect from the establishment then all I want is their play book. The only reason my family didn't arrive as legals was because the Spanish holders in Florida didn't give a damn about a few runaway celts. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2003-12-16 7:01:01 PM |
| #8 O.P. I agree for the most part but think it should extend to all illegals -- not just mexicans but central / south americans, canadians, chinese, englishmen, french, etc... Also round up the existing illegal aliens and deport them by the cheapnest means. If this means placing them temporarily in 'detention camps' until they can be shipped by cattle car then so be it. Note that this is not based on RACE (like the Jews in Germany and Japanese in USA during WWII) but on their legal status -- i.e. they are arrested and are being legally detained. They also face a lifetime ban unless they can prove they entered legally and then the normal banning procedure applies. A few hundred fully armed predators patrolling our borders (southern and northern) would help. And you only grant these special visas after a through background check and personal interview. Also these people are 1) not allowed to adjust their immigration status based on marriage. 2) Children born of of these people (either parent) in the United States do not get automatic citizenship. People who defy federal laws (i.e. local and state officals) by refusing to 'report' illegals will be criminally charged for aiding and abeding(sp?). |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2003-12-16 3:54:59 PM |
| #7 OP, while your solution sounds severe at first blush, I think you have the thing nailed. All I would add is that we need to do exactly the same on the Canadian border, too. We're at war and it's just too *dead* easy for Islamist killers to simply walk across the border for them not to do it. Only a matter of time. Let's not get fooled again...Anyone remember how upset President Bush was (as well as the rest of us) when Mohammed Atta's visa (and one of the other 9/11 murderer's) came through 6 months after 9/11? |
| Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro 2003-12-16 3:44:42 PM |
| #6 The flood of Mexicans into the United States is not going to stop until it stops being a major political program of the Government of Mexico. Unfortunately, along with them comes a flood of others, some far from benign to the people and government of the United States. I propose a change in our border policy: The first 100 yards of United States territory should be cleared of everything, graded as flat as possible, with a two-lane paved highway running 30 yards inside the border. There should be an eight-foot electrified chain-link fence ten feet on either side of that highway, with another chain link fence 50 yards inside the highway. Between the two inside fences should be a very DENSE minefield. The highway should be patrolled frequently (but randomly) by Stryker vehicles and Longbow Apaches, with orders to shoot to kill. Turn responsibility for the entire southern border over to the military, except at approved checkpoints. Back this policy up with a blanket deportation order for all Mexicans who cannot prove they're in the country legally, regardless of how long they've been here. At the same time, close down ALL the Mexican consulates, and limit Mexican diplomatic presence in the United States to Washington DC and New York (for those assigned to the United Nations, only). If anyone, on either side of the border, attempts to sabotage these efforts, the US/Mexico trade is restricted by 10% FOR EACH OFFENSE. Sooner or later, Mexico will get the idea they cannot take back "Aztlan", and cannot win in a war with the United States. They will also learn they need to deal with their internal problems, instead of trying to export them to the United States. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2003-12-16 3:22:24 PM |
| #5 I would support a new Bracero program as long as there are decent safeguards and checks. So would I, but with an extra requirement: the government bureaucracy now entrusted with immigration begins to perform its duty by actively finding and deporting illegal aliens. Surprise workplace inspections with ample resources would be an excellent start. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2003-12-16 2:51:22 PM |
| #4 Three step program I would support. (1) Expand the foreign worker program to allow more legal immigrants into the country and to ensure the law protects them and that they pay taxes. (2) Any illegal can gain legal residency if they report themselves as illegals. This allows them to get a greencard and live legally in the US but they are forbidden from ever becoming US citizens and their children and decendents are also forbidden.. (3) Any illegal caught crossing the border, or in any other way will be kicked back into Mexico and they are forbidden from ever becoming US citizens and their children and decendents are also forbidden.. It's as simple as that. I think we'd find a lot of illegals going back to Mexico in the hopes of coming over legally per step 1. I think we'd find a lot of those that just want to work for the money tand not become citizens turning themselves in per step 2. And step 3 would cause the constant flow to slow down to a trickle. |
| Posted by: ruprecht 2003-12-16 12:56:25 PM |
| #3 So this means that Illegal aliens (i.e. people who have no regard for the rule of law and are, by definition lawbreakers) could 'buy' residancy by paying off a $1500 fine? What about those people who have been waiting for years in order to immigrate legally? Can they simply pay a 1500 fine as well? OIC.... Mr Ridge isn't finished pissing on them yet! As for Fox, hasn't he stated what he plans on winning California back to Mexico without a shot being fired by using the Illegal Alien vote? I would support a new Bracero program as long as there are decent safeguards and checks. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2003-12-16 12:10:08 PM |
| #2 The unions, led by Cesar Chavez, destroyed the last Bracero program. Rest assured, they would do it again. |
| Posted by: Tancred 2003-12-16 11:56:34 AM |
| #1 conculate? I've gotta get some coffee.... |
| Posted by: Frank G 2003-12-16 9:58:36 AM |