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Britain
Mosque Leaders Quash Terrorist Fears
2003-12-05
The police and members of the Muslim community have been quick to quash fears of terrorist activity among Muslims in Dudley following yesterday's arrests. One of the men arrested, Usman Choudhary, was the son of Dudley Mosque leader Ghulam Choudhary.
Comes as a surprise, doesn't it?
Dudley North police commander, chief superintendent Dennis Hodson, said the arrests under anti-terrorism legislation were not linked to those elsewhere in the country but were the result of an on-going local enquiry. He said: "Mr Choudhary and other prominent members of the Muslim community have given their full co-operation and re-affirmed their total abhorrence of terrorist activities."
"Who? Us? Oh, certainly not, infidel dog..."
Mr Hodson said he had worked with the Muslim community in Dudley for many years and said the majority were law-abiding. And he said in the current climate he urged residents to work together as this provides the greatest safeguard against people who want to disrupt our way of life. Khurshid Ahmed chairman of Dudley Muslim Association said members of the Muslim community were proud to be Muslims and citizens of the UK. He said: "We reject totally those who support terrorism and will counter it with determination. We assure the community there is no Mosque or individual who supports terrorism either financially or otherwise and if we find anyone who has links to such activities we will bring them to the notice of the relevant authorities." In total three men from Dudley were arrested.
And none of them, not one of them, is a supporter of terrorism. They're freedumb fighters. And don't forget it.
Posted by:Fred Pruitt

#8   you can't bomb every country in the world

Sounds like a challenge to me Aris ;)
Posted by: Shipman   2003-12-5 6:59:57 PM  

#7  Jarhead> "Wait a minute, my bad. I think the bombing thing was actually the right call on that one. "

Occassionally bombing is the right thing to do.

But since I don't believe you are suggesting that the EU should bomb Turkey rather than just impose a fine on it, your comment remains irrelevant and idiotic. :-)

See, dear Jarhead, you can't bomb every country in the world. Even for America that still remains a last resort.

So unless your argument is that every human right violation in the world should just be ignored, until the nations in question become genocidal enough that they merit a bombing...

You talk about Milosevic? Let's also talk about the new Serbia-Montenegro and Croat leadership and all the war-criminals extradited from there.

You can't solve every problem with a sledgehammer.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2003-12-5 6:05:43 PM  

#6  "This is the European way of aiding human rights in neighbouring nations. Less drastic and less quick than bombing them to the stone age, but I believe that in the end it provides a more solid and more widespread progress,"

-Just like Kosovo. Wait a minute, my bad. I think the bombing thing was actually the right call on that one. Milosevic could've felt "the slow and steady pressure" by maybe 2017.......
Posted by: Jarhead   2003-12-5 3:01:12 PM  

#5  "the European court of Justice fined Turkey with 12.500 Euro for convicting the ultra radical sect leader Müslüm Gündüz to two years of prison for inciting hatred and religious violence in private madrassas,"

Hmm... I admit I've not studied the case myself but this link I found here: http://www.turkishdailynews.com/old_editions/01_07_97/semih.htm

says
"Muslum Gunduz was being sought for some time by the police after the Higher Court of Appeals upheld a previous two year prison conviction against him for defaming Ataturk."

There's a difference between conviction for "defaming" a historical figure, and conviction for incitement to hatred, isn't there?

---------

.com> "but it was obviously NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS since Turkey is NOT part of the EU."

Not so obviously, .com. Turkey is not a full member of the EU, but she does have association agreements with us -- I've not studied them in length but if accepting the decisions of the European Court is part of those agreements, then obviously it's "our business".

This is the European way of aiding human rights in neighbouring nations. Less drastic and less quick than bombing them to the stone age, but I believe that in the end it provides a more solid and more widespread progress, the slow and steady pressure of institutions like the European Court...

"Mebbe the Euros were confused, too, and thought you were picking on a folk-dancing troupe"

I'm not so sure they weren't. The link Murat provided says "Sometimes, the members of the Aczi-Mendi Group organise trips to the different cities by wearing their special costumes. " If that's the worst they have done, that they 'wear their special costumes'...
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2003-12-5 12:36:35 PM  

#4  Ohh! Did yew read this story? We have pictures of dese dervishes! Very nice pictures, Olga.

Yah, Bjorn, ist terrible what they do to these folks dancer people.

We shuud write the letter of the editor! We shuud!

Yah! Yah!
Posted by: .touristers   2003-12-5 8:46:05 AM  

#3  Uh oh... Ethel, my pills! I agree with muRat. 12.5K Euros isn't much for a country, but it was obviously NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS since Turkey is NOT part of the EU. And only marginally part of Europe.

Funny, the word "dervish" in common American English usage must've lost 99% of its original connotation. Now I would say it generally conjurs up a colorful folkish visual of a man in a red fez, colorful vest, and white skirt-like bottom doing ballet-like spins where the head fixes on the same point with each rotation. Very touristy image. No turbans or sceptres or black robes - and certainly nothing Izzoid about it. Mebbe the Euros were confused, too, and thought you were picking on a folk-dancing troupe. Boy, that culture shit can really be confusing. ;-)
Posted by: .com   2003-12-5 8:33:56 AM  

#2  Oops sorry, Fred could you remove the above.


Sometimes one does really wonder the European anti-terror standards, the European court of Justice fined Turkey with 12.500 Euro for convicting the ultra radical sect leader Müslüm Gündüz to two years of prison for inciting hatred and religious violence in private madrassas, on the verdict of acting against the freedom of speech!!!!!

HREF="http://www.teror.gen.tr/english/turkey/islamic/groups/aczimendi.html"> Müslüm Gündüz

Aczi-Mendi Group. Radical Islamic group. Founded by Müslüm Gündüz in Elazið in 1985. The meaning of Aczi-Mendi is the "Sect of the Helpless Servants of Allah". All the group's members dress in the same style, with black robes, turbans, and baggy trousers, and they carry sceptres. They hold their meetings in Elazið and in dervish lodges, which they have established in different cities. Dervish convents in Elazið, Gaziantep and Izmir have been closed by court order.
Posted by: Murat   2003-12-5 4:09:40 AM  

#1  We assure the community there is no Mosque or individual who supports terrorism either financially or otherwise ...thank you, thank you very much....anyone here from Birmingham?

is this guy a standup comic or what??
Posted by: B   2003-12-5 3:49:01 AM  

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