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| Whoops - Another False Quote Exposed |
| 2003-12-02 |
| Here’s more proof that the anti-war movement can be funnier than a truckload of undocumented baloney. Illinois state historian Thomas Schwartz hopes the Internet site will draw scholars checking the credibility of Lincoln quotes as well as curious browsers. Not all the Lincoln stories and documents they use are real, he said. "People will use them anyway, because it’s become part of a mythic image of Lincoln that we all feel comfortable with and that has just become something so familiar," Schwartz said. "We don’t want to give it up." Maybe that’s understandable. After all, Lincoln himself said, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time." Well, actually, he didn’t say that. Allegedly part of a September 1858 speech delivered in Clinton, the sentence does not show up in the text printed in the local newspaper, Schwartz said. The best evidence available comes from two people recollecting about 1910 that he actually said it in 1856 in Bloomington, in his famous "Lost Speech" — so-called because no transcript of it was taken. Here’s another fake Lincoln quote: "There’s no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There’s nothing good in war except its ending." Attributed to Lincoln by anti-war protesters earlier this year, the statement actually was made by an actor portraying Lincoln in an episode of "Star Trek." |
| Posted by:Super Hose |
| #7 #3 That episode would be "The Savage Curtain", which is one of the stinkier Star Trek episodes in existence (and one of the last of the Original Series). Morphing rock-beings force Kirk and Spock to land and, with rock-beings morphed into the shapes of Lincoln and Surak (the father of Vulcan logic), fight four rock-beings morphed into the shapes of legendary bad guys. If I recall correctly, the mindset voiced by "Lincoln" gets him and "Surak" killed. The moral of the episode (ironically, in this context) is that evil is defeated when directly confronted by good I remember that episode. It presented the Klingon Kahless the Unforgettable as one of the great villains of all time, which is ironic in that, twenty years or so later, ST:TNG did a 180-degree turn and portrayed Kahless not only as a great hero, but as the savior of the latter-day Klingon Empire. BTW, did anyone ever figure out how to explain the differences in appearance of the Klingons in TOS and TNG? |
| Posted by: Joe 2003-12-2 7:12:49 PM |
| #6 That's a broad brush... but it sure as hell seems to be true. They're either ignorant of history, or revising history to fit their agenda, which means they're liars. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're just morons. |
| Posted by: everythingilearned 2003-12-2 5:43:11 PM |
| #5 Most leftists and 'peace protesters' aren't very familiar with history That's a broad brush... but it sure as hell seems to be true. And we know that those that fail to learn their history are usually doing squat in practical math. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2003-12-2 3:17:39 PM |
| #4 the statement actually was made by an actor portraying Lincoln in an episode of "Star Trek." This isn't a surprise. Most leftists and 'peace protesters' aren't very familiar with history. Other than what they get spoonfed by the conspiracy nuts and dipshits like chomsky, they've learned everything they know from watching movies (duuuude, books are lame spark it up!). Oliver Stone and mike moore are considered 'graduate studies'. |
| Posted by: everythingilearned 2003-12-2 12:28:17 PM |
| #3 That episode would be "The Savage Curtain", which is one of the stinkier Star Trek episodes in existence (and one of the last of the Original Series). Morphing rock-beings force Kirk and Spock to land and, with rock-beings morphed into the shapes of Lincoln and Surak (the father of Vulcan logic), fight four rock-beings morphed into the shapes of legendary bad guys. If I recall correctly, the mindset voiced by "Lincoln" gets him and "Surak" killed. The moral of the episode (ironically, in this context) is that evil is defeated when directly confronted by good. |
| Posted by: Angie Schultz 2003-12-2 11:37:27 AM |
| #2 So, uh, does that mean they should draft Roddenberry's script writers for Campaign 2004? Mebbe the anti-war people can goto http://www.roddenberry.com and study the "ideologies" espoused by the various scripts. Something semi-constructive for them to do. Regards quotes, I think David Hannum (a banker) covered the anti crowd (ISM / ANSWER dupes and tools) with "There's a sucker born every minute." No, it wasn't PT Barnum. It was from the Cardiff Giant Hoax: http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html My personal favorite: Falsely attributed quote from Oscar Wilde on his deathbed: "Either this wallpaper goes, or I do!" Nope. Didn't say it. Would've been ubercool, but no joy. |
| Posted by: .com 2003-12-2 5:00:59 AM |
| #1 My penchant for mispelling is almost as comical as quoting the Abe Lincoln that appeared on Star Trek. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2003-12-2 4:58:20 AM |