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Afghanistan
Karzai govt takes a leaf from Taliban book
2003-11-21
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In a surprising move, President Hamid Karzai’s government has stopped thousands of young Afghan married women from attending school. The move, according to government sources, is aimed at discouraging fraternisation between girls and married students which can lead to ‘discussion on sex’.
Ohfergawdsake.
The affected women have called the development ‘shocking’ and a ‘big blow’ to female education. Interestingly, one of the charges against the ousted Taliban regime was the way it denied women their basic rights and freedoms, including the right to education. “After the Taliban regime fell, we thought the new dispensation would give women more opportunities to exploit their potential. That dream remains unfulfilled,” says an Afghan woman in Peshawar. TFT sources in Kabul disclosed last week that a mid-70s law stating that married women cannot attend high school was re-enacted in September this year by President Karzai’s government and the education ministry in Kabul has ordered strict implementation of the rule across the country. Deputy Education Minister Sayed Ahmad Sarwari did not know the exact number of women who were expelled, but sources estimate the decision will “likely impact more than two to three thousands married students”. What makes the decision worse is the fact that in the Afghan society most girls are married off at a very young age. “This means the majority of them will be unable to get high-school education,” says an observer.
The Northern Alliance actually contains Islamist factions that could be considered moderate only in comparison to the Taliban. Although Ahmed Shah Masood was a pragmatist, his Jamaat-e-Islami party developed out of the Muslim Brotherhood, and many of its members are fundamentalists, including it’s leader, Rabbani. Their main dispute with the Taliban was over ethnicity and power politics, rather than on treatment of women.
The proponents of the move defend it by saying that it is only meant to “protect unmarried girls from hearing explicit details about sex from their married classmates”. The opponents say by this logic married men must also be banned from attending school.
That sounds fair, but fair isn't a concept that does well in Muslimdom...
An Afghan woman TFT spoke with was livid. “And what would stop an unmarried woman from knowing about sex within the family circle or through friends outside the school. Would the government prevent girls from fraternizing with married women even at home?” she asks, adding: “This is just incredible.”
Prob'ly. They want that wedding night to be a surprise. It's kinda like the old Benny Hill routine, where he wakes up with his wife pounding him with a shoe:

"Wot the 'ell is that for?"
"That's for bein' a lousy lover!"

Whereupon he proceeds to beat the little woman with a shoe.

"Wot the 'ell was that for?"
"'At's for knowin' the difference!"

Strong feelings of inadequacy, anyone? Little Pee-pee syndrome, perhaps?
After the Taliban were overthrown, one of the first signs that the authorities were putting the past behind them was the reopening of girls’ schools. While the law on married women remained, it was not implemented while the liberal-minded Rasool Amin was the education minister. President Karzai did not pick him up after the cabinet was reshuffled in June 2002 following the Loya Jirga. The ministry is now run by a leader of the Northern Alliance. While western NGOs try to better the plight of Afghanistan’s lost generation of pupils, setting up literacy classes for girls who could not attend schools, religious leaders at places have banned these classes. “They want to keep married women totally illiterate,” says an observer. Maulvi Abdul Haq, one of the clerics in Kabul, insists that women should be denied education “because Allah says in the Holy Quran that women should stay at home and not expose their beauty.” He added: “At the literacy centres, male strangers visiting the classes may see the girls and that is not permitted.”
Posted by:Paul Moloney

#19  The fact that the West seems to have remembered Afghanistan exists for this long is encouraging. The process of forcing Afghan legal reform will take at least five years, metropolitan social cange will take a decade and social change in the hinterland will take a genertion or two. I have no qualification to make this assertion.
Posted by: Super Hose   2003-11-21 4:51:27 PM  

#18  It would come as no surprise if the all the cars over there only moved in reverse.....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2003-11-21 3:34:39 PM  

#17  Remember that Afghanistan has been clannish and into this culture for hundreds of years. There are alot of switchboards to rewire. It is frustrating to us as westerners to see such behavior perpetuating itself. Alot of the people do not have the tools to jump with both feet into the western ideas of equality of women, representative govt, etc etc.

"I want immediate gratification, and I want it now."
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2003-11-21 1:37:57 PM  

#16  democracy doesn't drive culture; culture drive democracy.
Heading in the right direction, but not quite on centerline yet. Culture establishes the basis of Government (the purpose of government is to sustain the culture of the majority). Change the culture, and you affect the purpose of government (hearts and minds thinking). We're trying to change a culture of oppression and murder into one recognizing the rights of others to live as they choose. The closer we come to that ideal, the more likely a democratically based government will have of being successful. The Iraqi people are tired of the foot on their neck, are happy to have that foot removed, and aren't ready at the moment to let someone else put their foot where Saddam's was. Once the benefits of a representative republic trickle down to all the people, the less likely they'll let another demagogue gain power over them.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2003-11-21 1:23:30 PM  

#15  "Reliable source?"

Friday Times is an island of sweet reason in the sea of Pak ranting journalism.
Posted by: Fred   2003-11-21 11:05:18 AM  

#14  "democracy doesn't drive culture; culture drive democracy"

Im not sure the aove policy really reflects the cultural beliefs of the majority of Afghans. I guess it depends on how assertive Afghan women really are, especially outside of Kabul. Everything ive read over the last few months indicates they are quite eager to be educated, and would take this poorly.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2003-11-21 10:44:09 AM  

#13  Did anyone expect modernization overnight? The real test is whether they keep the terrorists out. That is what we paid for.
Posted by: Spot   2003-11-21 10:40:18 AM  

#12  Remember, you can only rent Afghanis, you can't ever really count on them

Well, if the coalition "rented" Afghanis, it's not clear we've paid our invoices on time. Karzai has begged for money, help and a clear signal that the West is dedicated to helping him construct a functioning liberal democracy there. How much response has he actually received? Not all that much .....
Posted by: rkb   2003-11-21 10:27:10 AM  

#11  New and Improved Taliban-LiteTM--now with fresh lemony scent!
Posted by: Dar   2003-11-21 9:40:17 AM  

#10  Remember, you can only rent Afghanis, you can't ever really count on them.
Posted by: Douglas De Bono   2003-11-21 9:37:31 AM  

#9  democracy doesn't drive culture; culture drive democracy.
Posted by: rawsnacks   2003-11-21 9:15:47 AM  

#8  if it is true, the cure is democracy. Push afghan to real elections, with women voting.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2003-11-21 8:24:53 AM  

#7  "TFT sources in Kabul disclosed last week "

reliable source?

Posted by: liberalhawk   2003-11-21 8:21:43 AM  

#6  Hope the coalition stomps on this with both feet.
Posted by: Raptor   2003-11-21 6:45:55 AM  

#5  There is no hope.
Posted by: Rafael   2003-11-21 1:54:13 AM  

#4  Another point is that the EU and others reneged their own signature and never sent the economic help they had promised by treaty. Meaning that it is Saudi Arabia and similar who have filled the gap, more exactly 10% of the gap, but enough to to send Afghanistan backwards
Posted by: JFM   2003-11-21 1:50:21 AM  

#3  Who do we hit for this? Is there any hope of talking or beating sense into these people?
Posted by: Tokyo Taro   2003-11-21 1:49:30 AM  

#2  I actually think that Karzai's views towards women are pretty progressive, although it's hard to be sure, but at the very least the people around him seem to want Afghanistan to stay a backwards hellhole.
Posted by: Paul Moloney   2003-11-21 12:30:37 AM  

#1  Idiots.

"Hello Pres. Bush? Yes, Karzai here, well, uh... We've decided that modernization isn't really our bag. So we're going to keep our girls stupid and see if we can get back to the good old dark ages again. Thanks for all your help."
Posted by: joe   2003-11-21 12:27:02 AM  

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