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| Toronto Muslim clerics want apology from U.S. |
| 2003-09-14 |
| Two Muslim clerics from Toronto want the United States to apologize for holding them in Florida on Thursday â the second anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington. And the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) was so offended by the treatment of the two men that it is advising Muslims not to travel to the United States. Too bad theyâre not advising Muslims to shun their islamofascist brethren. "You get a feeling that in the United States any Muslim is fair game," said Tarek Fatah, a founder of the MCC. Fatah? "Is this one on the list Bob?" "Yup, along with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad." "Take him aside." Ahmad Kutty and Abdul Hamid were flying to Orlando when they were arrested during a stopover in Fort Lauderdale on Thursday. The men were interrogated for 16 hours and kept in jail until Friday, when they returned to Toronto. U.S. officials said the men were a security concern. Hamid said a FBI officer told him that his name "sounded similar to the names of some people on the list of suspects." I bet thereâs more to it then that. The two scholars oppose Islamic extremism, and were on their way to give sermons at a Muslim meeting in Florida. And here it is. This meeting was being carefully watched, thatâs why you were detained. Kutty "is one of the gentlest souls in the Muslim community," said Fatah. Now the two have taken the most American of actions â theyâve got a lawyer. To sue Osama Bin Laden??? "This is America, where there are laws and there are procedures. And weâre going to follow those. Weâre going to hold people accountable," said lawyer Khurrum Wahid. For the Sept. 11 attacks??? How noble. The men want an apology and they may yet ask the Canadian government to lodge a formal complaint. Against Saudi Arabia??? Iâm moved to tears....but Iâm not holding my breath |
| Posted by:Rafael |
| #15 "On a more serious note, I wouldn't be surprised if the info about these two guys was passed on to the FBI by one of our guys." Prolly was!!! Mebbe afraid Chretien would give 'em a big fat kiss instead of throwing them in the pokey! That guy gives me the creeps! You're a good man, Rafael - keep swinging away! |
| Posted by: .com (Prez for Life - My Isles of Langerhans) 2003-9-15 3:20:39 AM |
| #14 "your sensitivity to my criticism" Well, for a minute there I felt like a Palestinian. Any mention of a wall has my boxers bunching up. Last time I checked I didn't vote for Yaser... though sometimes I wonder. "are you going to back it up with something other than your opinion" Nah. Other than it seems completely arbitrary. "As for Chretien, you elected him" Whoa! Them's fighting words. Never voted for the guy. Saw him for what he was from the very beginning. Unfortunately, for the time being, as long as Ontario keeps voting Liberal, there's no alternative. "serious treatment of terrorists held by Canadian authorities" Terrorists?? We've still got 59 war criminals we're trying to locate. BTW, you haven't seen any of them around by any chance? Any help is greatly appreciated. "superiority of Canadian immigration" Heh of course we're superior. It only takes an average of 12 months to get here. On a more serious note, I wouldn't be surprised if the info about these two guys was passed on to the FBI by one of our guys. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2003-9-14 11:36:45 PM |
| #13 Dear Canuckistanis, I deeply regret that two visiting Islamic clergymen were seized by a rioting mob of Americans, then torn to pieces as they pleaded for their lives, and that their remains were paraded triumphantly through the streets of Florida. Oh, wait a minute.... |
| Posted by: American conspirator 2003-9-14 11:00:39 PM |
| #12 Rafael - LOL. At least you've maintained a sense of humor... "But aren't you forgetting that the US has an immigration policy as well?" Not at all. The problem is, with that huge open border, that whatever yours is overrides, in the practical sense, whatever changes we make to ours in the legal sense. That should be obvious to you, regardless of your sensitivity to my criticism. "In fact it is your government that has the silly visa lottery program." Well, I'm not sure how to put this other than we attempted to be fair regards the incredible masses of people who wish to immigrate to the US. Silly? Sounds pretty subjective - or are you going to back it up with something other than your opinion? It is our heritage to try to be open to immigration. The WoT has and will continue to put bottlenecks in the process so we can find out just who we're letting in, now. As for Chretien, you elected him. We have to eat crow for our fools - you have the honor with yours. I find it fascinating that you want to compare immigration policies. Nothing you responded with negates my point, however. As for what Canada does with them when it catches asshats, you have a serious problem. You don't do dick, as a matter of fact - unless you turn them over to the US, where they find out what a hard time really is - though it's not hard enough for my taste. When the US catches them, they have to be clean to get let go - and if not clean, they are fucked. What does Canada do? I'd love to hear you wax enthusiastic about the fair but serious treatment of terrorists held by Canadian authorities. When I worked in Saudi I knew more than 10 guys with Canadian passports. Only one was a Canuck - the rest were PakIndiLaysiArabs - cuz any swinging dick that wanted one (and was not on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List) could get one. I love Canada (particularly the Calgary Stampede!) and I respect your posts in almost every instance, but you haven't got the facts to get wiggly with me regards some imagined superiority of Canadian immigration - regards policies, laws, practices, investigation, or enforcement. Sorry, bro. 8-) |
| Posted by: .com (Prez for Life - My Isles of Langerhans) 2003-9-14 8:09:52 PM |
| #11 No connection to terrorism? According to info in my files, Ahmad Kutty (born in India, 1946) translated a book by executed Egyptian terrorist, Sayed Qutb, under the title, "Social Justice in Islam." Why would he do that, if he did not sympathise with Qutb's genocidal views? His son, Faisal, was (or is) a member of the Muslim Students Association, a wing of the terrorist' Jamaat-i-Islami organization of Pakistan. |
| Posted by: anonon 2003-9-14 4:55:17 PM |
| #10 To the detained pair of Muslim chaps: We are very sorry for the treatment you received from our government. Now, where was I? What's next......... |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2003-9-14 3:57:26 PM |
| #9 Canada's immigration policiy, or lack of one Things will slowly improve, with the new Citizenship Act. But aren't you forgetting that the US has an immigration policy as well? In fact it is your government that has the silly visa lottery program. You might wanna deal with that first before building a wall. The Sampson story is getting attention. The Canadian foreign minister recently admitted that relations with Saudi Arabia have been strained over this issue, and they want an investigation, not a simple inquiry. But of course it is doubtful that anything will come of this. Chretien did his best to weaken Canada's diplomatic position in the world. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2003-9-14 3:51:20 PM |
| #8 None of you guys seem to understand Canadian politics. The Government is going to seethe and whine as loud as possible in this case. Why? Because they have to pander to the Canadian Muslim population in order to secure the ethnic vote, which is a Liberal Party specialty. Secondly, this was an âoffenceâ committed by Americans, and we all know Chretienâs animosity towards them. Youâre right in by the fact that not a single finger was listed by Canadian authorities over the deaths and torture of their citizens by Islamic countries. They wouldnât want to âoffendâ them. Itâs absolutely sickening what Canada has become now. No wonder why Sampson wonât return to Canada. And yes, Toronto does have a very large Muslim population. My sister lives there (I grew up in Canada) and attends York University. The Muslim student groups are very active up there, especially in their protests. They beat up this Jewish girl pretty badly and all she did was complain that they were blocking her on her way to class. I also read somewhere that about 20% of Canadaâs Muslim population adheres to Wahabisim. Thatâs pretty high. Though I am curious what those numbers are here in the US. |
| Posted by: LMJ 2003-9-14 1:06:03 PM |
| #7 There is far too much exposed feminine ankle tobe good for them, we must keep them out for their own good. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2003-9-14 11:50:34 AM |
| #6 Perhaps Moslems from around the world should take up the call and avoid travel to the US. If you add Tom's response to that I think we have a really nice start on the healing process. The US is just too tempting, too seductive, too concerned for the lives of her citizens, too many lapdancers and barbie dolls. The unhinged Islamic element must stay away for their own good |
| Posted by: Yank 2003-9-14 11:34:50 AM |
| #5 . . .may yet ask the Canadian government to lodge a formal complaint. As I recall the canuk gov would not lift a finger against Iran or Saudi for beatings and death, why expect any action now. |
| Posted by: Anomalous 2003-9-14 10:40:48 AM |
| #4 They flew into Orlando, but they may have taken a side trip to the southern half of Florida. You know, the home of Sami al-Arian and Abdullah al-Muhajir. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2003-9-14 10:32:13 AM |
| #3 Attention all radical anti-western U.S. Muslims: evacuate to Canada immediately. Please. Attention all peace-loving U.S. Muslims: you are fully welcome to stay. We apologize for any inconveniences to you. |
| Posted by: Tom 2003-9-14 10:10:25 AM |
| #2 I was up in Toronto a few weeks ago and there is an immense Muslim population there. Most seem like pretty regular folks and I even stopped by Afghan Youth Day at Wonderland Park. The music was grooving and the Afghans were ecstatically happy to be dancing, singing, hanging out without burqas. Many of the Afghan women and girls are very gorgeous and their brothers, very Western looking, look like they could kick your ass if you stared too long. But everything was friendly. Meanwhile, these goofball "religious leaders" would be most content to drag them back to the 7th Century. People called my Irish Catholic ancestors "priest ridden"? The Moslems are "imam ridden" and really have to stand up for themselves and say, "Enough!" |
| Posted by: JDB 2003-9-14 10:07:56 AM |
| #1 "advising Muslims not to travel to the United States" Works for me! |
| Posted by: raptor 2003-9-14 9:01:37 AM |