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2003-08-19
The link is now up, to the right, in the little yellow box...

Some comments from last night, when I was sitting helplessly with a hosed internet connection...
Now, if we just have a standard deviation calculation, wait, belay that.........
Posted by: Alaska Paul 2003-8-18 11:00:54 PM
Belayed for awhile. I'm still working on it and I'll probably be rewriting the whole thing to do some of the things I'd like to do...

So who is going to handle the site for off-line betting? We could incorporate pay-pal or something........watch the monster grow.
Posted by: Alaska Paul 2003-8-18 11:03:30 PM
I'm still thinking about that one. Or I could provide the mechanism and you guys could place your bets. I'm not really into online casinos — I get enough spam, and I don't have any experience as a bookie.

Fred-
What prevents people from entering in many different aliases to skew the results? I know that this sounds sophomoric, but another web site allowed members to numerically rate other members based on their posts. Some idiots created over twenty different handles to flame the posters they despised and rate them negatively. And in the case of the other website, you had to register a unique email address.

The website owners had to pull the rating system because of it was screwing up the purpose of the website.

Because there is no money up front, the posts in Futuristic Toy will be skewed by idiots. And it won't be interesting anymore. And that would be a shame.

Ways to prevent this are probably easy to come up with, but too complex to manage.

Hopefully some of you smart people will come up with a plan.
Posted by: Penguin 2003-8-18 11:19:12 PM
I think phase two is going to take the last half dozen (approximately) quotes as the current probability, with the overall probability being shown next to it and a +/- figure given. That way the system will be self-correcting over time. I'd also like to take the entries when they expire and post them here on the main page for comment.

You could filter the regulars from the ones that never posted here before. Or have a condition that you have to be "known" to Rantburg (but not necessarily have to register). Or something... I'm not smart with these things so I'll pass the mic on to someone else...
Posted by: Raphael 2003-8-18 11:38:10 PM
I'd like to leave them open to anyone who has an opinion. It's kind of like polling, only using an informed base. The wider the opinion range among informed readers, the more checks and balances we get. I think. Unless it leaves us at 50-50 on every item. Then we'll have to think of something else.

If the system's self-correcting, trolls — even Stevey — won't be a problem, at least not for more than a day or so, because their opinions will age off even though they'll go into the overall prob.

If we create an item on the main page along with who said what, it'll be open to comments just like any other article. The trolls — and those who were generally off the mark — could end up collecting razzberries, and the occasional reminders will keep us all honest.
Posted by:Fred Pruitt

#10  just got a similar error, but I know you're on the ball, Fred. BTW - I like the graphics
Posted by: Frank G   2003-8-19 5:05:50 PM  

#9  And we should now be running, probably for the rest of the day...
Posted by: Fred   2003-8-19 2:31:29 PM  

#8  Mojo...

Ignore the occasional error message. I'm messing with it right now...
Posted by: Fred   2003-8-19 2:06:13 PM  

#7  Quite a bit more informative, though, eh?
Posted by: mojo   2003-8-19 2:02:54 PM  

#6  not as pithy as your usual comments, Mojo
Posted by: Frank G   2003-8-19 1:47:58 PM  

#5  Fred-

The aging algorithm based on post history is the best idea so far. Especially if troll posts are culled by you or assistant moderators.

The ony problem will be for the spouses and family of hardcore Rantburgers. Since the hardcore will refuse to take a vacation if they think their status will drop. :D



Posted by: Penguin   2003-8-19 1:47:37 PM  

#4  Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14'

[MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-3.23.32]You have an error in your SQL syntax near '' at line 1

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Posted by: mojo   2003-8-19 1:22:14 PM  

#3  "It's kind of like polling, only using an informed base. The wider the opinion range among informed readers, the more checks and balances we get"

Wait a minute....since when do I have to stay informed to post? It hasn't been a problem to date ;-)
Posted by: Frank G   2003-8-19 1:19:19 PM  

#2  Fred, thanks for all your work. I think this is a fascinating thing, and I appreciate you giving us all a chance to participate.
Posted by: Lynwood   2003-8-19 12:45:19 PM  

#1  IMHO this doesn't work very well without the money, for Penguin’s reasons and others. Anyone can vote his* preference or his optimism, consciously or sub. People won't necessarily vote their real predictions if there are no repercussions (of their vote) that effect them. Many people won’t even think it through if there is nothing in it for them. Why should they?

It's the market again.

*Please, no protests about sexist adjectives. As Winston Churchill said, “Male embraces female, which is just as it should be.”.
Posted by: Lynwood   2003-8-19 12:42:58 PM  

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