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Muslims Stress Abrahamic Character of America
2003-05-17
A host of leading Muslim organizations in the U.S. are orchestrating a campaign to replace the "Judeo-Christian" phrase in describing the values and character that define the U.S. with a one that would not exclude its more than 8 million Muslim population, reported the Newhouse News Service. The change campaigners, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, American Muslim Alliance, the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council, stress it is high time for Americans to stop using the outdated phrase and replace it with "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic," in reference to Abraham (Ibrahim), the patriarch held in common by the three monotheistic religions.
Then we'd have to use the term "non-homicidal" when referring to just Christianity and Judaism...
Dr. Agha K. Saeed, founder and chairman of the American Muslim Alliance, a Fremont-based political group, underlined that "the new language should be used in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places."
Yeah, what the hell? Everybody else feels free to rearrange the language. Why not them, too?
U.S. President George W. Bush is always quick to add "mosques," when he mentions churches and synagogues. "These are not just let's-make-you-feel-good words," he said, asserting that "these are words that define how we're related to each other."
I thought he was just being polite...
Dr. Zahid Bukhari, vice president of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), says that an inclusive change of language could alter the perception that the U.S. as a Christian country is hell-bent on dominating Muslims in a modern-day crusade.
When the president shows up at a mosque for a foto-op and puts on a turban, I'm leaving for someplace else. I'm just not sure where, since the entire world seems to be infected with this "tolerance" silliness...
Sharifa Alkhateeb, president of the Washington-based Muslim Education Council, is quick to assert, "What we call Western culture is in fact based on Muslim Middle East culture, but the average American doesn't know that."
Well, I must be ignorant and certainly must be average, since the idea never even occurred to me. All this time I thought the Song of Roland and the Siege of Vienna were significant events in our history — where our fairly ignorant and brutal ancestors kept out the forces of even more ignorance and brutality, so that our society could mature while the other side's stagnated...
"We believe in heaven and hell, in doing good deeds, in following the Ten Commandments," asserts Hannah Hawk, a spokesperson for the Houston Muslim Public Affairs Council.
"We believe we're going to heaven and God's going to roast you infidels' stomaches in hell. We believe in several of the Ten Commandments, except the ones about killing people, coveting, telling lies, and that sort of thing. And we only do good deeds for Muslims, 'cuz why waste the money?"
"Islamic values are not only compatible with American values, they're almost identical. I personally believe the most Islamic country in the world is America, where we believe in freedom of religion, freedom of the press and equality of all."
"Gentle reader fwowed up..."
The call for new terms, which shows that words carry huge symbolic importance for Muslims trying to find their role in America after Sept. 11 and the Iraq war, has its proponents and opponents. The campaign is significantly backed by non-Muslim organizations, including the head of the National Council of Churches.
Oh, dear! Oh, golly! Wotta surprise!
Rev. Bob Edgar, general secretary of the council, which represents 36 Christian denominations, said he prefers "Abrahamic" to "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" because it "rolls off the tongue a little easier."
Posted by:Fred Pruitt

#9  America - '...the most Islamic country in the world...' ??? Whatever happened to : "America, the Great Satan"???

Is Iran (Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Pakistan, Libya, etc etc) 'the Great Satan' now since we're supposedly 'MORE Islamic' than them?... I'm confused...

Posted by: Steve W   2003-05-17 23:24:37  

#8  It seems to me that America was founded by people who yearned to be free, and Islam yearns to enslave. What the hey, no big dif....!
True freedom is definitely worth fighting for. The sleeping giant has been awakened.
Posted by: Anon   2003-05-17 18:44:27  

#7  Oh, gosh. Here we go again. As a language student and teacher, the socio-linguistic question of what terms are acceptable or not is fascinating. Martin Luther King referred to himself as a Negro; later, after his loss, it became black, now Black in some quarters. Now we've got African-American. These terms have become more mainstream in the media and education because whites (Whites?)in the these fields felt/feel that whites are showing flexibility, understanding, and empathy with blacks, in the hope that giving blacks this recognition, everybody will get along better. Very Clintonian, leftish idea. But are things better for blacks because of these changing labels? No, opportunity and a good economy help blacks.

Soo, I'll stick with Judeo-Christian for the same reason set forth by Anon1. BTW, I use the term about once every two years.
Posted by: michael   2003-05-17 15:56:49  

#6  "Islamic values are not only compatible with American values, they're almost identical."

Don't think so, bub. Pay no attention to those buildings exploding in the name of the Prophet.
This isn't France or Belgium. Go sell this bullshit over there. Some of the clueless PC airheads will buy into this, but to most of us, the phrase "Religion Of Peace" is a sick joke.
Posted by: tu3031   2003-05-17 14:19:05  

#5  Figures that Bob Edgar, head of the National Council of Churches Nobody Goes To Anymore would support this ridiculous idea. Considering that Islam and Islamic values had no influence whatsoever on the formation of this country while the Jewish influence was formidable(one proposal for the Great Seal pictured Moses at the Red Sea) and the Christian influence goes without saying, one can add titantic arrogance to the list of Muslim "virtues."
Posted by: Christopher Johnson   2003-05-17 13:00:29  

#4  Well at least as far as the intolerant and self-righteous culture with the ends justifying any means, I guess that term could be applied to several of the more liberal locales
Posted by: Frank G   2003-05-17 12:43:40  

#3  As the West's centuries-old war with Islam resurges again, in large part based on the wealth we gave them from oil, I marvel at how we fight the overt assaults by terrorists but allow the covert infiltration. They are now emboldened to the point of openly trying to affect cultural norms in their long-term efforts to destroy Western culture and Western ideas. Wake up people, these purportedly peaceful clerics are not your friends. In their private meetings, in foreign languages, they say other things and accept other tactics to bring the end of the West.
Posted by: Cynical Look   2003-05-17 10:50:53  

#2  I'd be willing to bet that there are more "Neo-Pagans" in the U.S. than Muslims.
Posted by: Parabellum   2003-05-17 10:40:27  

#1  yeah, why not judeo-christian-buddhist-zoroastrian-hindu-shinto-atheist-islamic values?

Come off it, Western Society was built on Judeo-Christian ethics as promoted by the Roman Empire and developed by the English over a few hundred years.

It has nothing - NOTHING - whatever in common with Islamic philosophies or ethics. Islamic ethics and traditions are completely foriegn to those of a Western background/education upon which America's culture is based.
Posted by: Anon1   2003-05-17 10:10:50  

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