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| US aggression on Iraq reflects its barbarity: Muslim leader |
| 2003-04-04 |
| Syafii Maarif, chairman of Muhammadiyah, Indonesia's second largest Muslim organization, lashed out at the US-led military invasion of Iraq, saying it was a display of barbarity. "What is happening (in Iraq) is beyond the values of humanity," Syafii told a conference discussing Muslim youth and world peace, organized by Muhammadiyah Youth, the organization's youth wing. "The attack on Iraq by the US and its allies should be denounced by peace-loving people all over the world," he said, as quoted by Antara news agency. People who believe in keeping slaves and cutting people's heads off call us barbarians? I can't even dignify that statement with a razzberry... |
| Posted by:Fred Pruitt |
| #5 Isnât that a bit too surprising that some wise guy has to bring up a paradoxical issues like this â¦. Islam, as a faith and world religion, has had a long history of violence against any and all who reject its teachings. Wherever Islam has been the dominate force in a culture, it has suppressed and persecuted all opposition without mercy. In the Koran, for example, it is taught that Muslims should not befriend Jews or Christians. When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads: then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.â Surah 8:12, 17 "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah." Surah 5:75, âIt should be noted that the tax levied upon the Christians and Jews was not to support the state in general affairs; it was simply to compensate Muslims. In fact, the Koran and history report that he fought over 66 battles, killing tens of thousands of people. In one of his revelations, Muhammad was told to kill and drive out all the Jews. One time he had 1,000 Jewish men brought together and had them all beheaded. Islam became known as the âreligion of the sword.â Like the follwing examplesâ¦. 1. Muslim Turkey has expelled approximately 1,500,000 Greeks from its empire in the east and replaced them with Turks. They have massacred approximately 2 million Armenians and replaced them with Turks in the west. 2. Muslim Turkey has invaded and occupied northern Cyprus, displacing the Greeks living there. 3. Muslim northern Sudan has conquered much of southern Sudan, literally enslaving its Christian and pagan population. 4. Indonesian imperialism has occupied all of non-Islamic western New Guinea and incorporated into Indonesia. 5. Muslim Indonesia has invaded and conquered Christian East Timor with horrible loss of life. 6. This very day, Muslim Indonesia is attempting to destroy Christianity in what used to be called the Celebes. 7. A half-dozen Arab countries have fought two to four wars (depending how you count) in an attempt to destroy Israel and occupy its territory, and is currently continuing the attempt this very day with the publicly voted consent of 55 of the world's 57 Islamic nations. 8. For no good reason, Muslim Libya has blown up western aircraft, killing many civilians. 9. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist war of aggression, invaded and occupied Muslim Kuwait. 10. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist act of aggression, invaded Muslim Iran with a resulting (some estimates say) death of 2 million people. 11. Muslim Albania, this very minute, is attempting to enlarge its borders at Christian Macedonia's expense. 12. Muslim Northern Nigeria has been (and is currently) an aggressor against the Christian south. 13. Muslims expelled approximately 800,000 Jews from their homelands between 1947 and 1955. 14. During Jordan's occupation of the West Bank, the kingdom undertook an unsuccessful attempt to make Jerusalem a Muslim city by forcing out approximately 10,000 Christian inhabitants. 15. Islamic Pakistan had had numerous full scales wars after aggressing against the Indian Kashmir. The barbarity and the animal behavior Pakistani military demonstrated with the Bangladeshi women. The Hamood Commission report findings on the debacle could not be made public by the government of Pakistan for almost twenty years until one of the Indian newspapers published it one morning! Sometime I wonder why some one wants to pontificate peace that they cannot practise themselves. |
| Posted by: ISHMAIL 2003-04-04 23:48:39 |
| #4 Old Patriot: That reminds me of something Capt Kirk said on one of the old Star Trek episodes. A planetary minister was horrified when Kirk told him that he was going to stop their "peaceful" warfare with a neighboring planet and called Kirk a barbarian. Kirk's response was something like "Yes, I'm a barbarian, but at least when I kill somebody I do it the old-fashioned way and not by herding them into disintegration chambers". For a long time now people have been trying to convince us that we should be sheep, but humans are not sheep. Humans are hunters by nature. We are wolves, the top dogs of the food chain - and we should continue to be wolves. The current foreign policy of the US seems to be that of wolves and wolves don;t like being picked on. They tend to show their teeth and get very nasty with whatever's picking on them - and the whole pack is likely to tear into a flock of sheep and keep on tearing until there are no sheep left - only wolves. |
| Posted by: FOTSGreg 2003-04-04 17:25:45 |
| #3 Of course, you know, he IS right. We ARE a band of barbarians. Never said we weren't. Why, even on my personal webpage, I call myself a "cultured" barbarian. That's only saying that I like good food, good music, good surroundings, and don't like some numbwit thumbsucking scumvermin causing trouble. Yeah, I like Bach, Brahms, and Beethoven. That doesn't keep me from being able to butcher my own kill, or setting up a defensive fire support position, or ramming a bayonet through the throat of a piece of garbage trying to force his religion, his politics, or his bad breath on me. We need to remain a nation of "barbarians". It's a good way to remain a nation of Free Men. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2003-04-04 15:55:07 |
| #2 As opposed to the totally civilized practice of chopping up people with machetes... |
| Posted by: mojo 2003-04-04 13:35:45 |
| #1 Maybe we can send Syafii Maarif to one of those nice, pleasant Vietnamese "reeducation centers", where they can explain to him the errors of his ways. I'm sure he'd just looooovve that. The Vietnamese are such peace-loving people, you know. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2003-04-04 13:14:21 |