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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Web Rage Arrest: He Couldn't Take Internet Insults
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/18/2006 04:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [291 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But did he insult his mustache?
Posted by: Spot || 11/18/2006 10:14 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Very Cool Flash Animation to kill a couple of moments
Posted by: .com || 11/18/2006 14:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [286 views] Top|| File under:


Secret Santa Reveals His Identity
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- For 26 years, a man known only as Secret Santa has roamed the streets every December quietly giving people money. He started with $5 and $10 bills. As his fortune grew, so did the gifts.
In recent years, Secret Santa has been handing out $100 bills, sometimes two or three at a time, to people in thrift stores, diners and parking lots. So far, he's anonymously given out about $1.3 million.
In recent years, Secret Santa has been handing out $100 bills, sometimes two or three at a time, to people in thrift stores, diners and parking lots. So far, he's anonymously given out about $1.3 million. It's been a long-held holiday mystery: Who is Secret Santa?

But now, weak from chemotherapy and armed with a desire to pass on his belief in random kindness, Secret Santa has decided it's time to reveal his identity. He is Larry Stewart, a 58-year-old businessman from the Kansas City suburb of Lee's Summit, Mo., who made his millions in cable television and long-distance telephone service.

His holiday giving started in December 1979 when he was nursing his wounds at a drive-in restaurant after getting fired. It was the second year in a row he had been fired the week before Christmas.
"It was cold and this car hop didn't have on a very big jacket, and I thought to myself, `I think I got it bad. She's out there in this cold making nickels and dimes.'"
"It was cold and this car hop didn't have on a very big jacket, and I thought to myself, `I think I got it bad. She's out there in this cold making nickels and dimes,'" he said.

He gave her $20 and told her to keep the change. "And suddenly I saw her lips begin to tremble and tears begin to flow down her cheeks. She said, `Sir, you have no idea what this means to me.'"

Stewart went to the bank that day and took out $200, then drove around looking for people who could use a lift. That was his "Christmas present to himself." He's hit the streets each December since.
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Posted by: Fred || 11/18/2006 13:45 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [401 views] Top|| File under:

#1  God bless him. Isn't this what the Christmas spirit (and good karma) is all about?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/18/2006 14:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Awesome. What a classy character. I hope his personal health turns around. Personifies what Twain once said:

"Grief can take care of itself, but to get the full value of a joy you must have somebody to divide it with."

Posted by: .com || 11/18/2006 14:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Inspirational. If I can afford to part with a couple of hundred I may just do something like this myself here in my hometown.

(I love to do stuff like this anyway)

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 11/18/2006 19:24 Comments || Top||

#4  A wonderful man. Thanks for the story, Fred.

In a similar (if considerably smaller) vein, trailing daughter #1, having reached the stage when she remembered how exciting it had been for her when slightly younger to find a coin on the sidewalk or in the parking lot, started bring her spare change on shopping trips to scatter for other little children to find.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/18/2006 21:42 Comments || Top||


'Gandalf, Arsenal, it's dinnertime'
AS if Fifi Trixiebelle, Peaches Honeyblossom and Little Pixie were not enough of a cross to bear, Britain now numbers among its youth six Gandalfs, two Supermen and 36 Arsenals of both sexes. Children, it appears, are in growing danger from their parents of name abuse. Among the worst reported cases are Dre, Tupac, Jay-Z and Snoop. These unfortunates, when they grow up, may well wonder why they were named after a variety of transient rap stars.

A survey of British birth certificates over the past 22 years by www.findmypast.com, a family history website, indicates that the practice of naming children after pop, sports or film stars, or even fictional characters, is alive and well. It is merely an updating of all those women who, having wept over Gone with the Wind in 1939, christened their sons Ashley and their daughters Scarlett.

Some names are more acceptable - and more common - than others. Since 1984, a total of 7261 Kylies have been born in Britain, a tribute to the enduring appeal of Minogue and one in the eye for her rival, Madonna, of whom there are only 288. In the past five years, the rise of the actor Keira Knightley has prompted 6074 sets of parents to borrow her name for their offspring, while Britney Spears holds up well, giving her name to 1611 little girls.
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Posted by: Fred || 11/18/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [306 views] Top|| File under:

#1  An education consultant friend met a boy in a New Jersey school named Shithead. Now that is name abuse.
Posted by: Grunter || 11/18/2006 1:06 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm naming my next kid 'NoneOfTheAbove'. He'll have a bright future in politics.
Posted by: DMFD || 11/18/2006 1:24 Comments || Top||

#3  An education consultant friend met a boy in a New Jersey school named $hithead

Heh heh, Johnny Cash would have been proud.
Posted by: gorb || 11/18/2006 1:27 Comments || Top||

#4  A friend of mine taught some pre schoolers from
one family Faith, Hope and Paul. Obviously the boy screwed up the plan so to compensate they gave him the second name of Preditor. When I asked why the response was they just loved the movie.
Posted by: Classer || 11/18/2006 1:47 Comments || Top||

#5  And then there's Grace.
Posted by: .com || 11/18/2006 1:49 Comments || Top||

#6  From my college days, I knew a Chinese family with three daughters; April, May and June. Nice girls too.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/18/2006 2:30 Comments || Top||

#7  I think it will be a long time before someone beats this:
Moon Unit, Dweezil, Ahmet Emuukha Rodan and Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen

As a musician, Frank Zappa was pretty good, but as a father...I don't recall he had such a horrible childhood that he had to punish his children.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/18/2006 2:34 Comments || Top||

#8  I know a mechanic whose name is Rusty Wrench. His younger brother's name was Allen. Caught all kinds of hell for it when they were young.
Posted by: gorb || 11/18/2006 2:44 Comments || Top||

#9  ...I call foul - my ex and I had chosen Keira for a girl's name in 1986.
(Of course, we picked it after watching Xanadu ...I know, I'm sorry...)

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/18/2006 8:46 Comments || Top||

#10  Didntpulloutintime Jones
Posted by: Frank G || 11/18/2006 10:00 Comments || Top||

#11  I served with a woman who told me about an elementary school friend of hers whose family was so low-rent, as well as being completely unscathed by sophisication, that she (the friend) was the first ever to have been born in a hospital. When she was brought to her mother from the nursery, the mother looked at the little name-tag on her wrist which said "Female So-&-so" and assumed that the hospital had taken the liberty of naming the baby. So the poor kid was named "Female", pronouced "Fe-Molly". Everyone called her "Molly"...fortunatly.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 11/18/2006 10:33 Comments || Top||

#12  Sixan Seveneights Farnam.

They put names in a hat and chose one.
Posted by: KBK || 11/18/2006 10:44 Comments || Top||

#13  Jasmine
Jazzmine
(twin sisters)

Leroy
Leroi
(twin brothers)

I'm not making this up.
Cute for their parents, a nightmare for the kids, and a reason for teachers to go postal.
Posted by: Shakahelia || 11/18/2006 10:46 Comments || Top||

#14  36 Arsenals of both sexes

Lessee ... British parents naming their infant boys and girls "Arsenal". The first week of school for those kids will be a real eye-opener.
Posted by: mrp || 11/18/2006 10:48 Comments || Top||

#15  "As a musician, Frank Zappa was pretty good, but as a father...I don't recall he had such a horrible childhood that he had to punish his children."

If memory serves, Zappa turned out (despite the whole name thingy) to be infamously successful in raising polite, well-adjusted children who loved him to death. We should all be so lucky.
Posted by: Ernest Brown || 11/18/2006 12:17 Comments || Top||

#16  I push papers in an office where all kinda fun names come across my desk. My all-time fave is:

Tutankhamun Adolphus Seniorjohnson

Seriously. Maybe someone down the hall was screwing with me, but that's how I filed him.
Posted by: Vegas Matt || 11/18/2006 12:29 Comments || Top||

#17  Kismiass. George Kismiass.

Don't go to court.

"Name?"
"Kismiass, your Honor."
"What?"
Posted by: Jereling Jiger3759 || 11/18/2006 12:31 Comments || Top||

#18  I have to wonder if, when the kids are old enough, will they even know what Rap is, much less "..transient rap stars."" Sounds almost like someone living under a bridge and needs a quarter for bus fare home (riii-iiight)
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/18/2006 12:36 Comments || Top||

#19  Back when I used to hang out on alt.folklore.urban, we would periodically be bombarded by newbies telling us "new" legends we'd heard 1000 times before. A perpetual favorite was "funny names", like Fe-male and Shithead (pronounced Shi-thaid or Shi-theed), along with Nosmo King (it was above the door in the hospital), twins Lemonjello and Oranjello, and Syphilis and Gonorrhea (rhyme with Phyllis and Honoria).

Funny names were generally ascribed to certain ethnic or social groups, depending on whoever the teller thought were no-account low-rent morons. For example, when I was a kid I was told the Syphilis and Gonorrhea one, said to be the children of "some woman in Arkansas". Cause ain't nothin' lower to a Missouri redneck than an Arkansas redneck.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 11/18/2006 13:04 Comments || Top||

#20  DeNiro's SNL skit (video) on "terrorist" names...
Posted by: .com || 11/18/2006 13:09 Comments || Top||

#21  Reviewing Child Support System documents I've seen; Darvon, Vagina (pronounced like Lasagna), Booger, Adderall, Kotex etc. but my personal favorite was Meconium. Nice job moms.

I'm sure we'll be reading about your kids someday in the Police Beat columns.
Posted by: GORT || 11/18/2006 13:15 Comments || Top||

#22  met an 'Excreta' once.
Posted by: Cheech || 11/18/2006 13:56 Comments || Top||

#23  I have a moonbat friend who named his son Chalico. Years later he got a dog, named it Robert.

Then there's the NY Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burris.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/18/2006 17:47 Comments || Top||

#24  Serious story on this one. Buddy of mine worked at our local music store. Kid and mom came in to rent a tuba or something (for marching band) and mom told him the kid's name was (pronunciation-wise) "Paaa-Juh-Mus". When she spelled it out on the application to rent the tuba, it was Pajamas.
Posted by: BA || 11/18/2006 20:11 Comments || Top||

#25  I love Henry Cho's story about his Friend, JB, when JB filled out his drivers license app, put down his name as "J (only) B (only)". Drivers license came back as "Jonly Bonly".
Posted by: Almost Anonymous5839 || 11/18/2006 20:41 Comments || Top||

#26  Hey Arsenal, you can shove your England up your arse!
Posted by: MU || 11/18/2006 20:59 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
'Lizard Isles' reveal natural selection at work
Given our heated debate on the subject, some of you might find this interesting. Strictly speaking, it's not evolution, because there is no evidence of novel characteristics arising, but interesting nonetheless.
We've had a heated debate?
Natural selection, the keystone of evolution, can switch direction in a matter of months, a novel experiment on lizards reveals. Jonathan Losos at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, US, and colleagues visited a dozen tiny isles in the Bahamas. They tagged hundreds of tiny Anolis sagrei lizards, which show natural variation in the length of their legs.

In half of the islands, they introduced a larger lizard species, Leiocephalus carinatus, which preys on A. sagrei.

The tiny islands are each about 750 square metres (around the size of a baseball diamond) and located only about 100 metres away from land where L. carinatus naturally live.

These predatory lizards regularly colonise the tiny islands, but routinely die out because they are entirely ground-based and can be wiped out when hurricanes cause flooding. For this reason, Losos says it is ethically acceptable to introduce the L. carinatus onto the islands for experimental purposes.

The team predicted that introducing the predatory species would initially lead to a greater number of A. sagrei lizards with slightly longer legs, which would enable them to run faster than their shorter-legged peers, which would get caught and eaten.

However, they hypothesised that after a certain amount of time, selective pressures would shift to favour lizards with shorter legs, because such animals can climb trees better, and evade the L. carinatus in that manner.

Given time, A. sagrei would somehow learn to escape death by climbing, the researchers reasoned. “These lizards are no dummies,” Losos says.

In fact, all of these predictions came to pass. When the researchers returned to the islands after six months and counted the A. sagrei lizards that survived, they found a greater number had long legs. After a further six months, another survey showed that natural selection had shifted to favour lizards with short legs.

And there was a huge increase in the proportion of A. sagrei lizards that chose to dwell in trees. Normally, about 60% of these lizards are found in trees – and this was the case on the islands with no predator lizards. But in the six experimental isles, which had the introduced predator species, more than 90% A. sagrei were found in trees after one year.

Not only does the study illustrate how swiftly natural selection can act, says Losos, it also shows that the process can be experimentally induced, given the right circumstances.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/18/2006 00:14 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [293 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Some people know how to write research grants!
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/18/2006 7:13 Comments || Top||

#2  I wonder how they hid the rum funds in the grant application.
Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 11/18/2006 7:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Now introduce some Paleos to the island - and check back in a few years decades generations millenia.

One thing is certain - they won't evolve to climb trees. So as a predator, they're doomed - without technology from outside, they won't be able to chop down the trees or blow them up, either.

As prey there are a couple more possible evolutionary tracks that could emerge... they could be eaten by the Leiocephalus carinatus within days - marching around makes them easy targets - or they could mate with them, assuming the lizards could bear the thought. Either would kill off the Leiocephalus carinatus, just two different types of poisoning.
Posted by: .com || 11/18/2006 7:38 Comments || Top||

#4  One interesting sagrei lizard (Elmer) has devloped what looks surprisingly like a shutter gun.

Demonstrating that cold-blooded animals often come to the same solution to the same problem.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/18/2006 10:52 Comments || Top||

#5  While all this funding is flowing to lizard land to examine this, there is a huge cry here in the northwest for "something, anything," to be done about the disaster that is the barred owl swooping in, all by itself mind you, and decimating the spotted owls that also swooped in, uninvited and caused the single winged (can't say single handed, since they don't have any) destruction of the timber industry.
i vote we export PETA member to thse pacific islands where the Komato Dragons live and then check back in a couple years and see if they grew longer (faster) legs or shorter ( tree climbing) ones. Or (hopefully) none of the above.
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/18/2006 12:41 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Liberal party appalled by Howard Dean
Canada's opposition Liberal Party is holding a convention this month to elect a national leader, and some party leaders aren't too happy about the choice of the keynote speaker – Howard Dean.

They say the unsuccessful presidential candidate has no place telling Canadians how to win elections. The former Vermont governor lost his bid for the 2004 Democratic nomination to Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry. "I as a Canadian am appalled to have an American loser address a keynote convention that will choose Canada's next failed candidate for prime minister," Ray Heard, former Liberal Party communications director, told CTV television on Thursday.

Other Liberal Party leaders are eager to hear Dean's strategies for retaking the House of Commons in Ottawa.
First you have to go to California, then Michigan, then D.C. Yeaaaaaaaagh!


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Posted by: Jackal || 11/18/2006 12:03 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [307 views] Top|| File under:

#1  an American loser

Should be on his tombstone
Posted by: Frank G || 11/18/2006 12:18 Comments || Top||

#2  He's not just going to go on to Ottawa. He's going to go on to Toronto! He's going to South Ontario and New Brunswick and Quebec and Labrador and Newfoundland, and he's going to Manitoba and Alberta and Saskachewan … And he's going to Moose Jaw and Medicine Hat and Edmonton and Vancouver. And then he's going to Churchill, Manitoba to take back the Great White North! Byaaagh!!!
Posted by: Mike || 11/18/2006 12:26 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Colorado AG Explains Conviction to Saudis
YJCMTSU
The (Colorado) state's attorney general traveled to Saudi Arabia this week to assure officials that a Saudi man convicted in Colorado of sexually abusing and virtually enslaving his housekeeper was treated fairly. Attorney General John Suthers made the trip at the request of the State Department. He met with Saudi King Abdullah, Crown Prince Sultan and relatives of Homaidan Al-Turki, who was sentenced in state court in August to 28 years to life in prison, Deputy Attorney General Jason Dunn said Friday.

"My understanding is their concerns are whether or not he was treated fairly in the judicial system," Dunn told The Associated Press.
Just as they treat all guests workers fairly in the Majik Kingdom.
Dunn said Suthers, who left Sunday and was expected back Saturday, explained that the state judicial system is independent from the federal government and that federal officials have no influence over it.
I'll bet there are those in the State Department who think otherwise.
Al-Turki, 37, was convicted of sexually assaulting an Indonesian housekeeper and keeping her as a virtual slave for four years. Last year, the Saudi government agreed to post $400,000 for his bail. Al-Turki has denied the charges and blamed anti-Muslim prejudice for the case against him. He said prosecutors persuaded the housekeeper to accuse him after they failed to build a case that he was a terrorist. His attorneys plan to appeal.
Hey enslavement of kuffurs is allowed by the Quran. So you can take your laws and stick 'em.
A State Department official with knowledge of the matter said the Al-Turki case has been a "thorn in our relations with the Saudis" and that Colorado was asked to send someone to help resolve it. He said similar trips have been made before, though they are uncommon. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he said he was not authorized to discuss the issue with the media.If you ain't authorixed to speak then STFU.
The NYT and WaPo then would have nothing to print, and we couldn't have that, now could we.
Federal prosecutors had filed charges of labor and immigration violations against Al-Turki, but dropped them after he was convicted in state court.

Al-Turki's wife, Sarah Khonaizan, pleaded guilty to a federal immigration charge and a state theft charge in the case and has returned to Saudi Arabia with the couple's five children, said her attorney, Forrest Lewis. She served home detention in the federal case and a two-month jail sentence in the state case and did not resist deportation.
Keep an eye on this. The State Department is going to try to make their problem go away.
Posted by: GK || 11/18/2006 15:32 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [419 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lemme do this real quick for ya, Mr. AG.

"It's illegal to enslave and rape people".

Howzat?
Posted by: Parabellum || 11/18/2006 17:32 Comments || Top||

#2  How about we embarrass you regarding your $400K bail payment, your efforts to save the SAUDI POS and IIRC wasn't the wife whisked from the country?Fucking Saudis need to have this blared out to counter their blood-money PR campaigns
Posted by: Frank G || 11/18/2006 18:18 Comments || Top||

#3  This takes dhimmism to a new low.
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/18/2006 18:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Amazing. I doubt they were really worried about unfair justice, more likely I would guess they wanted a little "chat" with the AG to make sure their kin received preferential treatment. As soon as they think they can get away with it, he'll be spirited back to Saudi Arabia, with the promise that the royal family and their kin won't push their luck that hard again for a while.
Posted by: gorb || 11/18/2006 20:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Maybe they'll 'take him for a drive in the desert'.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/18/2006 21:32 Comments || Top||

#6  All the Colorado Attorney General needed to tell King Abdullah Prince Sultan was this:

The Colorado District Attorney discovered Mr. Al-Turki was strictly following the "customs" of his country.

Thereafter, the Colorado District Attorney was duty bound to follow the customs of his.

Posted by: Mark Z || 11/18/2006 22:19 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Duh: Philanthropy Expert: Conservatives Are More Generous
Heh. Another data point on the curve that demonstrates the hypocrisy of the Liberal Left.
Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks is about to become the darling of the religious right in America -- and it's making him nervous.

The child of academics, raised in a liberal household and educated in the liberal arts, Brooks has written a book that concludes religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.

In the book, he cites extensive data analysis to demonstrate that values advocated by conservatives -- from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services -- make conservatives more generous than liberals.

The book, titled "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24.

When it comes to helping the needy, Brooks writes: "For too long, liberals have been claiming they are the most virtuous members of American society. Although they usually give less to charity, they have nevertheless lambasted conservatives for their callousness in the face of social injustice."

For the record, Brooks, 42, has been registered in the past as a Democrat, then a Republican, but now lists himself as independent, explaining, "I have no comfortable political home."

Since 2003 he has been director of nonprofit studies for Syracuse University's Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs.

Outside professional circles, he's best known for his regular op-ed columns in The Wall Street Journal (13 over the past 18 months) on topics that stray a bit from his philanthropy expertise.

One noted that people who drink alcohol moderately are more successful and charitable than those who don't (like him). Another observed that liberals are having fewer babies than conservatives, which will reduce liberals' impact on politics over time because children generally mimic their parents.

Brooks is a behavioral economist by training who researches the relationship between what people do -- aside from their paid work -- why they do it, and its economic impact.

He's a number cruncher who relied primarily on 10 databases assembled over the past decade, mostly from scientific surveys. The data are adjusted for variables such as age, gender, race and income to draw fine-point conclusions.

His Wall Street Journal pieces are researched, but a little light.

His book, he says, is carefully documented to withstand the scrutiny of other academics, which he said he encourages.

The book's basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure.

Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don't provide them with enough money.

Such an attitude, he writes, not only shortchanges the nonprofits but also diminishes the positive fallout of giving, including personal health, wealth and happiness for the donor and overall economic growth.
All of this, he said, he backs up with statistical analysis.

"These are not the sort of conclusions I ever thought I would reach when I started looking at charitable giving in graduate school, 10 years ago," he writes in the introduction. "I have to admit I probably would have hated what I have to say in this book."

Still, he says it forcefully, pointing out that liberals give less than conservatives in every way imaginable, including volunteer hours and donated blood.

In an interview, Brooks said he recognizes the need for government entitlement programs, such as welfare. But in the book he finds fault with all sorts of government social spending, including entitlements.

Repeatedly he cites and disputes a line from a Ralph Nader speech to the NAACP in 2000: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity."

Harvey Mansfield, professor of government at Harvard University and 2004 recipient of the National Humanities Medal, does not know Brooks personally but has read the book.

"His main finding is quite startling, that the people who talk the most about caring actually fork over the least," he said. "But beyond this finding I thought his analysis was extremely good, especially for an economist. He thinks very well about the reason for this and reflects about politics and morals in a way most economists do their best to avoid."

Brooks says he started the book as an academic treatise, then tightened the documentation and punched up the prose when his colleagues and editor convinced him it would sell better and generate more discussion if he did.

To make his point forcefully, Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information.

"I know I'm going to get yelled at a lot with this book," he said. "But when you say something big and new, you're going to get yelled at."
Posted by: .com || 11/18/2006 00:45 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [271 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Another thing liberals don't consider is how tax cuts favor "The Rich". That's because if you're making less than $40k or so, you don't pay enough taxes to stick in your ear, so I guess by default they favor "The Rich" because you can't give back what you don't take.
Posted by: gorb || 11/18/2006 0:59 Comments || Top||

#2  And it's not even because conservatives are more able to afford to be generous because they have greedily stolen more wealth in the first place. POOR conservatives (like the members of the black Baptist church down the street from me) are more generous than RICH liberals (like John Kerry). This is in 'absolute' dollars, not 'percentage' of wealth or income.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/18/2006 2:21 Comments || Top||

#3  ...are more generous than RICH liberals (like John Kerry).

Heh. Howie Carr (local radio guy, Herald columnist) says about John Kerry, 'He throws quarters around like they were manhole covers'.
Posted by: Raj || 11/18/2006 8:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Liberals are generous - just with other people's money. They want the government to control "charity" so that they can control it (who it goes to etc.).
Posted by: Spot || 11/18/2006 10:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Conservatives consider charity a duty and they get personally involved to make individual contributions.

Liberals think people should be thoroughly taxed and then the planners/elite/meritocracy (them) should decide who gets what. "I gave at the office."
Posted by: KBK || 11/18/2006 10:38 Comments || Top||

#6  Dirty old money won't help. Hard core, deep, deep caring is called for. I frown 10 minutes a day over the opressed. I also watch Michael Moore movies and do appearances. That's plenty. Hell, they oughta pay me.
Posted by: Nama Hollylib || 11/18/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#7  Anybody who has to suffer through a Michael Moore money ought to be compensated somehow.
Posted by: gorb || 11/18/2006 14:45 Comments || Top||

#8  I've just gotta ask:

Where's the Master of the Obvious graphic? Needed ASAP on this article.
Posted by: BA || 11/18/2006 20:16 Comments || Top||


Condo owners lose right to smoke in own home
GOLDEN - Colorado smokers grousing about no longer being able to light up in bars should consider the plight of a couple banned by a judge from smoking in their own home. Colleen and Rodger Sauve earlier this month lost a court battle to overturn a Heritage Hills #1 Condominium Homeowners Association rule that targeted their cigarette use because the smell of burning tobacco drifted into other condos in the four-unit complex where Colleen has lived, and smoked, for more than five years.

"I don't understand how you get to change the rules in the middle of the game," Colleen Sauve said Thursday. "There has to be a limit to a homeowners association's authority, especially when this (smoking) is a lawful act."

The legal battle began after the condo association responded to a complaint from the Sauve's next- door neighbor, Penelope Boyd, about the smoke and odor she said was coming from the Sauves' condo. Boyd's daughter, Christine Shedron, said the problem is not just the smell, but her mother's sensitivity to it. "It makes her nauseated; it makes her sick," Shedron said. "The thing about this is that this is not just my mom against these people. There have been complaints from every person that has lived in that complex with the exception of one or two."
Posted by: Fred || 11/18/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [278 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Welcome to the wonderful world of the Homeowners Association. Things like this are exactly why I specified to my real estate agent that I wouldn't even consider purchasing a home where I would have to put up with one.

That being said....looks like ol' Colleen has a bigger problem than her nasty habit if she has pissed off the rest of the residents to this point. I wonder if she's one of those godawful "I gots the right to light up and to hell with you and your lungs iffen you don't likes it" smokers that just don't care who they irritate with their cigarettes. Kind of serves her right if she is.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 11/18/2006 0:45 Comments || Top||

#2  the smell of burning tobacco drifted into other condos

Sounds like they have problems with air flow. Call your neighborhood engineer to the fix the problem instead of wasting money on lawyers.
Posted by: Groluns Unineger4820 || 11/18/2006 1:13 Comments || Top||

#3  every lefy I know would be offended if you called them Purtains, but Purtains they are because they never Whine and Bitch incessantly about fireplace smoke, campfires, fireworks or smoke produced from cooking in their kitchens.

Posted by: RD || 11/18/2006 2:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Puritan
Posted by: RD || 11/18/2006 2:10 Comments || Top||

#5  RD, that's because none of them are as likely to cause your trachea to seize up like tobacco smoke.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 11/18/2006 4:46 Comments || Top||

#6  I would not consider living any where that has a "homeowners association". Under your purchase contract they are in control of your property and rights not you. C&Rs are a real pain, best to understnd them before you make that purchase.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/18/2006 5:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Swamp Blondie, I don't smoke [over 20 yrs] and tobacco smoke does not bother me anymore or less than any 'ordinary' smoke does, IE fireworks, forest fires, fireplaces, BBQ, or even my Special Blackened Grub Recipes.

Not saying that actually smoking is good for a persons health, it isn't, but most " trachea clampage" ps histeria.
Posted by: RD || 11/18/2006 7:39 Comments || Top||

#8  is hysteria

whereas most of my Lyping and ybtax is rtetarded
Posted by: RD || 11/18/2006 8:15 Comments || Top||

#9  Nice picture, though it should have the hackenkreuz behind it.
Posted by: SwissTex || 11/18/2006 10:02 Comments || Top||

#10  I'm glad it doesn't bother you, RD. But it sure sets off my asthma, and cigarette smoke does it for many other asthmatics I know.

As long as a smoker makes an effort to keep that crap away from me, and I can go to a part of the premises with clear air, I have no problem with it. Most smokers do try if you ask them to, and I appreciate that.

My mother was a chain smoker, however, and was too sadly typical of the few extremely rude smokers who loudly go off about how they have the "right" to smoke anywhere, anytime, blah blah blah....somehow I don't have the corresponding right to not use my inhaler during a public outing, or to not have my hair and clothes reek of that crap, in their self-centered view of the world.

Bringing it back to this story, she had to have pissed off even some smokers for all virtually all the residents to back a smoking ban in their own residences (I know some smokers who refuse to smoke in their own houses and go outside to do it regardless of the weather, so I know they're out there). About a quarter of the population smokes, so unless she happened to live in a place where she is the only smoker, which is highly unlikely, her behavior and attitude was bad enough to tork everyone else off.

Again, serves her right if she's that way.

In any case, don't move somewhere that has a homeowner's association if your property rights mean anything to you. If she didn't bother to read the fine print, again, serves her right...
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 11/18/2006 10:09 Comments || Top||

#11  (I know some smokers who refuse to smoke in their own houses and go outside to do it regardless of the weather, so I know they're out there).

Yeah, that's what I did. It's half the fun. Meet a lot of people that way.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/18/2006 11:01 Comments || Top||

#12  Don't know about this Homeowner Ass'n, but if C & R's need changing, there is a formal method for doing that, that generally involves an approving vote of some percentage of the owners. If that is what happened, then too bad. If not, then she may have a case ( if she decides to appeal). Like others have said, read all the documents that come with your (prospective) purchase and do it before you sign on the dotted line.
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/18/2006 12:48 Comments || Top||

#13  #7 repeated with typos.

i sed.. Not saying that actually smoking is good for a persons health, it isn't, but most " trachea clampage" ps histeria.
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Swamp Blondie, wasn't discounting your condition and or referencing the sub-set of non-smokers with compromised airways.

Those persons must insist and are responsible to make sure they have fresh unpolluted air to breathe.

and certainly I recognize that there are chain smokers who are insufferable but most folks like you said are courteous and will abide your wishes when it comes to their habits.

~~~~~~

Pop Quiz: HEY.. how 'bout you pot smokers out there lurking and toking away..are you offended by that evil nicotine weed too?

>::
Posted by: RD || 11/18/2006 13:32 Comments || Top||

#14  just don't mess with my beans vato!
Posted by: Juan Valdez || 11/18/2006 13:36 Comments || Top||

#15  Dude smoking nicotine weed was a favorite ritual for the American Indians, they rolled up huge blunts and smoked them in big ass pipes.

It was bad medicine for them though, they lost a whole country.
Posted by: Cheech || 11/18/2006 13:50 Comments || Top||



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